Palestinian Peace Proposal

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."​

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm wondering if this will not be anything but helpful to both the US and interloping Arab and Persian extremist in the region.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And still no valid link supporting your claims, making them void like the space between your ears

(COMMENT)

Palestine (the State of) is parasitic by nature. It has not proven it can stand alone. The consequences of such a move will be interesting. If such a move results in the collapse of the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, what impact would that have on the people of Palestine (alla 1988)?

Most Respectfully,
R

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Because it was empty and could hardly exist back then, that is why the Ottomans invited the Jews to free the land and make it fertile. The criminals were the arab muslims that came shortly after thinking they could steal the land of the Jews, and found the new Jews were tougher than the old ones.

You are a liar.

Ottoman Palestine was 90% or more Christian and Muslim as late as 1896. Luckily, there is film documentary evidence.

Not according to the Ottomans that tried to migrate arab muslims 3 times to Palestine, and were shocked when they all moved out after 6 months.

Your film shows nothing apart from what you want it to show making it invalid. This on the other hand shows the truth and destroys your words

Jews and Arabs in Palestine to 1939

At the beginning of the century the Jews in Palestine numbered around 70,000. They were around ten percent of the population, and in Jerusalem they outnumbered the Arab Muslims and Christians. They were ruled by the Ottoman Turks, and neither they nor the Arab Muslims around them yearned much for national independence. The Jews already had a sense of independence. They thrived in communities in many of Palestine's towns, and they welcomed those few immigrant Jews who were trickling into Palestine, mostly from Europe.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."​

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

YES

Jews and Arabs in Palestine to 1939

Arab frustrations produced attacks on Jews – easier targets than the British army. In Jerusalem in 1920 five Jews were killed and eleven wounded. In response, Jews in Jerusalem organized a self-defense league. The British forbade the carrying of arms and imprisoned the group's leader. Jews set up a clandestine organization for defense, called the Haganah, which had only minor successes in 1921 when Arab attacks became more intense. In Jerusalem, attacks by Arabs attacks against Jews intensified. In Jaffa, Arabs killed forty Jews and wounded around two hundred, and the attacks on Jews spread to other towns.
The British were concerned about the hearts and minds of the Arabs across their vast holdings in the Middle East, and they responded to the unrest by trying to please the Arabs. They suspended Jewish immigration and "redefined" the Balfour Declaration. In January 1922, they named al-Hajj Amin al-Huseini permanent president and mufti (interpreter of Islamic law) of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."​

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

YES

Jews and Arabs in Palestine to 1939

Arab frustrations produced attacks on Jews – easier targets than the British army. In Jerusalem in 1920 five Jews were killed and eleven wounded. In response, Jews in Jerusalem organized a self-defense league. The British forbade the carrying of arms and imprisoned the group's leader. Jews set up a clandestine organization for defense, called the Haganah, which had only minor successes in 1921 when Arab attacks became more intense. In Jerusalem, attacks by Arabs attacks against Jews intensified. In Jaffa, Arabs killed forty Jews and wounded around two hundred, and the attacks on Jews spread to other towns.
The British were concerned about the hearts and minds of the Arabs across their vast holdings in the Middle East, and they responded to the unrest by trying to please the Arabs. They suspended Jewish immigration and "redefined" the Balfour Declaration. In January 1922, they named al-Hajj Amin al-Huseini permanent president and mufti (interpreter of Islamic law) of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council.

That was after not before. Please try to keep up.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."​

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

YES

Jews and Arabs in Palestine to 1939

Arab frustrations produced attacks on Jews – easier targets than the British army. In Jerusalem in 1920 five Jews were killed and eleven wounded. In response, Jews in Jerusalem organized a self-defense league. The British forbade the carrying of arms and imprisoned the group's leader. Jews set up a clandestine organization for defense, called the Haganah, which had only minor successes in 1921 when Arab attacks became more intense. In Jerusalem, attacks by Arabs attacks against Jews intensified. In Jaffa, Arabs killed forty Jews and wounded around two hundred, and the attacks on Jews spread to other towns.
The British were concerned about the hearts and minds of the Arabs across their vast holdings in the Middle East, and they responded to the unrest by trying to please the Arabs. They suspended Jewish immigration and "redefined" the Balfour Declaration. In January 1922, they named al-Hajj Amin al-Huseini permanent president and mufti (interpreter of Islamic law) of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council.

