Palestinian Peace Proposal

[Phoenall]

Sorry to interrupt the same ole history feud here. But I have a serious question about the OP..

From the link..
At a special meeting in Gaza on Thursday held on the occasion of Nakba Day, the Palestinian parliament stated that the entire "land of Palestine" is an Islamic endowment, and the Jews have no right to even a single inch of it.

Nakba Day is the day on which Arabs mourn what they view as the "disaster" of the founding of the State of Israel in 1948. It is marked on May 14, the day in 1948 on which Israel became a state.

The parliament also stressed that the "right of return" is a sacred collective and private right and cannot be given up, and added that the Palestinians will never agree to the settlement of the so-called "Palestinian refugees" outside the territory of "Palestine" nor will they ever agree to recognize Israel.

I think this is largely inflammatory BS.. The Pali Parliarment has been pretty much AWOL since the Hamas-Fatah war.. And I'm not aware that it meets in GAZA. (not even sure if it meets at all anymore).. I'm CERTAIN that this sounds just like Hamas dogma. Certainly not that of the Abbas led faction.

And it truly seems that a radio site cheering on Armageddon just might want to mix shit up on purpose. Carry on with ancient history.

The FUTURE resides in Palestine and Israel realizing that peace and prosperity lies in SHARED investment in security and trade and socio-economic cooperation.. Hamas can go to hell. Under current MidEast conditions, An independent Palestine would last about a month before the ISIS flag was flying. Really need to get both sides to mutually recognize their precarious position and agree to mutual defense.

The 'right of return' is why Abbas does not want refugees in Syria to get safe passage to the WB. He would rather see them die than move to the WB. A bit like Arafat not wanted refugee to leave Tel Zaatar. He ordered them shot rather than leave.

Abbas is a competent leader, he knows he needs a functional govt before he can get all liberal with an "immigration policy". They are currently lacking a viable govt to represent the claims of the "valid" Palestinians.

The election of Hamas as a governing body has hurt the Palestinians by dividing them into opposing factions killing their own people in record numbers.

They aren't killing their own people. They are killing US proxy forces.

Not all, in fact very few are anything but civilians

 

[Phoenall]

The 'right of return' is why Abbas does not want refugees in Syria to get safe passage to the WB. He would rather see them die than move to the WB. A bit like Arafat not wanted refugee to leave Tel Zaatar. He ordered them shot rather than leave.

Abbas is a competent leader, he knows he needs a functional govt before he can get all liberal with an "immigration policy". They are currently lacking a viable govt to represent the claims of the "valid" Palestinians.

The election of Hamas as a governing body has hurt the Palestinians by dividing them into opposing factions killing their own people in record numbers.

They aren't killing their own people. They are killing US proxy forces.

Link ?

dayton forces gaza - Google Search

Hardly valid links are they as the only one halfway trustworthy is from 2004.

 

[Phoenall]

The election of Hamas as a governing body has hurt the Palestinians by dividing them into opposing factions killing their own people in record numbers.

They aren't killing their own people. They are killing US proxy forces.

Link ?

dayton forces gaza - Google Search

Where is the link that says that the people that Hamas recently assassinated were U.S proxy forces? It's a very simple question.

Bush Support for “Regime Change” in the PA

It’s no secret that the Bush administration has been funneling money to Palestinian militias that are preparing to overthrow Hamas. On Monday, Condoleezza Rice announced that the US would resume “full assistance to the Palestinian government” and end the year long boycott to the people in the West Bank. The new aid—which could amount to as much as $86 million---will be used to shore up the PA security apparatus and pay the salaries of officials in the “emergency government.” The uncovering of the CIA documents in Gaza will cast a cloud over the administration’s largesse and make Abbas look like a Palestinian Karzai who gets financial treats from Washington to follow their diktats.

Yesterday, Condoleezza Rice was given the task of outlining the administration’s new policy vis-à-vis the Abbas’ “emergency government”. The Bush team had already decided the night before that they would throw their full support behind Abbas and his “unelected” clatter of pro-western stooges.

