Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

You have this backward.

QUOTE="Billo_Really, post: 22122828, member: 2873"]
No. Israel lost those lands in the 1948 defensive war started when five Arab armies with absolutely no rights to any of that territory invaded and captured it. It was liberated in 1967 and returned to its rightful sovereign.

Of all the States which existed in 1948, ONLY Israel had sovereign possession of that territory. By law.
Those Arab armies went in with the intention of restoring the rule of law.

What did I tell you about moving the goal posts?
(COMMENT)

The 1948 invasion (of the UN Trusteeship and the newly formed State of Israel) was Article 2(7) Chapter I, UN Charter; which was the Rule of Law.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter, but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

In this case, the Israel War of Independence was instigated by the Arab League, they made a conspiratorial and coordinated attack with impacted the "domestic jurisdiction" of the new state and the reaction fit the requirements of "self-defense."

Additionally, the conspiratorial and coordinated attack was executed in order to stop the implementation of the outine in the Resolution of 29 November 1948 • A/RES/181(II) • the establishment of the proposed Jewish State (Part II • Boundaries -- Paragraph B • Jewish State) and the execution of Jewish Self-Determination. In doing so, the Arab League conspired to intentionally violate The Purpose and Principles of the UN Charter.

Chapter I • Purpose and Principles said:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

And this is only the thumbnail view. But it is important to understand the attempt to manufacture an excuse to alibi schemes to accomplish some end, in the criminal realm:

◈ Intended to harm the sovereignty of a state and constitute solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute a grave collective danger, to the people forming that state.

◈ Actively advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government.

◈ The active use of foreign intervention and foreign military force to overcome a UN sanctioned operation under the administration of the UN Palestine Commission.​

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel was not attacked in 1948.

Israel was attacked by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq. At least Billo Really has a grasp on reality when he says they came to restore international law or protect the Palestinians, however wrong that analysis may be. But to say Israel wasn't attacked might earn you a room in a mental institution, frankly.[/QUOTE]
Ignore BillyGoat; he will never give in to facts.
 
[There goes Billo's talking point :) ]

Palestinians love to talk about how Israel attacks their poor Gaza fishing boats when they stray outside the areas they are allowed to be.

But Egypt does the same thing and no one talks about it.

Yesterday, Egypt abducted four Gaza fishermen who floated into its territory and put them under arrest.

The fishermen's captain, Nizar Ayyash, said: "The Egyptian boats surrounded a fishing boat in the sea off of Rafah, and arrested on board four fishermen."

No human rights groups have commented. Nor will they.

(full article online)

Egyptians also attack boats from Gaza. Don't tell anyone! ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
 
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

You have this backward.

QUOTE="Billo_Really, post: 22122828, member: 2873"]
No. Israel lost those lands in the 1948 defensive war started when five Arab armies with absolutely no rights to any of that territory invaded and captured it. It was liberated in 1967 and returned to its rightful sovereign.

Of all the States which existed in 1948, ONLY Israel had sovereign possession of that territory. By law.
Those Arab armies went in with the intention of restoring the rule of law.

What did I tell you about moving the goal posts?
(COMMENT)

The 1948 invasion (of the UN Trusteeship and the newly formed State of Israel) was Article 2(7) Chapter I, UN Charter; which was the Rule of Law.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter, but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

In this case, the Israel War of Independence was instigated by the Arab League, they made a conspiratorial and coordinated attack with impacted the "domestic jurisdiction" of the new state and the reaction fit the requirements of "self-defense."

Additionally, the conspiratorial and coordinated attack was executed in order to stop the implementation of the outine in the Resolution of 29 November 1948 • A/RES/181(II) • the establishment of the proposed Jewish State (Part II • Boundaries -- Paragraph B • Jewish State) and the execution of Jewish Self-Determination. In doing so, the Arab League conspired to intentionally violate The Purpose and Principles of the UN Charter.

Chapter I • Purpose and Principles said:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

And this is only the thumbnail view. But it is important to understand the attempt to manufacture an excuse to alibi schemes to accomplish some end, in the criminal realm:

◈ Intended to harm the sovereignty of a state and constitute solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute a grave collective danger, to the people forming that state.

◈ Actively advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government.

◈ The active use of foreign intervention and foreign military force to overcome a UN sanctioned operation under the administration of the UN Palestine Commission.​

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel was not attacked in 1948.

