Oops! Sorry Kids… Obama Forgot to Tell College Students He Cut Pell Grants Before Ele

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    Oops! Sorry Kids… Obama Forgot to Tell College Students He Cut Pell Grants Before Election​




    by Jim Hoft
    November 29, 2012

    During the election this year the Obama Campaign released this online ad targeting young voters.
    In the ad Obama told American youth that he kept his promise to make college more affordable.
    video:
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZHyyKJe_4]Keeping His Word: Making College Affordable - YouTube[/ame]

    He forgot to tell them he cut Pell Grants. The information was released this week.
    The Examiner reported:

    Sorry, college students. President Obama has cut your access to Pell Grants by 33%; he just forgot to mention it before Election Day.

    During the recent campaign, President Obama claimed credit for increasing funding to the Pell Grant program, which provides college funds, free from repayment, to millions of students. However, an email sent out Tuesday to some Dallas college students is revealing a detail the President forgot to mention: the time a student can receive a Pell Grant has been cut, by as much as three years. With Pell Grants for the fall semester now dispersed, colleges are informing students of their options, bringing the cuts to light.



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    Last I heard, Obama doubled Pell grants.
     
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    oh well, Obama promised them the world and look what they got..
    no grants, no jobs to go, but they got their Obama
    what a pity they didn't look into thing a little better
     
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    So, now people have to get an undergraduate degree within 6 years, instead of 9.

    Isn't this the sort of thing you guys love?
     
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    The email states that the cut in eligibility was part of an education bill President Obama signed into law in 2011. "On December 23, 2011, President Obama signed into law the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2012 (Public Law 112-74). This new federal law states that the amount of Federal Pell Grant funds a student may receive over his or her LIFETIME will be reduced to the duration of a student's eligibility from 18 semesters (or its equivalent) to 12 semesters (or its equivalent). This new law applies to ALL Federal Pell Grant eligible students effective with the 2012-2013 award year beginning July 1, 2012. (DCL-GEN-12-01)"

    The cut in grant eligibility has serious ramifications for non-traditional students[Part-time students who do not receive a full semester grant may lose out on funds if they do not earn an undergraduate degree within 12 semesters. Adults who go back to school, including retraining for a new career, will also have limited access to grants

    "Guess" you heard wrong, unless you can provide a credible link to your claim.
     
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    Why is it that I really believe you keep drinking that Kool-Aid?
    Here's a little more info on Oblamer cutting Pell subject.


    Obama will be responsible for cutting PELL Grants to students ​

    04/12/11

    Yes, the article is a little old, so do not shoot me...and its from a website called the Republic......but heard on NPR that Obama supported the cutting of Pell Grants so went out on the web to find out it it was true...more or less..

    Wait, Who's Cutting Pell Grants? And Why?

    Reports that President Obama’s budget request would cut Pell Grant funding first began to circulate over the weekend.

    If you happened to see those stories, you may have reacted the way I did: What? Wasn’t the whole point of the Obama budget to spend more money on education? Isn’t this just as bad as what the Republicans are doing?

    And if you happen to be a college student, you may had a more practical and urgent question: What’s going to happen to my financial aid?

    It's not easy to sort this out. But the quick answer seems to be that, if Obama gets his way, Pell Grants would provide basically the same academic-year assistance to basically the same population that it does now.

    The one key difference would be additional grants available to students who study year-round and take extra classes. They are a new, unexpectedly popular feature of the Pell Grant program: About 800,000 Pell Grant participants are using them. Obama's budget would end those grants starting in the summer of 2012.

    But Obama's proposed reduction comes after two years of bolstering student aid. No less important, Obama's cut is far smaller than the reduction than the GOP would impose.

    Although House Republicans haven't provided details of their long-term plans for the program, their rhetoric and their existing proposals suggest they would cut Pell Grant funding at least in half. Awards would drop dramatically, starting with this fall's grants, and making it difficult if not impossible for millions of students to attend college.

    Why is that? A long, wonky explanation follows. It is based on conversations with people familiar with education funding and the budget process, including one senior administration official.

    Let’s start by clarifying that there are actually two separate, but related issues here. The first is about what happens for the remainder of the fiscal year, which ends in September. Does Congress pass spending bills that would give the program $24 billion in annual funding, as Obama proposed in last year's budget, or does it reduce spending so that the annual allotment comes to $17.5 billion, as the House Republicans on Friday proposed.

    Obama's requested funding would preserve the program, as is, through the end of the 2011-2012 academic year. The same people would be eligible for it and they would get the same grants.

    The Republican alternative, by contrast, would require substantial changes. Grants would fall by about 15 percent, according to the Institute for College Access and Success (TICAS). For the 2011-2012 academic year, which starts in September, the maximum possible grant would apparently fall from $5,550 to $4,705, unless Republicans instead decided to somehow limit eligibility.

    Keep in mind that Pell Grants are for students in need—and there are a lot of students in need right now. High unemployment means you have a lot of young people who have gone to college because jobs aren't available and a lot of families who can't pay tuition bills because their incomes have fallen. At the same time, revenue-starved states are raising tuition at public colleges and universities in order to cover their own costs. In all, 8 million students got Pell Grants this year.

    Also keep in mind the calendar. If you’re a college student or the parent of one—or if you have been in the past—then you know the time to make plans for this coming fall is now. Particularly if the debate over spending drags on past March, students, families, and college officials are going to have a real problem making financial arrangements.

    Beyond this academic year, things get a little more complicated. If Congress were to give Obama the spending reduction he's just proposed, the program’s annual funding in fiscal 2012 would be $36 billion—a lot more than the $24 billion he requested for the current fiscal year but still less than the $44 billion it would apparently take to continue funding the program at current levels.Obama is seeking this reduction, in part, to keep overall non-defense discretionary spending at present levels--a commitment I really wish he hadn't made, precisely because it would result in some painful spending reductions.

    Where would Obama find the savings? Some would come from ending a loan interest subsidy and some would come from improving income verification, moves even student advocates aren't protesting. The other big change is in those supplemental grants.

    Under current law, students who take classes for three instead of the usual two terms can get an extra grant, as long as they also end up with more than a full academic year of credits. These grants only became available a year ago, in the 2009-2010 academic year. But the program was a lot more expensive than anticipated.

    In all, around one-tenth students receiving Pell Grants get the supplemental money. And insofar as less funding means they won't be able to take year-round classes, it will have an impact on them, as David Leonhardt explains at New York Times Economix blog:

    The elimination of Pell grants for summer courses during college seems riskier. The typical college student today is not the traditional college student who finishes in four years. Many are working at the same time and need to organize their classes around their work schedules. For them, summer classes can make a big difference.


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    Doc, where do you get the 9 vs 6 years?

    CA colleges leave a lot to be desired, if CA is what you refer to.
     
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    Clearly, the source you heard it from (Obama) is not reliable.
     
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    Obama and Democrats hates education

    calling Rdean..
     
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