The CIA and Fatah spies quislings and the Palestinian Authority ​

at least 6 years since Bush had any say, you are clutching at straws again

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

"Dayton Forces???" I assume you mean the composite team (a joint, international, and interagency team) made up of Canadians, British, and a Turkish personnel (including Americans of course) --- sent to the Middle East to assist in the organization and operational performance of the Palestinian Authority's security forces.

Your information is very dated. The first Coordinator was LTG Kip Ward; replaced by LTG Dayton as the US Security Coordinator for Israel-Palestinian Authority until October 2010, when LTG Lieutenant General Robert Moeller took-over for two years --- followed by Vice Admiral Paul J. Bushong is the Coordinator.

The election of Hamas as a governing body has hurt the Palestinians by dividing them into opposing factions killing their own people in record numbers.

They aren't killing their own people. They are killing US proxy forces.

Link ?

dayton forces gaza - Google Search

(COMMENT)

The United States Security Coordinator (USSC) trains the Presidential Guard (PAPG), Palestinian Authority Security Forces (PASF) and the Palestinian National Security Forces (NSF).

The USSC mission (briefed to Congress in 2013) takes a three-pillar approach:

• First, we assist the Palestinian Authority to professionalize their security forces.
• Next, we engage with the Israelis & Palestinians on security initiatives that build trust and confidence.
• Finally, we support other US and international whole-of-government efforts.​

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction. It is not a US proxy militia force, and it was never a force operationally under the Command of LTG Dayton, his predecessor, or any of the replacements.

Most Respectfully,
R

I use the term Dayton forces the way most people use Kleenex to mean a tissue of any brand. Of course there were lesser people involved but their names would be unrecognizable. So don't go around pointing at every excuse to dismiss my post.

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction.​

That is what the liars will tell you. Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation. They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians.

When Israel kidnapped over 30 members of parliament and cabinet ministers, these security forces were nowhere to be found. The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern.

There are problems, however, with the way they carry out their "duties." They spy on people without court issued warrants. They arrest people who have violated no law and without court issued warrants. They hold people without charge, trial, or legal representation. They torture people and several have been tortured to death.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And still no valid link supporting your claims, making them void like the space between your ears

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

"Dayton Forces???" I assume you mean the composite team (a joint, international, and interagency team) made up of Canadians, British, and a Turkish personnel (including Americans of course) --- sent to the Middle East to assist in the organization and operational performance of the Palestinian Authority's security forces.

Your information is very dated. The first Coordinator was LTG Kip Ward; replaced by LTG Dayton as the US Security Coordinator for Israel-Palestinian Authority until October 2010, when LTG Lieutenant General Robert Moeller took-over for two years --- followed by Vice Admiral Paul J. Bushong is the Coordinator.

dayton forces gaza - Google Search

(COMMENT)

The United States Security Coordinator (USSC) trains the Presidential Guard (PAPG), Palestinian Authority Security Forces (PASF) and the Palestinian National Security Forces (NSF).

The USSC mission (briefed to Congress in 2013) takes a three-pillar approach:

• First, we assist the Palestinian Authority to professionalize their security forces.
• Next, we engage with the Israelis & Palestinians on security initiatives that build trust and confidence.
• Finally, we support other US and international whole-of-government efforts.​

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction. It is not a US proxy militia force, and it was never a force operationally under the Command of LTG Dayton, his predecessor, or any of the replacements.

Most Respectfully,
R

I use the term Dayton forces the way most people use Kleenex to mean a tissue of any brand. Of course there were lesser people involved but their names would be unrecognizable. So don't go around pointing at every excuse to dismiss my post.

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction.​

That is what the liars will tell you. Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation. They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians.

When Israel kidnapped over 30 members of parliament and cabinet ministers, these security forces were nowhere to be found. The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern.

