Palestine History - Alan hart with Ilan Pappe

[Marc39]

How can you say into Israel.

Israel has no borders to define where it is.

The League of Nations established Israel's borders in 1922, from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea.

I've instructed you on this, before. Try to remember, stupid little boy

Show me anything from the League of Nations that mentions an Israel.

The League of Nations preceded Israeli statehood, moron.

League of Nations' Palestine Mandate...

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country [ Palestine] under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Now, you know, stupid little boy.

 

[docmauser1]

How can you say into Israel. Israel has no borders to define where it is.

The story of islam, from Muhammad to the Ottomans, has been the story of the rise and fall of the barbaric imperial aggressiveness and of never-dying imperial dreams and fantasies of revenge and restoration. That's why it's a madrasa-approved point of view - the world is divided into dar el islam and dar el harb, the latter being a non-islamic world, not yet plundered, inhabited by the people, not yet robbed and murdered, or converted. All in the name of allah, of course. Hence the perpetual lapses about lapses about geography.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The League of Nations established Israel's borders in 1922, from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea.

I've instructed you on this, before. Try to remember, stupid little boy

Show me anything from the League of Nations that mentions an Israel.

The League of Nations preceded Israeli statehood, moron.

League of Nations' Palestine Mandate...

ART. 2.

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country [ Palestine] under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Now, you know, stupid little boy.

Israel went to war with the mandate. Israel was not the fulfillment of the mandate. It was in defiance of it. It was set up as a separate entity that did not conform to the rules of the mandate.

When the foreigners declared themselves to be the state of Israel in Palestine they did so in violation of the UN charter.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

rise and fall of the barbaric imperial aggressiveness and of never-dying imperial dreams and fantasies of revenge and restoration.

You as a supporter of Israel can say this? This is a description of Israel and its policies for over 50 years.

 

[Marc39]

Israel went to war with the mandate.

Wrong, moron. You're embarrassingly uneducated.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

On 29 November, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a resolution approving the partition of mandatory Palestine into three components: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone. As the Mandate came to an end, the Jews began to form their state; the Palestinian Arab leaders and the Arab governments rejected the partition resolution and went to war to prevent its implementation.

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Mo, say hello to Larry and Curly, stooge.

 

[Marc39]

rise and fall of the barbaric imperial aggressiveness and of never-dying imperial dreams and fantasies of revenge and restoration.

You as a supporter of Israel can say this? This is a description of Israel and its policies for over 50 years.

Winston Churchill...

We owe to the Jews a system of ethics which, even if it were entirely separated from the supernatural, would be incomparably the most precious possession of mankind, worth in fact the fruits of all wisdom and learning put together.

Winston Churchill...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

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Muslims: "We Desire Death Like You Desire Life"
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[Marc39]

rise and fall of the barbaric imperial aggressiveness and of never-dying imperial dreams and fantasies of revenge and restoration.

You as a supporter of Israel can say this? This is a description of Israel and its policies for over 50 years.

Martin Luther King, Jr...

I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.

"I have a dream" for peace in the Middle East / King's special bond with Israel


Alexis de Toqueville...

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

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[georgephillip]

When did Muslims last launch their version of Cast Lead?

Dumbass, Muslims caused Cast Lead by firing thousands of rockets into Israel, an act of war and flagrant violation of international law.

You're brain-dead.

"Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets.

"Putting aside the absurdity, if Israel were interested in stopping Hamas rockets it knows exactly how to proceed: accept Hamas offers for a cease-fire. In June 2008, Israel and Hamas reached a cease-fire agreement. The Israeli government formally acknowledges that until Israel broke the agreeement on November 4, invading Gaza and killing half a dozen Hamas activists, Hamas did not fire a single rocket.

"Hamas offered to renew the cease-fire. The Israeli cabinet considered the offer and rejected it, preferring to launch its murderous and destructive Operation Cast Lead on December 27."

Noam Chomsky

 

[Marc39]

When did Muslims last launch their version of Cast Lead?

Dumbass, Muslims caused Cast Lead by firing thousands of rockets into Israel, an act of war and flagrant violation of international law.

You're brain-dead.

"Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets.

5 out of 6 ships arrived without incident.

The 6th jihad ship did not carry one gram of food and was in violation of international law in attempting to run a lawful Israeli blockade of a terrorist base.

Meanwhile, Hamas Nazis refused humanitarian aid for its own people...
Flotilla aid refused by Hamas

 

[P F Tinmore]

Dumbass, Muslims caused Cast Lead by firing thousands of rockets into Israel, an act of war and flagrant violation of international law.

You're brain-dead.

"Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets.

5 out of 6 ships arrived without incident.

The 6th jihad ship did not carry one gram of food and was in violation of international law in attempting to run a lawful Israeli blockade of a terrorist base.

