Operation Rescue Nets 70,000 pedoscums

[Lyte]

I have no idea what you are talking about. You are saying it is not "abnormal" but it is "irrational". I'm not going to get into a semantic argument here. Only sick fucks lust after children. Period.

No, I'm not saying it is irrational. This is not a matter of semantics.

You say, that only "sick fucks" (=perverts - sexually abnormals) lust after children.
When governments decide who is a child and who is not, even you can be a "pervert" in Tunisia (age of consent 20), if you ever happen to check out some hot 19 year old beach boy.
Do you really think, sexual perversion is defined this way?

If you have sex with that 19 year old beach boy in Tunisia, you are a pedophile for sure, but you are not a pervert. What I'm saying is that not all pedophiles are "sexually abnormals", this phenomena cannot be explained away by condemning all pedophiles as perverts.

Protective age is very necessary in my opinion, as our society is so complex. Adults are very good at manipulating youngsters to have sex with them (voluntary or involuntary) and for this reason we need to protect the youth with the protective age limit. To protect them from our natural instincts, not just from a bunch of perverts.

 

[chanel]

Humans be definition are "rational" animals. Savage uncivilized animals belong in cages.

Tip of the day; See oddballs post.

 

[Lyte]

Humans be definition are "rational" animals. Savage uncivilized animals belong in cages.

Tip of the day; See oddballs post.

So even though I condemned these pedophiles harsher than you, you accuse me of being a pedophile - it is amazing how little you understood what I was typing (I guess this English thing is harder than I thought).

Here is my last attempt: These pedophiles who lust after teens under the age of consent are MORE condemnable as they can't use a sexual perversion as an "explanation" for their actions. There is NO justification (not even the one that "hey I'm a fucking pervert who is unable to control his sexual appetite!") for a sexually normal person to have sex with a teen under the age of consent.

It is just a rational, healthy person taking advantage of a teen. An adult who is fully capable of having sexual relationships with other adults CHOOSING to molest an underage person when the opportunity arises.

I'm still not sure have I convinced you with my earlier examples that non pervert pedophiles exist, but I give up.

 

[chanel]

Well those "non pervert pedophiles" caught up in this sting will be just as guilty as the "pervert pedophiles" I'm sure the judge will consider that distinctipn. Not.

 

[JBeukema]

So disturbing. I am blown away by that number.

That number does not surprise me at all. Age of consent is a decided value, set by the society to protect the youth from sexual manipulation. It can be set to 13, 16, 18 or even 50 if the society thinks it is necessary to ensure peoples good life. Law doesn't affect our biology though.

When a female or male of any animal comes to reproductive age, it starts to attract the opposite sex. This is the same with humans. You can't really accuse these individuals who choose to molest teens in their puberty of being "perverse" - No, it is a pure criminal act. Only when they molest children who haven't reached puberty, it becomes a perversion.This is why (imo) we have so much pedophiles, it is not a perversion, but all adults are attracted to - more or less to children between the "age consent" and puberty. Adults who don't understand the necessity of the potective age - or just don't care, will risk it.

I probably typed something politically incorrect there, it is a disturbing thought to consider every adult as a potential pedophile - by their nature. I think most pedophiles aren't "sick" or "abnormal". Scary thought is that they are just like us - their morals are just low.

Agna?

 

[Douger]

Can we get an idea what countries the idiots steal oxygenz within ?

 

[Mad Scientist]

Yeah. And it amazes me that someone would try to confuse the issue. This is not about age of consent. Two teens having sex may be natural and legal. A grown man filming or getting off on watching it, is not. That is just fucking sick. Even in Finland.

This.
The last time I was interested in 15 year old girls was when I was 15 myself.

 

[JBeukema]

Humans be definition are "rational" animals.

If humans were rational agents, economics would be much simpler

 

[George Costanza]

Yeah. And it amazes me that someone would try to confuse the issue. This is not about age of consent. Two teens having sex may be natural and legal. A grown man filming or getting off on watching it, is not. That is just fucking sick. Even in Finland.

This.
The last time I was interested in 15 year old girls was when I was 15 myself.

I hate to say it, but Lyte indeed has a point. I think the problem here (with Chanel as well) is, that this issue of pedophiles and child molestation is such a hot button issue, that no matter what someone says on the point, if he or she isn't advocating a public hanging or such, the knee-jerk reaction is to label them a "sick fuck" and then really get down to getting nasty with them.