There are problems, however, with the way they carry out their "duties." They spy on people without court issued warrants. They arrest people who have violated no law and without court issued warrants. They hold people without charge, trial, or legal representation. They torture people and several have been tortured to death.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

"Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation"

Still peddling that 'resistance' garbage, now are you? Show me some specific examples of Hamas 'resisting' .

"The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern."
This describes Hamas very well. They continue to attack Israel knowing very well that the only thing that will come out od it is death and destruction in Gaza

"They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians."
Again, this describes Hamas very well. Instead of building underground bomb shelters, they build tunnels for themselves only that are used to attack Israelis.
Anyone with a brain knows that Hamas wants and needs Palestinian civilian deaths in order to maintain their 'eternal victim' status.
Seriously though, ask yourself, why did they not build underground shelters for their people??

shelters would not be needed if hamas had not fired on Israel, or kick fatah out of gaza by force

Fatah lost the elections.

You must have missed that.

So that gives hamas the right to execute the losers does it ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

"Dayton Forces???" I assume you mean the composite team (a joint, international, and interagency team) made up of Canadians, British, and a Turkish personnel (including Americans of course) --- sent to the Middle East to assist in the organization and operational performance of the Palestinian Authority's security forces.

Your information is very dated. The first Coordinator was LTG Kip Ward; replaced by LTG Dayton as the US Security Coordinator for Israel-Palestinian Authority until October 2010, when LTG Lieutenant General Robert Moeller took-over for two years --- followed by Vice Admiral Paul J. Bushong is the Coordinator.

(COMMENT)

The United States Security Coordinator (USSC) trains the Presidential Guard (PAPG), Palestinian Authority Security Forces (PASF) and the Palestinian National Security Forces (NSF).

The USSC mission (briefed to Congress in 2013) takes a three-pillar approach:

• First, we assist the Palestinian Authority to professionalize their security forces.
• Next, we engage with the Israelis & Palestinians on security initiatives that build trust and confidence.
• Finally, we support other US and international whole-of-government efforts.​

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction. It is not a US proxy militia force, and it was never a force operationally under the Command of LTG Dayton, his predecessor, or any of the replacements.

Most Respectfully,
R

I use the term Dayton forces the way most people use Kleenex to mean a tissue of any brand. Of course there were lesser people involved but their names would be unrecognizable. So don't go around pointing at every excuse to dismiss my post.

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction.​

That is what the liars will tell you. Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation. They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians.

When Israel kidnapped over 30 members of parliament and cabinet ministers, these security forces were nowhere to be found. The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern.

There are problems, however, with the way they carry out their "duties." They spy on people without court issued warrants. They arrest people who have violated no law and without court issued warrants. They hold people without charge, trial, or legal representation. They torture people and several have been tortured to death.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

"Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation"

Still peddling that 'resistance' garbage, now are you? Show me some specific examples of Hamas 'resisting' .

"The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern."
This describes Hamas very well. They continue to attack Israel knowing very well that the only thing that will come out od it is death and destruction in Gaza

"They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians."
Again, this describes Hamas very well. Instead of building underground bomb shelters, they build tunnels for themselves only that are used to attack Israelis.
Anyone with a brain knows that Hamas wants and needs Palestinian civilian deaths in order to maintain their 'eternal victim' status.
Seriously though, ask yourself, why did they not build underground shelters for their people??

shelters would not be needed if hamas had not fired on Israel, or kick fatah out of gaza by force

Fatah lost the elections.

You must have missed that.

So that gives hamas the right to execute the losers does it ? ? ? ? ? ?

As for Palestinian terrorist groups killing each other, I support them. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

"Dayton Forces???" I assume you mean the composite team (a joint, international, and interagency team) made up of Canadians, British, and a Turkish personnel (including Americans of course) --- sent to the Middle East to assist in the organization and operational performance of the Palestinian Authority's security forces.