Meanwhile, Hamas Nazis refused humanitarian aid for its own people...
Flotilla aid refused by Hamas

Do you know why?

Of course not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel went to war with the mandate.

Wrong, moron. You're embarrassingly uneducated.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

On 29 November, 1947, the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted a resolution approving the partition of mandatory Palestine into three components: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone. As the Mandate came to an end, the Jews began to form their state; the Palestinian Arab leaders and the Arab governments rejected the partition resolution and went to war to prevent its implementation.

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Mo, say hello to Larry and Curly, stooge.

Deflection.

Zionist terrorist gangs attacked the British regularly particularly after the 1939 white paper that essentially called to an end the Jewish homeland thing.

 

[Marc39]

"Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets.

5 out of 6 ships arrived without incident.

The 6th jihad ship did not carry one gram of food and was in violation of international law in attempting to run a lawful Israeli blockade of a terrorist base.

Meanwhile, Hamas Nazis refused humanitarian aid for its own people...
Flotilla aid refused by Hamas

Do you know why?

Of course not.

For the same reason Hamas stole humanitarian aid from its own people, previously: Maximize the misery of Pallies to use a political pawns.

UN: UN suspends aid operation after second Hamas-linked theft of supplies

The main United Nations relief agency responsible for feeding 900,000 Palestinian refugees in Gaza today suspended all imports of desperately needed aid after Hamas confiscated hundreds of tons of food, the second such seizure in three days.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon demanded that Hamas immediately return the food to the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), which said its suspension would remain in force until such a return and “the Agency is given credible assurances from the Hamas government in Gaza that there will be no repeat of these thefts.”

Mr. Ban also called on Hamas “to refrain from interference with the provision and distribution of humanitarian assistance in Gaza,” where a three-week Israeli offensive, launched with the stated aim of ending Hamas and other rocket attacks against it, killed 1,300 Palestinians, injured more than 5,300, 34 per cent of them children, destroyed or damaged 21,000 homes, and caused widespread damage to infrastructure.

He reiterated Security Council calls for the unimpeded provision and distribution of humanitarian aid, including food, fuel and medical treatment, throughout Gaza.

Gaza: UN suspends aid operation after second Hamas-linked theft of supplies

 

[docmauser1]

rise and fall of the barbaric imperial aggressiveness and of never-dying imperial dreams and fantasies of revenge and restoration.

You as a supporter of Israel can say this? This is a description of Israel and its policies for over 50 years.

We always seem to foget that, Israel is not an islamic state, don't we?

 

[docmauser1]

Noam Chomsky

Garbage, of course, garbage.

 

[georgephillip]

Dumbass, Muslims caused Cast Lead by firing thousands of rockets into Israel, an act of war and flagrant violation of international law.

You're brain-dead.

"Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets.

5 out of 6 ships arrived without incident.

The 6th jihad ship did not carry one gram of food and was in violation of international law in attempting to run a lawful Israeli blockade of a terrorist base.

Meanwhile, Hamas Nazis refused humanitarian aid for its own people...
Flotilla aid refused by Hamas

All ships were boarded illegally in international waters on FUCKING MEMORIAL DAY, hasbara.

The Mavi Marmara repelled the first borders and so the heroic IDF resorted to snipers in helicopters to gain access where they murdered (another) UNARMED American citizen execution style.

Nothing that happened LAST MEMORIAL DAY changes Chomsky's arguments regarding the cease fire arrangement that Israel broke on November 4 by invading Gaza and killing six Hamas activists.

"Hamas did not fire a single rocket.

"Hamas offered to renew the cease-fire. The Israeli cabinet considered the offer and rejected it, preferring to launch its murderous and destructive Operation Cast Lead on December 27.

"Evidently, there is no justification for the use of force 'in self-defense' unless peaceful means have been exhausted.

"In this case they were not even tried, although or perhaps because there was every reason to suppose that they would succeed.

"Operation Cast Lead is therefore sheer criminal aggression, with no credible pretext, and the same is true of Israel's current resort to force."

Is your primary allegiance to Israel or the US?

Noam Chomsky

 

[georgephillip]

Noam Chomsky

Garbage, of course, garbage.

Chomsky's currently the eighth most widely quoted author in history. He's the only living person on a top ten list that begins with the Bible.

If that qualifies as garbage, you must be conservative.

 

[Marc39]

"Much the same is true of Israel's pretext for its latest crime: that the Freedom Flotilla was bringing materials that could be used for bunkers for rockets.

5 out of 6 ships arrived without incident.

The 6th jihad ship did not carry one gram of food and was in violation of international law in attempting to run a lawful Israeli blockade of a terrorist base.

Meanwhile, Hamas Nazis refused humanitarian aid for its own people...
Flotilla aid refused by Hamas

All ships were boarded illegally in international waters on FUCKING MEMORIAL DAY, hasbara.