That was after not before. Please try to keep up.

After what exactly as you did not stipulate a cut off date, as my link shows the arab muslims attacked and murdered Jews as recorded by the mandatory in 1920. This was before the migration of Zionist Jews some years later

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."​

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

YES

Jews and Arabs in Palestine to 1939

Arab frustrations produced attacks on Jews – easier targets than the British army. In Jerusalem in 1920 five Jews were killed and eleven wounded. In response, Jews in Jerusalem organized a self-defense league. The British forbade the carrying of arms and imprisoned the group's leader. Jews set up a clandestine organization for defense, called the Haganah, which had only minor successes in 1921 when Arab attacks became more intense. In Jerusalem, attacks by Arabs attacks against Jews intensified. In Jaffa, Arabs killed forty Jews and wounded around two hundred, and the attacks on Jews spread to other towns.
The British were concerned about the hearts and minds of the Arabs across their vast holdings in the Middle East, and they responded to the unrest by trying to please the Arabs. They suspended Jewish immigration and "redefined" the Balfour Declaration. In January 1922, they named al-Hajj Amin al-Huseini permanent president and mufti (interpreter of Islamic law) of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council.

That was after not before. Please try to keep up.

After what exactly as you did not stipulate a cut off date, as my link shows the arab muslims attacked and murdered Jews as recorded by the mandatory in 1920. This was before the migration of Zionist Jews some years later

You are late.

 

[Kondor3]

...You forget that the land was given to the Jews while the arab muslims received trans Jordan. That is the only partition that was legal. Now if you push this islamonazi propaganda then all the nations in the M.E. are also illegal as they were created under the same mandate laws.

True...

Which raises the question...

"Why are Arabs still occupying the West Bank and Gaza?"

These occupiers need to leave Israeli territory.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I wrote my response based on your comment of Posting # 310.

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

(COMMENT)

The behaviors are what they are.

• Alliance and support to the enemy Central Power - Ottoman Empire.
• Riots against Jewish Immigrants.
• The Establishment of the Black Hand.
• Terrorist Attacks.
• Alliance and support to the enemy Axis Powers - Germany.
• Formation of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army under former enemy officers.

These are just examples of the behaviors to be considered when looking at the progression of consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

​

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."​

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

YES

Jews and Arabs in Palestine to 1939

Arab frustrations produced attacks on Jews – easier targets than the British army. In Jerusalem in 1920 five Jews were killed and eleven wounded. In response, Jews in Jerusalem organized a self-defense league. The British forbade the carrying of arms and imprisoned the group's leader. Jews set up a clandestine organization for defense, called the Haganah, which had only minor successes in 1921 when Arab attacks became more intense. In Jerusalem, attacks by Arabs attacks against Jews intensified. In Jaffa, Arabs killed forty Jews and wounded around two hundred, and the attacks on Jews spread to other towns.
The British were concerned about the hearts and minds of the Arabs across their vast holdings in the Middle East, and they responded to the unrest by trying to please the Arabs. They suspended Jewish immigration and "redefined" the Balfour Declaration. In January 1922, they named al-Hajj Amin al-Huseini permanent president and mufti (interpreter of Islamic law) of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council.

That was after not before. Please try to keep up.

After what exactly as you did not stipulate a cut off date, as my link shows the arab muslims attacked and murdered Jews as recorded by the mandatory in 1920. This was before the migration of Zionist Jews some years later

You are late.

Last time I looked 1920 was earlier than 1939

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I wrote my response based on your comment of Posting # 310.

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

(COMMENT)

The behaviors are what they are.

• Alliance and support to the enemy Central Power - Ottoman Empire.
• Riots against Jewish Immigrants.
• The Establishment of the Black Hand.
• Terrorist Attacks.
• Alliance and support to the enemy Axis Powers - Germany.
• Formation of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army under former enemy officers.