Your information is very dated. The first Coordinator was LTG Kip Ward; replaced by LTG Dayton as the US Security Coordinator for Israel-Palestinian Authority until October 2010, when LTG Lieutenant General Robert Moeller took-over for two years --- followed by Vice Admiral Paul J. Bushong is the Coordinator.

(COMMENT)

The United States Security Coordinator (USSC) trains the Presidential Guard (PAPG), Palestinian Authority Security Forces (PASF) and the Palestinian National Security Forces (NSF).

The USSC mission (briefed to Congress in 2013) takes a three-pillar approach:

• First, we assist the Palestinian Authority to professionalize their security forces.
• Next, we engage with the Israelis & Palestinians on security initiatives that build trust and confidence.
• Finally, we support other US and international whole-of-government efforts.​

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction. It is not a US proxy militia force, and it was never a force operationally under the Command of LTG Dayton, his predecessor, or any of the replacements.

Most Respectfully,
R

I use the term Dayton forces the way most people use Kleenex to mean a tissue of any brand. Of course there were lesser people involved but their names would be unrecognizable. So don't go around pointing at every excuse to dismiss my post.

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction.​

That is what the liars will tell you. Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation. They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians.

When Israel kidnapped over 30 members of parliament and cabinet ministers, these security forces were nowhere to be found. The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern.

There are problems, however, with the way they carry out their "duties." They spy on people without court issued warrants. They arrest people who have violated no law and without court issued warrants. They hold people without charge, trial, or legal representation. They torture people and several have been tortured to death.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

"Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation"

Still peddling that 'resistance' garbage, now are you? Show me some specific examples of Hamas 'resisting' .

"The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern."
This describes Hamas very well. They continue to attack Israel knowing very well that the only thing that will come out od it is death and destruction in Gaza

"They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians."
Again, this describes Hamas very well. Instead of building underground bomb shelters, they build tunnels for themselves only that are used to attack Israelis.
Anyone with a brain knows that Hamas wants and needs Palestinian civilian deaths in order to maintain their 'eternal victim' status.
Seriously though, ask yourself, why did they not build underground shelters for their people??

shelters would not be needed if hamas had not fired on Israel, or kick fatah out of gaza by force

Fatah lost the elections.

You must have missed that.

So that gives hamas the right to execute the losers does it ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

[MJB12741]

I use the term Dayton forces the way most people use Kleenex to mean a tissue of any brand. Of course there were lesser people involved but their names would be unrecognizable. So don't go around pointing at every excuse to dismiss my post.

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction.​

That is what the liars will tell you. Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation. They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians.

When Israel kidnapped over 30 members of parliament and cabinet ministers, these security forces were nowhere to be found. The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern.

There are problems, however, with the way they carry out their "duties." They spy on people without court issued warrants. They arrest people who have violated no law and without court issued warrants. They hold people without charge, trial, or legal representation. They torture people and several have been tortured to death.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

"Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation"

Still peddling that 'resistance' garbage, now are you? Show me some specific examples of Hamas 'resisting' .

"The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern."
This describes Hamas very well. They continue to attack Israel knowing very well that the only thing that will come out od it is death and destruction in Gaza

"They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians."
Again, this describes Hamas very well. Instead of building underground bomb shelters, they build tunnels for themselves only that are used to attack Israelis.
Anyone with a brain knows that Hamas wants and needs Palestinian civilian deaths in order to maintain their 'eternal victim' status.
Seriously though, ask yourself, why did they not build underground shelters for their people??

shelters would not be needed if hamas had not fired on Israel, or kick fatah out of gaza by force

Fatah lost the elections.

You must have missed that.

So that gives hamas the right to execute the losers does it ? ? ? ? ? ?

