Once Upon a Time, the DOJ Argued the Presidential Records Act Gave a President Massive Authority Over His Records

[Skylar]

A grand jury does not need unanimous agreement to indict. A grand jury is only concerned with probably cause of the prosecution. There is no defendant in a grand jury proceeding and is therefore not allowed legal representation. There is no duty for a grand jury proceeding to present any exculpatory evidence as well. In this case, the grand jury did find enough evidence to go forward with the prosecution but then, we know that the DOJ, FBI and Democrat party has made up evidence against Trump in the past.

In comparison to what? You disagreeing?

And what evidence are you imagining that the FBI made up? Trump tried that baseless claim last year. It didn't work out well.

Perhaps you'll do better.

 

[Leo123]

You can't lie to authorities. You can't compel other people to lie. You can't defy subpoenas.

And nothing in the article relates to documents with classified markings. These were tapes that were made as a source for a book being written after Clinton left office.

Not classified national security docs.



Good luck with whataboutry as a legal defense.

The FBI lied to a FISA court and used a fake dossier to 'compel other people to lie.'

 

[Skylar]

The FBI lied to a FISA court and used a fake dossier to 'compel other people to lie.'

Notice that you avoid the evidence against Trump like it were on fire.

You should probably take a look at it eventually. Not that your willful ignorance will have any impact on any legal outcome.

 

[Leo123]

In comparison to what? You disagreeing?

And what evidence are you imagining that the FBI made up? Trump tried that baseless claim last year. It didn't work out well.

Perhaps you'll do better.

Judging by the 3 years of the fake Russiagate investigation, they probably made up most of it. Trump broke no law did not commit espionage and I doubt that 'tape' exists. They're trying to go after him for box misplacement basically, an archives issue that carries no criminal charges and never has. They lied over and over, mounted a one-party impeachment and illegally wiretapped him. They even faked a case against Gen Flynn because he was going to go after corruption in the defense sector.

 

[Skylar]

Judging by the 3 years of the fake Russiagate investigation, they probably made up most of it. Trump broke no law did not commit espionage and I doubt that 'tape' exists.

So, nothing. Just you ignoring the evidence.

Laughing......good luck with that as a defense in court.

 

[Leo123]

So, nothing. Just you ignoring the evidence.

Laughing......good luck with that as a defense in court.

Fake 'evidence' should be ignored. Most of the indictment is nothing but count stacking anyway. They know Trump is innocent but, they hope this indictment will change election results. They are interfering with an election under color of law, banana republic shit.

 

[Skylar]

Fake 'evidence' should be ignored. Most of the indictment is nothing but count stacking anyway. They know Trump is innocent but, they hope this indictment will change election results. They are interfering with an election under color of law, banana republic shit.

Fake....according to who?

Is it you citing yourself? Its you citing yourself, isn't it?

 

[Leo123]

Fake....according to who?

Is it you citing yourself? Its you citing yourself, isn't it?

Common sense. No POTUS has ever been threatened with jail for misplacing boxes of documents. They know this that's why now we are hearing about a supposed 'tape' with Trump supposedly talking about classifying and declassifying. The whole thing is a ridiculous dog and pony show. A POTUS has sole authority to classify or declassify anything at any time. These D.C. fuckers will lie or do anything to kill Trump's campaign and possible 2nd term. We have seen FBI people saying a Trump presidency can't happen. You have to be blind or so compromised by your personal hatred of Trump not to see what is right in front of your face.

 

[Leo123]

Fake....according to who?

Is it you citing yourself? Its you citing yourself, isn't it?

Screw you, read my posts.

 

[Skylar]

Common sense. No POTUS has ever been threatened with jail for misplacing boxes of documents. They know this that's why now we are hearing about a supposed 'tape' with Trump supposedly talking about classifying and declassifying. The whole thing is a ridiculous dog and pony show. A POTUS has sole authority to classify or declassify anything at any time. These D.C. fuckers will lie or do anything to kill Trump's campaign and possible 2nd term. We have seen FBI people saying a Trump presidency can't happen. You have to be blind or so compromised by your personal hatred of Trump not to see what is right in front of your face.