Israel was attacked by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq. At least Billo Really has a grasp on reality when he says they came to restore international law or protect the Palestinians, however wrong that analysis may be. But to say Israel wasn't attacked might earn you a room in a mental institution, frankly.[/QUOTE]
If you believe Israel's bullshit talking point, why don't you post a 1948 map of Israel and show where it was entered?

That's a good boy.
 
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

You have this backward.

QUOTE="Billo_Really, post: 22122828, member: 2873"]
No. Israel lost those lands in the 1948 defensive war started when five Arab armies with absolutely no rights to any of that territory invaded and captured it. It was liberated in 1967 and returned to its rightful sovereign.

Of all the States which existed in 1948, ONLY Israel had sovereign possession of that territory. By law.
Those Arab armies went in with the intention of restoring the rule of law.

What did I tell you about moving the goal posts?
(COMMENT)

The 1948 invasion (of the UN Trusteeship and the newly formed State of Israel) was Article 2(7) Chapter I, UN Charter; which was the Rule of Law.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter, but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

In this case, the Israel War of Independence was instigated by the Arab League, they made a conspiratorial and coordinated attack with impacted the "domestic jurisdiction" of the new state and the reaction fit the requirements of "self-defense."

Additionally, the conspiratorial and coordinated attack was executed in order to stop the implementation of the outine in the Resolution of 29 November 1948 • A/RES/181(II) • the establishment of the proposed Jewish State (Part II • Boundaries -- Paragraph B • Jewish State) and the execution of Jewish Self-Determination. In doing so, the Arab League conspired to intentionally violate The Purpose and Principles of the UN Charter.

Chapter I • Purpose and Principles said:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

And this is only the thumbnail view. But it is important to understand the attempt to manufacture an excuse to alibi schemes to accomplish some end, in the criminal realm:

◈ Intended to harm the sovereignty of a state and constitute solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute a grave collective danger, to the people forming that state.

◈ Actively advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government.

◈ The active use of foreign intervention and foreign military force to overcome a UN sanctioned operation under the administration of the UN Palestine Commission.​

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel was not attacked in 1948.

Israel was attacked by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq. At least Billo Really has a grasp on reality when he says they came to restore international law or protect the Palestinians, however wrong that analysis may be. But to say Israel wasn't attacked might earn you a room in a mental institution, frankly.
Ignore BillyGoat; he will never give in to facts.[/QUOTE]
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

You have this backward.

QUOTE="Billo_Really, post: 22122828, member: 2873"]
No. Israel lost those lands in the 1948 defensive war started when five Arab armies with absolutely no rights to any of that territory invaded and captured it. It was liberated in 1967 and returned to its rightful sovereign.

Of all the States which existed in 1948, ONLY Israel had sovereign possession of that territory. By law.
Those Arab armies went in with the intention of restoring the rule of law.

What did I tell you about moving the goal posts?
(COMMENT)

The 1948 invasion (of the UN Trusteeship and the newly formed State of Israel) was Article 2(7) Chapter I, UN Charter; which was the Rule of Law.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter, but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

In this case, the Israel War of Independence was instigated by the Arab League, they made a conspiratorial and coordinated attack with impacted the "domestic jurisdiction" of the new state and the reaction fit the requirements of "self-defense."

Additionally, the conspiratorial and coordinated attack was executed in order to stop the implementation of the outine in the Resolution of 29 November 1948 • A/RES/181(II) • the establishment of the proposed Jewish State (Part II • Boundaries -- Paragraph B • Jewish State) and the execution of Jewish Self-Determination. In doing so, the Arab League conspired to intentionally violate The Purpose and Principles of the UN Charter.

Chapter I • Purpose and Principles said:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

And this is only the thumbnail view. But it is important to understand the attempt to manufacture an excuse to alibi schemes to accomplish some end, in the criminal realm:

◈ Intended to harm the sovereignty of a state and constitute solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute a grave collective danger, to the people forming that state.

◈ Actively advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government.

◈ The active use of foreign intervention and foreign military force to overcome a UN sanctioned operation under the administration of the UN Palestine Commission.​

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel was not attacked in 1948.