You know as well as I, that there are 15 year old girls who could easily pass for being over 18, and they can be gorgeous. That's God's plan - young women are very attractive to men for a reason. Placing an age limit on it is a societal invention. In the many conversations I have had with Him () I don't think I ever heard God mentioning at what age (for the female) men are allowed to start lusting after women. That is what Lyte is talking about when he mentions "biology."

There is obviously something very wrong with an adult male who lusts after small children. But a 15 year old girl can hardly be classified as a "small child."

I don't like pedophiles any more than anyone else. But I am a little put off at the treatment given to Lyte for making what I think is a totally valid point. He isn't defending child molestation. He is merely pointing out that SOCIETY defines the age limit for when a female can be a victim of child molestation, and this definition may not always be in line with BIOLOGICAL reality.

Make sense?

 

[westwall]

EDIT: reply to Big Fitz

Quote:
Morally deficient but basically good people?


That is an oxymoron.

Yes. I know. It was deliberate to prove a point. You can't have it both ways.

I am in no way defending pedophiles here. What I am saying is that this problem is more complex than just "they are mentally ill, sick individuals". If someone can refute my points, I'm listening.

A teen is one thing. 13 used to be a marriageble age in the Middle Ages when people lived to around 26 or so. However, now the age of consent for most countries is considerable higher....16 for some states as well, not just Finland, but 18 for most. We are mainly talking about those who prey on children, not teen agers.

A pedophile who targets children 12 and younger is not fixable. They have a 100% recidivism rate and absolutely will harm children for as long as they can, and the part that is so bad is they truly believe that it is absolutely OK for them to do it. Their brains really are wired wrong.

Those are the ones we are talking about.

 

[syrenn]

So disturbing. I am blown away by that number.

That number does not surprise me at all. Age of consent is a decided value, set by the society to protect the youth from sexual manipulation. It can be set to 13, 16, 18 or even 50 if the society thinks it is necessary to ensure peoples good life. Law doesn't affect our biology though.

When a female or male of any animal comes to reproductive age, it starts to attract the opposite sex. This is the same with humans. You can't really accuse these individuals who choose to molest teens in their puberty of being "perverse" - No, it is a pure criminal act. Only when they molest children who haven't reached puberty, it becomes a perversion.This is why (imo) we have so much pedophiles, it is not a perversion, but all adults are attracted to - more or less to children between the "age consent" and puberty. Adults who don't understand the necessity of the potective age - or just don't care, will risk it.

I probably typed something politically incorrect there, it is a disturbing thought to consider every adult as a potential pedophile - by their nature. I think most pedophiles aren't "sick" or "abnormal". Scary thought is that they are just like us - their morals are just low.

Defending the child molesting pedophiles are you? Sympathies with their needs do you?

 

[Big Fitz]

Yeah. And it amazes me that someone would try to confuse the issue. This is not about age of consent. Two teens having sex may be natural and legal. A grown man filming or getting off on watching it, is not. That is just fucking sick. Even in Finland.

My claim is that sexual intrest is defined by biology, and it starts at puberty - like it is with every species on earth.
Your claim is that this is not true. You claim that it is perverse (sexually abnormal) for an old guy, to lust after a teen (13-19 year old) because...(you haven't stated why)

We both agree (as it is clear from my first post)

Only when they molest children who haven't reached puberty, it becomes a perversion.

that sexual desire for a pre-teen or younger is a perversion. So in other words it is not a product of a abnormal mind to lust after teens, but an clear criminal act by a rational mind - which if anything, is even more condemnable.

Edit:typo

Most pedophiles go after pre-pubescent children... boys and girls as well as some cases going for infants. It's absolutely vile.

Lusting after a post pubescent girl is on the squicky end, but it is not really pedophilia in the true nature. That is more statutory rape. The child is becoming physically an adult.

When you're talking pedophiles you're talking children younger than puberty 90% of the time.

Read some Andrew Vachss. His work on the subject, fiction and non is powerful and revealing of how these groups work. He does not try to raise the awareness. He tries to raise the anger towards these monsters. The man knows what he talks writes about from having fought on the front lines to save children from the fiends that walk like humans and prey on our most vulnerable asset.

