The Tragedy of Palestine

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    It is self evident that no one has the right*to*take someone else’s land.**

    That may have been an accepted practice in the colonial era of the 18th to 19th century. By the mid-20th century, it was not acceptable.*

    Israel did not exist before 1948. Palestine did. That simple fact alone tells you were justice lies in this matter!**

    “The population of Palestine, predominantly agricultural, was about 690,000 in 1914, 535,000 Muslims; 70,000 Christians, most of whom were Arabs; and 85,000 Jews." (Encyclopaedia Britannica).**

    There was no substantial Jewish population until after ww2 when Jews were 'imported'. Often wealthy Zionists financed them. Wealthy Zionists who incidentally, decided to remain were they where!**

    The Chinese have used similar tactics, massive immigration, to subjugate Tibet, a similar crime against humanity.**

    Ancient history is irrelevant. Modern history is*not.**

    To claim someone else’s land because your ancestors once lived there is merely unreasonable. However, to claim it because god gave it to you is insane.**

    Modern Zionism is based upon religious*fundamentalism and racism. Anyone who supports these policies must exist in a religious fantasy camp, were seizing the lands of others is a god-given right and anyone who attempts to recover their own land is a terrorist.**

    Eventually, the Israelis must come to terms with their criminal actions in Palestine.**

    If they do this, and establish some kind of 'Truth Commission', I believe that they will find a new basis for discussion with the Palestinians, and that a single state solution will be a possibility, with some kind of reconciliation with the Palestinians, who have suffered so much at the hands of the Zionists since the occupation began.**
     
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    You seem to be seeking a moral finding on the creation of Israel.

    Applying moral tests to ammoral entities like nations really doesn't make sense.

    Very few nations I can think of aren't the result of theft and war.

    Why is Israel being held to a standard that we do not hold our own nation to?

    Bear in mind as you ponder this that I too, and not a big fan of Israel.

    But I am a big fan of truth.

    And the truth is that Israel, just like every other nation, has the right to exist that stems from power, not from morality.

    And if Israel is overpowered by Palestinians then the Palestinians have the right to exist just as long as they can hold onto it, too.

    Hey, don't blame the messenger.

    I didn't say I like it, I'm just noting how the world really works.
     
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    We no longer live in the wild west of world politics. It is no longer legal to steal a country.
     
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    Religion and Economics have also conspired in the tragedy of Palestine/Israel/Judea/Canaan. Zionism works for rich Jews the some way Aryan Mythology functioned for rich Germans (and Jews) during Hitler's rise.

    Israel's "independence" required an Arab Al Nakba (catastrophe):

    "Al-Nakba should not be viewed as a 'catastrophe' in the same sense as those sudden upheavals, destruction, etc, caused by inexplicable natural disasters, massive earthquakes, flooding, tornadoes, or an unexpected attack by meteorites from outer space.

    "I want to argue here for the need to widen our conception of Al-Nakba, and to think of it as a disastrous process, whose seeds were consciously planted at least since the beginning of the last century, and whose clear targets were our displacement and alienation from our indigenous land, and our supplanting by Jewish-Zionist colonists being hurled at us from other parts of the world."

    "My call for re-focusing our conceptualization of, what was termed Al-Nakba, is certainly not to deny, or undermine, the evil that was perpetrated and impacted an entire society, history and territory...

    "It is a process that led to the cleansing (i.e., killing and expulsion) of at least 86% of the indigenous Palestinian population that lived in the area that became Israel; and the erasure of at least 531 of their villages and towns, with the explicit goal of creating an exclusive Jewish state in the same area.

    "Al-Nakba is an ongoing process of 'memoricide' (to use Ilan Pappe's term)-the wiping out of individual and collective memory, in the hope that it cannot be rekindled...

    "From the above perspective, and according to all available serious historical analyses, Al-Nakba was not a sudden happening that came from nowhere.

    "What happened in 1947-1948 was a culmination of a colonial settler process, whose aim was (and continues to be) to dislodge the indigenous Arab population of Palestine and replace them with Zionist Jewish settlers from other countries.

    "These settlers and their descendents spearheaded a systematic process, which started in the early twenties of the last century, of cleansing the land from its Palestinian population, and transforming it to become an extension of the globalized capitalist center."

    Khalil Nakhleh
     
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    Your post is complete fiction. :lol:

    Arabs and Muslims stole the once-Jewish and once-Christian Middle East.
    Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Jews lived in the Holy Land 2000 years before Arabs, who originated from Arabia, invaded and took their land.

    Allah knows the Holy Land is Jewish land...

    Quran 5:20-21...
    Winston Churchill knew the Holy Land is Jewish land...
    [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Jews-Friendship-Martin-Gilbert/dp/0805078800]Amazon.com: Churchill and the Jews: A Lifelong Friendship (9780805078800): Martin Gilbert: Books: Reviews, Prices & more[/ame]



    Barack Obama knows the Hold Land is Jewish land...
    Remarks by the President to the United Nations General Assembly | The White House

    The League of Nations knew the Holy Land is Jewish land...
    Now, even you know. :clap2:
     
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    you're right of course.

    but in response to your query, the fact that they insist on pontificating about israel without comment on the fact that the UAE, Iraq and many other countries only exist because they were 'created' is proof it's about anti-semitism.
     
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    Oil-rich Arab bandits stole the once-Jewish and once-Christian Middle East. Not one sovereign Arab country existed prior to WW I, which were all invented out of the ashes of the old Ottoman Empire.

    Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    There is a big difference between waking up one morning to find a new flag over city hall, and waking up one morning with a gun in your face.
     
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    The Fakestinians invented a fake flag. They took the Jordanian flag, dropped the star and made it their own fake flag.

    Fake people, fake flag.
    http://www.jordanbkk.com/image/jordan-flag.gif
    http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/palestinian_hamas__260498.jpg

    Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen...
    Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Arab American Journalist Joe Farah...
    Myths of the Middle East


    Arab Commentator Azmi Bishara...
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU[/ame]
     
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    Says who?

    You sort of miss my point.

    Nations are only as beholden to any law as there is somebody to enforce that law.

    That is how it was, how it is, and how it will be.

    What law created the USA?

    What laws granted them the right to take the land from the original inhabitants?

    The law of the fang and claw.

    The ONLY law that nations really and truly respect.
     
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