Israel was attacked by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq. At least Billo Really has a grasp on reality when he says they came to restore international law or protect the Palestinians, however wrong that analysis may be. But to say Israel wasn't attacked might earn you a room in a mental institution, frankly.
Ignore BillyGoat; he will never give in to facts.[/QUOTE]

BillyGoat says that Israel was attacked but the attack was justified (though I don't agree, of course). Tinmore says that Israel was never attacked at all. My point was: Who has the better grasp on reality? In this case, it's BillyGoat. At least he admits that an attack on Israel took place.
 
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

You have this backward.

QUOTE="Billo_Really, post: 22122828, member: 2873"]
No. Israel lost those lands in the 1948 defensive war started when five Arab armies with absolutely no rights to any of that territory invaded and captured it. It was liberated in 1967 and returned to its rightful sovereign.

Of all the States which existed in 1948, ONLY Israel had sovereign possession of that territory. By law.
Those Arab armies went in with the intention of restoring the rule of law.

What did I tell you about moving the goal posts?
(COMMENT)

The 1948 invasion (of the UN Trusteeship and the newly formed State of Israel) was Article 2(7) Chapter I, UN Charter; which was the Rule of Law.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter, but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

In this case, the Israel War of Independence was instigated by the Arab League, they made a conspiratorial and coordinated attack with impacted the "domestic jurisdiction" of the new state and the reaction fit the requirements of "self-defense."

Additionally, the conspiratorial and coordinated attack was executed in order to stop the implementation of the outine in the Resolution of 29 November 1948 • A/RES/181(II) • the establishment of the proposed Jewish State (Part II • Boundaries -- Paragraph B • Jewish State) and the execution of Jewish Self-Determination. In doing so, the Arab League conspired to intentionally violate The Purpose and Principles of the UN Charter.

Chapter I • Purpose and Principles said:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

And this is only the thumbnail view. But it is important to understand the attempt to manufacture an excuse to alibi schemes to accomplish some end, in the criminal realm:

◈ Intended to harm the sovereignty of a state and constitute solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute a grave collective danger, to the people forming that state.

◈ Actively advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government.

◈ The active use of foreign intervention and foreign military force to overcome a UN sanctioned operation under the administration of the UN Palestine Commission.​

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel was not attacked in 1948.

Israel was attacked by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq. At least Billo Really has a grasp on reality when he says they came to restore international law or protect the Palestinians, however wrong that analysis may be. But to say Israel wasn't attacked might earn you a room in a mental institution, frankly.
Ignore BillyGoat; he will never give in to facts.
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

You have this backward.

QUOTE="Billo_Really, post: 22122828, member: 2873"]
No. Israel lost those lands in the 1948 defensive war started when five Arab armies with absolutely no rights to any of that territory invaded and captured it. It was liberated in 1967 and returned to its rightful sovereign.

Of all the States which existed in 1948, ONLY Israel had sovereign possession of that territory. By law.
Those Arab armies went in with the intention of restoring the rule of law.

What did I tell you about moving the goal posts?
(COMMENT)

The 1948 invasion (of the UN Trusteeship and the newly formed State of Israel) was Article 2(7) Chapter I, UN Charter; which was the Rule of Law.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter, but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

In this case, the Israel War of Independence was instigated by the Arab League, they made a conspiratorial and coordinated attack with impacted the "domestic jurisdiction" of the new state and the reaction fit the requirements of "self-defense."

Additionally, the conspiratorial and coordinated attack was executed in order to stop the implementation of the outine in the Resolution of 29 November 1948 • A/RES/181(II) • the establishment of the proposed Jewish State (Part II • Boundaries -- Paragraph B • Jewish State) and the execution of Jewish Self-Determination. In doing so, the Arab League conspired to intentionally violate The Purpose and Principles of the UN Charter.

Chapter I • Purpose and Principles said:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

And this is only the thumbnail view. But it is important to understand the attempt to manufacture an excuse to alibi schemes to accomplish some end, in the criminal realm:

◈ Intended to harm the sovereignty of a state and constitute solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute a grave collective danger, to the people forming that state.

◈ Actively advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government.

◈ The active use of foreign intervention and foreign military force to overcome a UN sanctioned operation under the administration of the UN Palestine Commission.​

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel was not attacked in 1948.