The Official Website of Andrew Vachss : The Zero 5.0laf

 

[Big Fitz]

Yes. I know. It was deliberate to prove a point. You can't have it both ways.

I am in no way defending pedophiles here. What I am saying is that this problem is more complex than just "they are mentally ill, sick individuals". If someone can refute my points, I'm listening.

A teen is one thing. 13 used to be a marriageble age in the Middle Ages when people lived to around 26 or so. However, now the age of consent for most countries is considerable higher....16 for some states as well, not just Finland, but 18 for most. We are mainly talking about those who prey on children, not teen agers.

A pedophile who targets children 12 and younger is not fixable. They have a 100% recidivism rate and absolutely will harm children for as long as they can, and the part that is so bad is they truly believe that it is absolutely OK for them to do it. Their brains really are wired wrong.

Those are the ones we are talking about.

And the LOOOOOOVE Viagra, Cialis and Effexor. Fixes any chemical castration problems. They love 'treatment' too. It lets them relive their 'victories' for weeks, months or even years. And when they get out... they're very happy to get to be around children again. Plus... if caught again, they know how to game the system. "Oh officer, I tried to stop but I'm a SICK PERSON! I couldn't Stop Myself! Please help me before >giggle< I offend again!"

Rule #2: Double tap. Works for zombies and these monsters too.

 

[Lyte]

A teen is one thing. 13 used to be a marriageble age in the Middle Ages when people lived to around 26 or so. However, now the age of consent for most countries is considerable higher....16 for some states as well, not just Finland, but 18 for most. We are mainly talking about those who prey on children, not teen agers.

Actually if you look at post #10 you see that Chanel didn't make a distinction between pedophiles preying on teenagers and children. That is where this debate started.

A pedophile who targets children 12 and younger is not fixable. They have a 100% recidivism rate and absolutely will harm children for as long as they can, and the part that is so bad is they truly believe that it is absolutely OK for them to do it. Their brains really are wired wrong.

That has been my claim all along. Sexual predators are divided into 2 groups. To ones who act out their perversion, and to those "normals" who don't care about the age of consent.

 

[JBeukema]

Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hebephilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ephebophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Lyte]

Defending the child molesting pedophiles are you? Sympathies with their needs do you?

Read. Comprehend.

Pedophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hebephilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ephebophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ok, so the fancy names of those two groups of sexual predators are Pedophiles and Ephebophiles (Hebephiles are just a subgroup of Pedophiles).

 

[JBeukema]

(Hebephiles are just a subgroup of Pedophiles).

Try reading for comprehension

paedophilia -> prepubescent

hebephilia -> pubescent/early adolescence

ephebophila -> late adolescence

Teliophilia -> post-adolescent adults. Think 20s-30s, mostly

gerontophilia -> elderly persons. Think post-menopause

From the evolutionary perspective, it makes sense that females would tend to be teliophiles (it's common for girls to like older men, due to their being more promising mates/ rearers of childeren and also the female's faster mental development compared to the male's) while males would tend to be ephebophiles (with some attraction to those entering puberty) due to the fact they've more fertile years ahead of them

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Sociobiology-New-Synthesis-Twenty-Fifth-Anniversary/dp/0674002350]Amazon.com: Sociobiology: The New Synthesis, Twenty-Fifth Anniversary Edition (9780674002357): Edward O. Wilson: Books[/ame]

Evolutionary Psychology (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[whitehall]

It seems incredible but the US based pedifile organization NAMBLA (north american man-boy love association) still operates in the open in the US. Maybe it's homosexual nature makes it immune from scrutiny by the left wing media.

 

[chanel]

Here's chanel's advice to jb, the finland newbie, and any other sicko out there. If it is your "natural inclination" to lust after 12 year olds who look 18 or 18 year olds who look 12, be prepared for the consequences - be it criminal court or the court of public opinion. You are pedoscums. Own it. Oh and stay away from the playgrounds.

 

[JBeukema]

Chanel, do you intend to attack and make baseless accusations against anyone who introduces intellectual honesty into the discussion? Try to control your emotions and maybe you'll see that all I've done is provide accurate terminology and a scientific model of human behaviour. Of course, you probably didn't read past the first 3-syllable word, judging by the ignorance you continue to demonstrate.