These are just examples of the behaviors to be considered when looking at the progression of consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

How much of this was not a response to the Zionists?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I wrote my response based on your comment of Posting # 310.

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

(COMMENT)

The behaviors are what they are.

• Alliance and support to the enemy Central Power - Ottoman Empire.
• Riots against Jewish Immigrants.
• The Establishment of the Black Hand.
• Terrorist Attacks.
• Alliance and support to the enemy Axis Powers - Germany.
• Formation of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army under former enemy officers.

These are just examples of the behaviors to be considered when looking at the progression of consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

How much of this was not a response to the Zionists?

None of it and you cant produce a link claiming that it was all down to the zionists

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration...​

The Zionists were not invited. They lobbied to be allowed to go to Palestine.

There was no "immigration." Immigration is going to a country to be a part of that country. The settlers were not imported to be a part of Palestine. They lived separate lives and were imported to populate a planned Jewish state in Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I wrote my response based on your comment of Posting # 310.

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

(COMMENT)

The behaviors are what they are.

• Alliance and support to the enemy Central Power - Ottoman Empire.
• Riots against Jewish Immigrants.
• The Establishment of the Black Hand.
• Terrorist Attacks.
• Alliance and support to the enemy Axis Powers - Germany.
• Formation of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army under former enemy officers.

These are just examples of the behaviors to be considered when looking at the progression of consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

How much of this was not a response to the Zionists?

None of it and you cant produce a link claiming that it was all down to the zionists

Look at the facts.

If it was not for the Zionists there would not have been a Black Hand. There would be no PLO, no Fatah, no PFLP, no Hamas, and no Islamic Jihad.

Everything that all of those people did would not have happened.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration...​

The Zionists were not invited. They lobbied to be allowed to go to Palestine.

There was no "immigration." Immigration is going to a country to be a part of that country. The settlers were not imported to be a part of Palestine. They lived separate lives and were imported to populate a planned Jewish state in Palestine.

There was no country to be part of. Arabs did not have sovereignty over ANY of the land.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I wrote my response based on your comment of Posting # 310.

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

(COMMENT)

The behaviors are what they are.

• Alliance and support to the enemy Central Power - Ottoman Empire.
• Riots against Jewish Immigrants.
• The Establishment of the Black Hand.
• Terrorist Attacks.
• Alliance and support to the enemy Axis Powers - Germany.
• Formation of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army under former enemy officers.

These are just examples of the behaviors to be considered when looking at the progression of consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

How much of this was not a response to the Zionists?

None of it and you cant produce a link claiming that it was all down to the zionists

Look at the facts.

If it was not for the Zionists there would not have been a Black Hand. There would be no PLO, no Fatah, no PFLP, no Hamas, and no Islamic Jihad.

Everything that all of those people did would not have happened.

That's a REALLY big if.

Here's another way to look at it. If the Arabs weren't such hateful bloodthirsty Jew haters, there would not be so much of a problem.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration...​

The Zionists were not invited. They lobbied to be allowed to go to Palestine.

There was no "immigration." Immigration is going to a country to be a part of that country. The settlers were not imported to be a part of Palestine. They lived separate lives and were imported to populate a planned Jewish state in Palestine.

Read the Mandate of Palestine and see where you are sadly wrong

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I wrote my response based on your comment of Posting # 310.

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

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The behaviors are what they are.

• Alliance and support to the enemy Central Power - Ottoman Empire.
• Riots against Jewish Immigrants.
• The Establishment of the Black Hand.
• Terrorist Attacks.
• Alliance and support to the enemy Axis Powers - Germany.
• Formation of the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army under former enemy officers.

These are just examples of the behaviors to be considered when looking at the progression of consequences.

Most Respectfully,
R

How much of this was not a response to the Zionists?

None of it and you cant produce a link claiming that it was all down to the zionists

Look at the facts.

If it was not for the Zionists there would not have been a Black Hand. There would be no PLO, no Fatah, no PFLP, no Hamas, and no Islamic Jihad.

Everything that all of those people did would not have happened.