Israel was attacked by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq. At least Billo Really has a grasp on reality when he says they came to restore international law or protect the Palestinians, however wrong that analysis may be. But to say Israel wasn't attacked might earn you a room in a mental institution, frankly.
Ignore BillyGoat; he will never give in to facts.[/QUOTE]

BillyGoat says that Israel was attacked but the attack was justified (though I don't agree, of course). Tinmore says that Israel was never attacked at all. My point was: Who has the better grasp on reality? In this case, it's BillyGoat. At least he admits that an attack on Israel took place.[/QUOTE]
The Arab armies entered Palestine and fought Israel forces in Palestine but there was no attack on Israel.
 
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ Billo_Really, et al,

You have this backward.

QUOTE="Billo_Really, post: 22122828, member: 2873"]
No. Israel lost those lands in the 1948 defensive war started when five Arab armies with absolutely no rights to any of that territory invaded and captured it. It was liberated in 1967 and returned to its rightful sovereign.

Of all the States which existed in 1948, ONLY Israel had sovereign possession of that territory. By law.
Those Arab armies went in with the intention of restoring the rule of law.

What did I tell you about moving the goal posts?
(COMMENT)

The 1948 invasion (of the UN Trusteeship and the newly formed State of Israel) was Article 2(7) Chapter I, UN Charter; which was the Rule of Law.

Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter, but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter VII.

In this case, the Israel War of Independence was instigated by the Arab League, they made a conspiratorial and coordinated attack with impacted the "domestic jurisdiction" of the new state and the reaction fit the requirements of "self-defense."

Additionally, the conspiratorial and coordinated attack was executed in order to stop the implementation of the outine in the Resolution of 29 November 1948 • A/RES/181(II) • the establishment of the proposed Jewish State (Part II • Boundaries -- Paragraph B • Jewish State) and the execution of Jewish Self-Determination. In doing so, the Arab League conspired to intentionally violate The Purpose and Principles of the UN Charter.

Chapter I • Purpose and Principles said:
To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;

And this is only the thumbnail view. But it is important to understand the attempt to manufacture an excuse to alibi schemes to accomplish some end, in the criminal realm:

◈ Intended to harm the sovereignty of a state and constitute solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute a grave collective danger, to the people forming that state.

◈ Actively advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government.

◈ The active use of foreign intervention and foreign military force to overcome a UN sanctioned operation under the administration of the UN Palestine Commission.​

Most Respectfully,
R
Israel was not attacked in 1948

Israel was attacked by the armies of Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq. At least Billo Really has a grasp on reality when he says they came to restore international law or protect the Palestinians, however wrong that analysis may be. But to say Israel wasn't attacked might earn you a room in a mental institution, frankly.
If you believe Israel's bullshit talking point, why don't you post a 1948 map of Israel and show where it was entered?

That's a good boy.

You wrote in post 2716 that Israel was not attacked. Now you acknowledge that Israel was attacked.

That's a good (befuddled) boy.
 
The Arab armies entered Palestine and fought Israel forces in Palestine but there was no attack on Israel.

Tinmore's claim is that Israel does not exist, therefore it is impossible to attack Israel.

But if you want to play silly word games, Tinmore, you can say that the five Arab armies attacked the Jewish Homeland of Palestine.
 
The Arab armies entered Palestine and fought Israel forces in Palestine but there was no attack on Israel.

Tinmore's claim is that Israel does not exist, therefore it is impossible to attack Israel.

But if you want to play silly word games, Tinmore, you can say that the five Arab armies attacked the Jewish Homeland of Palestine.

What nonsense! He could perhaps get a job teaching abstract philosophy somewhere. but he could never negotiate Middle East peace. If there is no place called Israel, how can there be "Israeli forces"? I guess he doesn't want to say "Jewish forces" because he doesn't want to be labeled an anti-Semite.
 
The Arab armies entered Palestine and fought Israel forces in Palestine but there was no attack on Israel.

Tinmore's claim is that Israel does not exist, therefore it is impossible to attack Israel.

But if you want to play silly word games, Tinmore, you can say that the five Arab armies attacked the Jewish Homeland of Palestine.

What nonsense! He could perhaps get a job teaching abstract philosophy somewhere. but he could never negotiate Middle East peace. If there is no place called Israel, how can there be "Israeli forces"? I guess he doesn't want to say "Jewish forces" because he doesn't want to be labeled an anti-Semite.

He should have stuck with his usual "foreign settler colonialists".
 
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You forgot to say "but it's totally fine they're Arabs"
It wasn't outlawed until after WWII.
 

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