Why do you stay here & suffer in the USA with our American politics when you can go live in some Muslim country that agree with your politics?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm wondering if this will not be anything but helpful to both the US and interloping Arab and Persian extremist in the region.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And still no valid link supporting your claims, making them void like the space between your ears

(COMMENT)

Palestine (the State of) is parasitic by nature. It has not proven it can stand alone. The consequences of such a move will be interesting. If such a move results in the collapse of the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, what impact would that have on the people of Palestine (alla 1988)?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm wondering if this will not be anything but helpful to both the US and interloping Arab and Persian extremist in the region.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And still no valid link supporting your claims, making them void like the space between your ears

(COMMENT)

Palestine (the State of) is parasitic by nature. It has not proven it can stand alone. The consequences of such a move will be interesting. If such a move results in the collapse of the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, what impact would that have on the people of Palestine (alla 1988)?

Most Respectfully,
R

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

 

[Phoenall]

I use the term Dayton forces the way most people use Kleenex to mean a tissue of any brand. Of course there were lesser people involved but their names would be unrecognizable. So don't go around pointing at every excuse to dismiss my post.

This program is suppose to maintain law and order within PA Jurisdiction.​

That is what the liars will tell you. Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation. They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians.

When Israel kidnapped over 30 members of parliament and cabinet ministers, these security forces were nowhere to be found. The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern.

There are problems, however, with the way they carry out their "duties." They spy on people without court issued warrants. They arrest people who have violated no law and without court issued warrants. They hold people without charge, trial, or legal representation. They torture people and several have been tortured to death.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

"Their purpose is to trample on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or any other resistance or protest against the occupation"

Still peddling that 'resistance' garbage, now are you? Show me some specific examples of Hamas 'resisting' .

"The loss of Palestinian life or property is not their concern."
This describes Hamas very well. They continue to attack Israel knowing very well that the only thing that will come out od it is death and destruction in Gaza

"They do little or nothing to protect the Palestinians."
Again, this describes Hamas very well. Instead of building underground bomb shelters, they build tunnels for themselves only that are used to attack Israelis.
Anyone with a brain knows that Hamas wants and needs Palestinian civilian deaths in order to maintain their 'eternal victim' status.
Seriously though, ask yourself, why did they not build underground shelters for their people??

shelters would not be needed if hamas had not fired on Israel, or kick fatah out of gaza by force

Fatah lost the elections.

You must have missed that.

So that gives hamas the right to execute the losers does it ? ? ? ? ? ?

From 7 years ago so hardly up to date, try and keep up with current events

 

[flacaltenn]

Using ancient joint security agreements that were made with the PA prior to the hijacking by Hamas are a weak excuse for the brutality. There are no current such agreements to my knowledge that involve Hamas in the Gaza. And probably haven't been any for many years.

Every citizen executed in the streets by Hamas probably hates America. Maybe they hate Hamas. But it does not make them an American proxy soldier..

This split in the PA is the LARGEST reason there is no current path to peace and co-existance.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm wondering if this will not be anything but helpful to both the US and interloping Arab and Persian extremist in the region.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And still no valid link supporting your claims, making them void like the space between your ears

(COMMENT)

Palestine (the State of) is parasitic by nature. It has not proven it can stand alone. The consequences of such a move will be interesting. If such a move results in the collapse of the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, what impact would that have on the people of Palestine (alla 1988)?

Most Respectfully,
R

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Because it was empty and could hardly exist back then, that is why the Ottomans invited the Jews to free the land and make it fertile. The criminals were the arab muslims that came shortly after thinking they could steal the land of the Jews, and found the new Jews were tougher than the old ones.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I go along with this supposition.

Muslim soldiers of the Handschar Waffen SS
reading a pamphlet written by Grand Mufti of
Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini titled 'Islam
and Judaism.' They wear distinctive Handschar
tarboosh headgear, and insignias (scimitars
and swastikas) on their lapels.

Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.​

It is --- rather--- a subjective evaluation, as to who is the "criminal" and who was doing "fine."

Even before WWII, during the First World War, many Arab Leaders such as Hajj Amin al-Husseini (who later became the first President of the All Palestine Government) were aligned with enemy powers and became officers in the Army of the Ottoman Empire. Even Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (First Prime Minister of the All Palestine Government) was in the serve of the Sultan and attained the rank of a General Officer in the Ottoman Army.