How can you say that without any proof, as they could have existed under different names. The Zionists are not to blame for all the problems in Palestine, but the arab muslims are to blame for most of them

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, let's examine these questions.

How much of this was not a response to the Zionists?

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The issue here is: response. The Jewish people immigrated both lawfully and peacefully.

None of it was in response to Article 4 immigrant violence on the part of the Jewish. It started because the Jewish were organized and productive --- Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

The Zionists were not invited. They lobbied to be allowed to go to Palestine.

There was no "immigration." Immigration is going to a country to be a part of that country. The settlers were not imported to be a part of Palestine. They lived separate lives and were imported to populate a planned Jewish state in Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Immigrants came to the territory under Mandate according to Article 6: "Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage." And yes, a fragment of what you said is true: with the intend to execute the Balfour Declaration as stated in the Mandate --- "in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people."

(i) The High Commissioner shall confer upon all matters relating to the regulation of immigration with a Committee consisting of not less than one-half of the unofficial members of the Legislative Council, and provision shall be made by Order in Council for investing the said Committee with all such powers and authorities and otherwise for the constitution and conduct of the business of the said Committee, as may be necessary to carry this Article into effect.

(ii) In the event of any difference of opinion between the High Commissioner and the said Committee upon any such matter as aforesaid, the High Commissioner shall make a full report on the subject to a Secretary of State, whose decision thereon shall be final.
SOURCE: Palestine Order in Council

The decision to facilitate IMMIGRATION was a decision made by the Allied Powers in San Remo (1920). It was a decision made with a clear understanding of the intent behind Article 22 in the Covenant; and the understanding to the grounds for reconstituting their national home.

All the decisions made --- relative to "immigration matters" --- were not in the hands of the Arab Palestinian or the Jewish People. Matters related to immigration rested entirely upon the shoulders of the High Commissioner and the Mandatory (HM's Secretary of State).

Look at the facts.

If it was not for the Zionists there would not have been a Black Hand. There would be no PLO, no Fatah, no PFLP, no Hamas, and no Islamic Jihad.

Everything that all of those people did would not have happened.

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If it were not for the Arab Palestinians ability to rationally accept the decision of the Allied Powers, and help the Territorial Mandate to properly extend a helping hand for those that came; "Arab State and Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories."
- See more at: Faisal-Weizmann agreement Non-UN document 3 January 1919

The Ottoman Empire did not surrender the territory to which the Mandate applied to any Hostile Arab Palestinians --- NOT:

• Abdullah Azzam Brigades
• Abu Ali Mustapha Brigades
• Abu Nidal Organization
• Al-'Asifah
• Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
• Al-Nasser Salah al-Deen Brigades
• Al-Quds Brigades
• Arab Liberation Front
• Arab Palestine Organization
• Army of Islam (Gaza Strip)
• Army of the Holy War
• As-Sa'iqa
• Black Hand (Mandatory Palestine)
• Black September Organization
• Fatah
• Fatah al-Intifada
• Fatah Hawks
• Fatah Special Operations Group
• Force 14
• Force 17
• Hamas
• Holy Jihad Brigades
• Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine
• Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades
• Palestine Liberation Army
• Palestine Liberation Front
• Palestinian National and Islamic Forces
• Palestinian National Salvation Front
• Palestinian Popular Struggle Front
• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – External Operations
• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command
• Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – Special Command
• Popular Resistance Committees
• Popular Revolutionary Front for the Liberation of Palestine

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Certainly none of these organization represented any legitimate authority over such matters in the territory.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

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You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration...​

The Zionists were not invited. They lobbied to be allowed to go to Palestine.

There was no "immigration." Immigration is going to a country to be a part of that country. The settlers were not imported to be a part of Palestine. They lived separate lives and were imported to populate a planned Jewish state in Palestine.

"The Zionists were not invited."

Yes, they were.

 

[Kondor3]

...There was no "immigration." Immigration is going to a country to be a part of that country. The settlers were not imported to be a part of Palestine. They lived separate lives and were imported to populate a planned Jewish state in Palestine.

Trouble with that premise is, there was no 'Palestine' to be a part of; at least nothing beyond the regional descriptive label; no autonomous people nor government; no nufin'.