And by 'common sense', you mean your imagination.

You get that your imagination isn't a legal standard, yes?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Common sense. No POTUS has ever been threatened with jail for misplacing boxes of documents. They know this that's why now we are hearing about a supposed 'tape' with Trump supposedly talking about classifying and declassifying. The whole thing is a ridiculous dog and pony show. A POTUS has sole authority to classify or declassify anything at any time. These D.C. fuckers will lie or do anything to kill Trump's campaign and possible 2nd term. We have seen FBI people saying a Trump presidency can't happen. You have to be blind or so compromised by your personal hatred of Trump not to see what is right in front of your face.

That's just it, he didn't misplace them. He tried to willfully keep them. The sad part is, Trump Humpers don't care if the broke the law or not.

 

[Leo123]

And by 'common sense', you mean your imagination.

You get that your imagination isn't a legal standard, yes?

Show the 'legal standard' that says a POTUS can't declassify documents at any time. Show the evidence that Trump was going to commit espionage as claimed. Show any evidence that Trump's box misplacement cause any real problems whatsoever except for clerical disagreement which Trump was negotiating when he got raided.

 

[westwall]

Trump isn't the POTUS.

Next piece of pseudo-legal gibberish, please.



As Trump admitted on tape, he didn't classify.

Next piece of pseudo-legal gibberish, please.



Show us the exception for former presidents in the Espionage Act.

I'm in my comfy chair. I've got tea. I'll wait.

The Espionage Act is FOR EVERYONE ELSE BUT the President, you twit.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Show the 'legal standard' that says a POTUS can't declassify documents at any time. Show the evidence that Trump was going to commit espionage as claimed. Show any evidence that Trump's box misplacement cause any real problems whatsoever except for clerical disagreement which Trump was negotiating when he got raided.

You will have to wait until the trial for all of that evidence to be presented or can you show us the evidence that proves he is not guilty of what he has been charged with. Item by item.

 

[westwall]

That's just it, he didn't misplace them. He tried to willfully keep them. The sad part is, Trump Humpers don't care if the broke the law or not.

No, what is sad is you idiots don't even know what the law is. The law specifically says the President can classify or declassify at will. That Espionage Act applies to everyone BUT the President, you fucking ignorant toad.

 

[Marener]

You are going the Beria route with Trump, finding the crime because of the person.

That’s more accurately applied to Ken Starr than Jack Smith.

This isn’t a situation where the DoJ was just looking for anything. It started because NARA had to keep harassing his staff to get important documents back to be saved in the archives. Once NARA found classified documents, they got the DoJ involved.

Are you surprised that the DoJ would take this seriously and demand the classified documents back?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

The Espionage Act is FOR EVERYONE ELSE BUT the President, you twit.

Can you point it out for me.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​

 

[Superbadbrutha]

No, what is sad is you idiots don't even know what the law is. The law specifically says the President can classify or declassify at will. That Espionage Act applies to everyone BUT the President, you fucking ignorant toad.

He is not being charged for classifying or declassifying information. Are you saying that a President can declassify ANY document and take it with him when he leaves the WH?

 

[Leo123]

That’s more accurately applied to Ken Starr than Jack Smith.

This isn’t a situation where the DoJ was just looking for anything. It started because NARA had to keep harassing his staff to get important documents back to be saved in the archives. Once NARA found classified documents, they got the DoJ involved.

Are you surprised that the DoJ would take this seriously and demand the classified documents back?

Trump was negotiating with them as to what documents were to be sent back. He has said that consistently from the beginning. You are parroting spin. Frankly, I think the DOJ was looking for the Crossfire Hurricane Docs.

 

[Marener]

Trump was negotiating with them as to what documents were to be sent back. He has said that consistently from the beginning. You are parroting spin. Frankly, I think the DOJ was looking for the Crossfire Hurricane Docs.

There wasn’t a negotiation. He received a grand jury subpoena for all documents with classified markings.

End of negotiation.

Trump is a liar, so what he says isn’t all that important.