Oddly enough, the Commander of the Arab Liberation Army fighting against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was General Fawzi al-Qawuqji, an Ottoman Military Academy Grad, served in WWI against the British at Beersheba, and was awarded the German Iron Cross while in the service of General Otto von Kreiss. During WWII, General al-Qawuqji was a colonel of the Wehrmacht serving with the Sonderstab F.

Similarly the co-founder and co-leader of the Army of the Holy War, Hasan Salama, which also mustered against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was a WWII Member of the German Sicherheitsdienst with service in Palestine against the British.

Yes! It is all subjective. I'm very sure that all Arab Palestinians are proud of their heritage of the 20th Century.

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

(COMMENT)

You could be a 50 year career felon and have a soul clean enough to be nominated for sainthood in comparison with these prominent Arab Palestinian.

In the beginning of the migration to the Middle East, (at the end of WWI), the Jewish people were not stealing, bombing or bulldozing productive assets. Although in recent times (nearly a century later) there is little question that the war has escalated.

Since the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, the Arab Palestinian has not been on the political right-side of any major issue in the world. Statistically, it is not likely that they are on the right side of anything today. Given the linage of the Arab Palestinian since the opening of the 20th Century, Arabs that live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. If the Grand Mufti had - had his way, you would all be speaking German and would have heard of Muslim/Islam only in an historical sense.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I go along with this supposition.

Muslim soldiers of the Handschar Waffen SS
reading a pamphlet written by Grand Mufti of
Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini titled 'Islam
and Judaism.' They wear distinctive Handschar
tarboosh headgear, and insignias (scimitars
and swastikas) on their lapels.

Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.​

It is --- rather--- a subjective evaluation, as to who is the "criminal" and who was doing "fine."

Even before WWII, during the First World War, many Arab Leaders such as Hajj Amin al-Husseini (who later became the first President of the All Palestine Government) were aligned with enemy powers and became officers in the Army of the Ottoman Empire. Even Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (First Prime Minister of the All Palestine Government) was in the serve of the Sultan and attained the rank of a General Officer in the Ottoman Army.

Oddly enough, the Commander of the Arab Liberation Army fighting against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was General Fawzi al-Qawuqji, an Ottoman Military Academy Grad, served in WWI against the British at Beersheba, and was awarded the German Iron Cross while in the service of General Otto von Kreiss. During WWII, General al-Qawuqji was a colonel of the Wehrmacht serving with the Sonderstab F.

Similarly the co-founder and co-leader of the Army of the Holy War, Hasan Salama, which also mustered against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was a WWII Member of the German Sicherheitsdienst with service in Palestine against the British.

Yes! It is all subjective. I'm very sure that all Arab Palestinians are proud of their heritage of the 20th Century.

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

(COMMENT)

You could be a 50 year career felon and have a soul clean enough to be nominated for sainthood in comparison with these prominent Arab Palestinian.

In the beginning of the migration to the Middle East, (at the end of WWI), the Jewish people were not stealing, bombing or bulldozing productive assets. Although in recent times (nearly a century later) there is little question that the war has escalated.

Since the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, the Arab Palestinian has not been on the political right-side of any major issue in the world. Statistically, it is not likely that they are on the right side of anything today. Given the linage of the Arab Palestinian since the opening of the 20th Century, Arabs that live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. If the Grand Mufti had - had his way, you would all be speaking German and would have heard of Muslim/Islam only in an historical sense.

Most Respectfully,
R

how does any pro-palestinian on this or any mixed forum not know this yet? It has to have been explained in detail at least once a month if not more.

Mufti=anti-semitic hate=holocaust=violence against jews and Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I go along with this supposition.

Muslim soldiers of the Handschar Waffen SS
reading a pamphlet written by Grand Mufti of
Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini titled 'Islam
and Judaism.' They wear distinctive Handschar
tarboosh headgear, and insignias (scimitars
and swastikas) on their lapels.

Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.​

It is --- rather--- a subjective evaluation, as to who is the "criminal" and who was doing "fine."

Even before WWII, during the First World War, many Arab Leaders such as Hajj Amin al-Husseini (who later became the first President of the All Palestine Government) were aligned with enemy powers and became officers in the Army of the Ottoman Empire. Even Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (First Prime Minister of the All Palestine Government) was in the serve of the Sultan and attained the rank of a General Officer in the Ottoman Army.

Oddly enough, the Commander of the Arab Liberation Army fighting against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was General Fawzi al-Qawuqji, an Ottoman Military Academy Grad, served in WWI against the British at Beersheba, and was awarded the German Iron Cross while in the service of General Otto von Kreiss. During WWII, General al-Qawuqji was a colonel of the Wehrmacht serving with the Sonderstab F.

Similarly the co-founder and co-leader of the Army of the Holy War, Hasan Salama, which also mustered against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was a WWII Member of the German Sicherheitsdienst with service in Palestine against the British.

Yes! It is all subjective. I'm very sure that all Arab Palestinians are proud of their heritage of the 20th Century.

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

(COMMENT)

You could be a 50 year career felon and have a soul clean enough to be nominated for sainthood in comparison with these prominent Arab Palestinian.

In the beginning of the migration to the Middle East, (at the end of WWI), the Jewish people were not stealing, bombing or bulldozing productive assets. Although in recent times (nearly a century later) there is little question that the war has escalated.

Since the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, the Arab Palestinian has not been on the political right-side of any major issue in the world. Statistically, it is not likely that they are on the right side of anything today. Given the linage of the Arab Palestinian since the opening of the 20th Century, Arabs that live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. If the Grand Mufti had - had his way, you would all be speaking German and would have heard of Muslim/Islam only in an historical sense.

Most Respectfully,
R

Relevance to my post?

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm not sure I go along with this supposition.

Muslim soldiers of the Handschar Waffen SS
reading a pamphlet written by Grand Mufti of
Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini titled 'Islam
and Judaism.' They wear distinctive Handschar
tarboosh headgear, and insignias (scimitars
and swastikas) on their lapels.

Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.​

It is --- rather--- a subjective evaluation, as to who is the "criminal" and who was doing "fine."

Even before WWII, during the First World War, many Arab Leaders such as Hajj Amin al-Husseini (who later became the first President of the All Palestine Government) were aligned with enemy powers and became officers in the Army of the Ottoman Empire. Even Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (First Prime Minister of the All Palestine Government) was in the serve of the Sultan and attained the rank of a General Officer in the Ottoman Army.

Oddly enough, the Commander of the Arab Liberation Army fighting against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was General Fawzi al-Qawuqji, an Ottoman Military Academy Grad, served in WWI against the British at Beersheba, and was awarded the German Iron Cross while in the service of General Otto von Kreiss. During WWII, General al-Qawuqji was a colonel of the Wehrmacht serving with the Sonderstab F.

Similarly the co-founder and co-leader of the Army of the Holy War, Hasan Salama, which also mustered against the Israelis in the 1948 War of Independence, was a WWII Member of the German Sicherheitsdienst with service in Palestine against the British.

Yes! It is all subjective. I'm very sure that all Arab Palestinians are proud of their heritage of the 20th Century.

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

(COMMENT)

You could be a 50 year career felon and have a soul clean enough to be nominated for sainthood in comparison with these prominent Arab Palestinian.

In the beginning of the migration to the Middle East, (at the end of WWI), the Jewish people were not stealing, bombing or bulldozing productive assets. Although in recent times (nearly a century later) there is little question that the war has escalated.

Since the assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, the Arab Palestinian has not been on the political right-side of any major issue in the world. Statistically, it is not likely that they are on the right side of anything today. Given the linage of the Arab Palestinian since the opening of the 20th Century, Arabs that live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. If the Grand Mufti had - had his way, you would all be speaking German and would have heard of Muslim/Islam only in an historical sense.