The Mavi Marmara repelled the first borders and so the heroic IDF resorted to snipers in helicopters to gain access where they murdered (another) UNARMED American citizen execution style.

Nothing that happened LAST MEMORIAL DAY changes Chomsky's arguments regarding the cease fire arrangement that Israel broke on November 4 by invading Gaza and killing six Hamas activists.

"Hamas did not fire a single rocket.

"Hamas offered to renew the cease-fire. The Israeli cabinet considered the offer and rejected it, preferring to launch its murderous and destructive Operation Cast Lead on December 27.

"Evidently, there is no justification for the use of force 'in self-defense' unless peaceful means have been exhausted.

"In this case they were not even tried, although or perhaps because there was every reason to suppose that they would succeed.

"Operation Cast Lead is therefore sheer criminal aggression, with no credible pretext, and the same is true of Israel's current resort to force."

Is your primary allegiance to Israel or the US?

Noam Chomsky

Georgie, you know less than zero about the subject matter.

The jihadist ship announced at the outset its intent to violate Israel's lawful blockade of Gaza, which is a terrorist base in a declared war with Israel.

Thus, Israel was entirely compliant with maritime law in intercepting the vessel, even in international waters, provided Israel did not violate the coasts or ports of neutral states, which Israel did not do.

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea...

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

68. Any attack on these vessels is subject to the basic rules in paragraphs 38-46.

Israel fulfilled its obligations under paragraphs 38-46...

38. In any armed conflict the right of the parties to the conflict to choose methods or means of warfare is not unlimited.

39. Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between civilians or other protected persons and combatants and between civilian or exempt objects and military objectives.

40. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

41. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. Merchant vessels and civil aircraft are civilian objects unless they are military objectives in accordance with the principles and rules set forth in this document.

42. In addition to any specific prohibitions binding upon the parties to a conflict, it is forbidden to employ methods or means of warfare which:

(a) are of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering; or
(b) are indiscriminate, in that:
(i) they are not, or cannot be, directed against a specific military objective; or
(ii) their effects cannot be limited as required by international law as reflected in this document.

43. It is prohibited to order that there shall be no survivors, to threaten an adversary therewith or to conduct hostilities on this basis.

44. Methods and means of warfare should be employed with due regard for the natural environment taking into account the relevant rules of international law. Damage to or destruction of the natural environment not justified by military necessity and carried out wantonly is prohibited.

45. Surface ships, submarines and aircraft are bound by the same principles and rules.

SECTION II : PRECAUTIONS IN ATTACK

46. With respect to attacks, the following precautions shall be taken:

(a) those who plan, decide upon or execute an attack must take all feasible measures to gather information which will assist in determining whether or not objects which are not military objectives are present in an area of attack;
(b) in the light of the information available to them, those who plan, decide upon or execute an attack shall do everything feasible to ensure that attacks are limited to military objectives;
(c) they shall furthermore take all feasible precautions in the choice of methods and means in order to avoid or minimize collateral casualties or damage; and
(d) an attack shall not be launched if it may be expected to cause collateral casualties or damage which world be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the attack as a whole; an attack shall be cancelled or suspended as soon as it becomes apparent that the collateral casualties or damage would be excessive.

Israel first determined beyond a reasonable doubt that the ship in question was attempting to run a blockade, thus making it subject to detention under the standards shown above. It also took “all feasible precautions in the choice of methods and means in order to avoid or minimize collateral casualties or damage” by boarding the ship with non-lethal weapons, and resorted to deadly force only when subjected to deadly force.

Israel acted in compliance with international law.
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea

 

[georgephillip]

Why did Israeli snipers fire from helicopters before the first Jew landed on the deck.

Why was an unarmed American citizen executed at point blank range?

Why did Israel select MEMORIAL DAY for their terrorist assault?

 

[Marc39]

Why did Israeli snipers fire from helicopters before the first Jew landed on the deck.

Why was an unarmed American citizen executed at point blank range?

Why did Israel select MEMORIAL DAY for their terrorist assault?

Why are your Muslim cohorts in Sudan massacring millions in Darfur and Sudan and not a peep out of you, jihadist ass-licking scumbag?

The genocide in Darfur has claimed 400,000 lives and displaced over 2,500,000 people. More than one hundred people continue to die each day; five thousand die every month.

Since February 2003, the Sudanese government in Khartoum and the government-sponsored Janjaweed militia have used rape, displacement, organized starvation, threats against aid workers and mass murder. Violence, disease, and displacement continue to kill thousands of innocent Darfurians every month.

Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard
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[georgephillip]

Too stupid to answer three simple questions?

You're pathetic, Poseur.

Why did Israel select MEMORIAL DAY to murder another unarmed US citizen?