Out of Control Police: Dead Sox fan...

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    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041023/D85SR0O80.html

     
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    i posted this news earlier, commending the police dept. for its near instant acceptance of responsbility and promise to review tactics in the future. i don't think the police were out of control, i just they jumped the gun because they were overcompensating for the super bowl mess earlier this year. and also, the level of police incompetence in this case pales in comparision to truly "out of control" incompetent police actions in places like LA, NY, New Orleans and Miami.

    My heart goes out to the girl's family for this terrible tragedy. It is still comforting and promising news out of Boston though when the police admit their mistake openly instead of trying to hide it or lie about it.
     
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    Linda was 21 years old. This is very sad.

    Version I heard on Boston talk radio : drunken students trying to tip over a car defy mounted police orders to stop it and leave the area.

    officer is dismounted by force, he overwhelms his attacker , and does not try to arrest him.

    The crowd, or a few a-holes in the crowd, set the car on fire.

    Bottles, full and empty are thrown at the police.

    68 cal gelcap pepperballs are fired into the crowd, and Linda is struck in the eye, and killed.

    I blame the people who attacked the police. They killed Linda.
     
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    Quoted from some generic info site :

    A PAINTBALL IS A ROUND, THIN SKINNED capsule with colored
    liquid inside it. *Paintballs are similar to large round vitamin capsules or
    bath oil beads. *The fill inside paintballs is non-toxic, non-caustic,
    water-soluble and biodegradeable or made of naturally occurring
    elements. *It rinses out of clothing and off skin with mild soap and water. *
    The skin of a paintball is most often gelatin such as is used in making
    vitamins and thousands of food products. *There are some paintballs with
    a starch-like skin. *Certain specialty paintballs, not allowed in the game,
    are restricted to police and military training, or theatrical special effects
    uses.[/B]


    paintballs are designed to be fired at under 300 feet per second, I know from playing close range games with high end gear that they can break the skin and leave serious bruises and welts. But there is no question that a hit in the eye would be catastrophic. No body who plays would ever consider playing or even watching without an approved face mask.

    But again my earlier point : No body in their right mind, even sports fans from Boston, should be throwing full beers at horse mounted Police.
     
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    Blame the crowd - not the cops
     
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    I wouldn't blame the cops either, but I don't understand the logic of a pepper-spray gun. Why not tear gas?

    I went to Ohio University. Every Halloween there is a block party in the middle of town. Between 20,000 to 60,000 people show up. When the cops decide it's time to clear the streets they have rubber bullets for their shotguns that they fire at the ground right in front of the crowd. The bullets bounce and then hit the people in front. And they hurt, but the bounce dimishes their power quite a bit.

    What's a pepper spray bead going to do? And based on what I know of pepper spray I would have to imagine they were aiming at people's heads. That's not right.

    Sure the crowd's to blame, but so is the dumbass who thought equiping police officers with pepper spray guns was a good idea.
     
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    that's an interesting point/fact i didn't know about.

    i would almost agree there, and you can see the Boston PD instantly taking responsibility and attemping to fix things here. good on them.
     
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    Miss Snelgraves name isn't Linda. Don't know where that came from, my apologies.......

    The idea of the CS/pepper paintball guns seemed like a better alternative to the smoke bomb style grenades the army uses. A cop can target an individual without contaminating a whole neighborhood.

    But. Now there is a dead girl.

    Another maybe minor point re: paintball.

    Most paintball "guns" are designed to NOT look like firearms, bright colors, Top mounted "magazine" hoppers. Yet they have been very well designed for use under competitive stress. I have two tourny level guns that are very accurate, have a very high rate of fire, and do NOT look like lethal weapons. But the Boston cops apparently have something different.

    My point is, when the rowdy crowd saw the Teargas markers come out, they most likey thought it was a firearm. ..." They can't shoot me, I am a college kid" if they were easily discernable from real guns they might have said " that's a teargas gun, they CAN shoot me. "
     
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    As I'm sure you know, people playing paintball wear face guards.
     
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    BOSTON (AP) -- Boston police are giving up the pepper-spray gun that killed a college student during a rowdy Red Sox celebration, switching to a weapon that fires the pellets at a
    lower velocity .

    IMO...This won't fix the problem.
    The result will be, police will have to be much closer to the crowd in order to maintain accuracy. Thus compromising their safety.

    My suggestion would be a larger pepper ball propelled at high velocity,
    AIMED no higher than the waste.
    The increased size of the pepper ball, coupled with the velocity, will easily
    disperse the pepper in a broad and effective manner.
     

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