Most Respectfully,
R

how does any pro-palestinian on this or any mixed forum not know this yet? It has to have been explained in detail at least once a month if not more.

Mufti=anti-semitic hate=holocaust=violence against jews and Israel

Some things never change. Even today, Palestinians will be Palestinians.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm wondering if this will not be anything but helpful to both the US and interloping Arab and Persian extremist in the region.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And still no valid link supporting your claims, making them void like the space between your ears

(COMMENT)

Palestine (the State of) is parasitic by nature. It has not proven it can stand alone. The consequences of such a move will be interesting. If such a move results in the collapse of the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, what impact would that have on the people of Palestine (alla 1988)?

Most Respectfully,
R

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Only in your mind were they criminals. Remember, Jews (local and European) were attacked and Massacred several times before any Arab was killed.

The 'Palestinians', are responsible for their own demise. The sooner they realize that, the sooner they can get out of the hole thy have dug themselves in.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is all about the perspective that you project.

Relevance to my post?

(COMMENT)

You are attempting to suggest that the Arab Palestinian behaviors have been "good, acceptable, or satisfactory" and their life style and cultural ways were "of high quality."

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Your suggesting a cause and effect. The effect was that the invited Jewish Immigration have the effect of altering the life style the Arab Palestinian from one of good, acceptable, or satisfactory to bad, unacceptable and unsatisfactory --- and turning the culture ways from one of high quality to one of little quality.

My response was to suggest an alternative. That the Arab Palestinian was not a culture that exhibited these positive behaviors, but a culture that was more aligned with embracing that of the post-Weimar Republic; which became the very things the world would come to associate with pure evil today. The Arab Palestinian sought-out and advocated the persecution of the Jews as a matter of policy, just as the Axis Powers --- and encourage the furtherance of these anti-Semitic behaviors. This was not forced upon the Arab Palestinian; on the contrary. The highest official of Islamic law in the Region (the Grand Mufti) went to Germany to embrace the architect of anti-Semitism.

Whatever you might think of the Jewish People, the Arab Muslims of Palestine were what they came-out to be, well before the Jewish immigrated under the Mandate.

The Relevance! Well the Arab Palestinian became and garnered exactly the outcome they deserved. Nothing the Jewish Immigrant did was affected the behaves or the fait of the Arab Palestinian. They did that all on their own.

While no culture or people are perfect; with points in history that are nothing to be proud of, the Palestinian should be careful in suggesting that they (who fought for the Ottoman and the Axis) are the victim of the Allied Powers and the Jewish Immigration. The Arab Palestinian are what they are; (to barrow a phrase from Led Zeppelin) crying won't help you and praying won't do you no good.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I'm wondering if this will not be anything but helpful to both the US and interloping Arab and Persian extremist in the region.

These are all violations of their constitution and the rights of the people.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been telling aides that he plans to reject some $150 million in federal money earmarked for Palestinian security. Why the Palestinians might reject U.S. aid - The Washington Post​

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

And still no valid link supporting your claims, making them void like the space between your ears

(COMMENT)

Palestine (the State of) is parasitic by nature. It has not proven it can stand alone. The consequences of such a move will be interesting. If such a move results in the collapse of the Palestinian Authority Security Forces, what impact would that have on the people of Palestine (alla 1988)?

Most Respectfully,
R

Bullshit, Rocco.

Palestine was fine before the criminals came out of Europe and stole, bombed/bulldozed their productive assets.

Because it was empty and could hardly exist back then, that is why the Ottomans invited the Jews to free the land and make it fertile. The criminals were the arab muslims that came shortly after thinking they could steal the land of the Jews, and found the new Jews were tougher than the old ones.

You are a liar.

Ottoman Palestine was 90% or more Christian and Muslim as late as 1896. Luckily, there is film documentary evidence.