Ontario phasing out coal fired generation

Discussion in 'Environment' started by Old Rocks, Oct 17, 2010.

  1. Old Rocks
    Offline

    Old Rocks Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    46,612
    Thanks Received:
    5,429
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    Ratings:
    +10,413
    Pembina reacts to Ontario plan to further cut coal power generation | Pembina Institute

    TORONTO, ON — Tim Weis, director of the Pembina Institute's renewable energy program, made the following statement in response to the Ontario government's announcement today of plans to shut down four additional units of coal power production:

    "Today's announcement represents another significant step away from the use of coal to generate electricity — and a step toward cleaner air, fewer greenhouse gas emissions, and a more renewable energy supply for Ontarians.

    "Shutting down these four units of coal power production will reduce the amount of electricity produced by burning coal in Ontario by another forty per cent, bringing us that much closer to our goal of phasing out coal power completely by 2014 — or even sooner.

    "Skeptics have argued that replacing traditional thermal power plants like coal with a variety of renewable and efficiency options would be impossible, but Ontario's ambitious efforts are proving it is both practical, and technically doable. Ontario is setting an important example that the rest of North America can and should follow."
     
  2. Mad Scientist
    Offline

    Mad Scientist Deplorable Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    23,940
    Thanks Received:
    5,212
    Trophy Points:
    270
    Ratings:
    +7,684
    So they reduced output by 40%, that would mean the cost would go up 40%? The article states that it will be replaced by wind and solar so are those plants up and running? Or is that just the plan? I noticed Nuclear Power wasn't mentioned. Not "green' enough? No, it's not impossible to replace coal with wind and/or solar but who will be able to afford it?

    My wife and I lived near Palm Springs in California where they had a huge wind mill farm, we also paid the highest electricity rates ever.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  3. CrusaderFrank
    Offline

    CrusaderFrank Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    81,269
    Thanks Received:
    14,920
    Trophy Points:
    2,210
    Ratings:
    +37,076
    Economic suicide.

    Why listen to Progressives?
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  4. westwall
    Offline

    westwall USMB Mod Staff Member Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2010
    Messages:
    41,043
    Thanks Received:
    7,989
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Location:
    Nevada
    Ratings:
    +19,805
    That's GREAT. Canada can be the crash test dummy for the technology and we get to see how it affects them. How much higher the energy costs become etc. And for once it doesn't cost us!

    I do feel sad for our Canadian friends though, they're going to get screwed.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  5. Mr. H.
    Offline

    Mr. H. Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    44,127
    Thanks Received:
    9,267
    Trophy Points:
    2,030
    Location:
    A warm place with no memory.
    Ratings:
    +15,418
    Fascinating. I wish there was more to that article.
     
  6. Trajan
    Offline

    Trajan conscientia mille testes

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2010
    Messages:
    29,048
    Thanks Received:
    4,751
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    The Bay Area Soviet
    Ratings:
    +4,756
    so this 40% will be made up how? Exactly?
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  7. westwall
    Offline

    westwall USMB Mod Staff Member Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2010
    Messages:
    41,043
    Thanks Received:
    7,989
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Location:
    Nevada
    Ratings:
    +19,805
    I almost forgot to mention that the Pembina Institute is quite obviously a left wing non-profit and guess what? They get most of their money from the Canadian taxpayer.

    Just once I would like to see these fools make a living themselves off of the public tit.
     
  8. Old Rocks
    Offline

    Old Rocks Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    46,612
    Thanks Received:
    5,429
    Trophy Points:
    1,840
    Location:
    Portland, Ore.
    Ratings:
    +10,413
    Ontario Power Generation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    OPG is Canada's largest owner of nuclear power plants with responsibility for operating the Pickering A, Pickering B, and Darlington nuclear generating stations in Ontario. OPG also owns the Bruce A and Bruce B nuclear stations. The Bruce A and Bruce B stations are currently on a long term lease to Bruce Power since May 2001. The lease is set to expire in 2018 but can be extended for an additional 25 years.

    OPG is proposing to construct and operate a deep geologic repository on the Bruce Nuclear site, adjacent to its present Western Waste Management Facility. The repository would provide permanent storage of low- and intermediate-level radioactive waste produced from the operation of the Bruce, Pickering, and Darlington nuclear generating stations. In 2005, OPG initiated the regulatory approval process. The first steps are a comprehensive environmental assessment by the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency (CEAA),[8] and an application for a site preparation and construction license from the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission. As of early 2008, CEAA was preparing guidelines for the review process.

    OPG has also begun the process for building up to four new nuclear units at the site of its Darlington Nuclear Station. There is a lengthy approvals process in place, including a full Environmental Assessment which will take 3–4 years to complete. If everything goes well, the new units would go into service in 2018. No decision has yet been made on what technology the new reactors will use.

    After conducting studies to determine the feasibility of refurbishing the 4 reactors at the Pickering B nuclear generating station. In February 2010 an announcement was made that they would be kept in good repair until 2020 but would not undergo a full refurbishment as it would not be economical. The 4 reactors at Pickering B represent over 2,000 megawatts of generating capacity. The two operating reactors at Pickering A will also close in 2020. The four reactors at Darlington will be refurbished as their performance and size makes this economically desirable.[9]

    [edit] Alternative energy
    OPG owns and operates or contracts some limited alternative electricity generation through two wind power sites as well as two solar power sites. The company is currently exploring the use of biomass as a carbon neutral energy source that could replace some or all of the coal being burned at some of Ontario's coal-fired generating stations. However, OPG's development of green power sources has been limited as the government does not want OPG to compete against private companies in the anticipated lucrative environmentally friendly power market and has stopped OPG from making any proposals in this area[10].
     
  9. Oddball
    Offline

    Oddball BANNED Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    41,428
    Thanks Received:
    8,397
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Drinking wine, eating cheese, catching rays
    Ratings:
    +8,409
    I wonder if they're going to phase out cadmium mining, too. :rolleyes:
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  10. Toro
    Offline

    Toro Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2005
    Messages:
    50,786
    Thanks Received:
    11,059
    Trophy Points:
    2,030
    Location:
    The Big Bend via Riderville
    Ratings:
    +25,119
    They are probably the only people in Alberta opposed to oil sands development.

    IOW, nobody pays much attention to them out West.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1

Share This Page