Oklahoma Passes Bill Banning ALL Abortions - No Rape Exceptions - 10 years in Prison for Performing one

[Ray From Cleveland]

Where is the right to anything not specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights? The Ninth Amendment makes it clear that the rights of the people don't have to be mentioned specifically in the Constitution.

Is it your claim that the Constitution doesn't require government to protect any rights outside the very few specifically cited? If you read the Federalist Papers you'll see that was the opposite of the authors' intent. They wanted to obligate government to protect - and let's not be coy here, "protect" means "stay the fuck away from" - all our rights. They wanted to turn the tables with the novel concept that people should be free to do whatever they want as long as they're not violating the rights of others. And the state should be limited to very specific powers.

What the 9th says is that rights are not specifically for the Bil of Rights only, and that it's also not written to deny other rights. However, a right would have to be written somewhere in order for the 9th to apply, wouldn't you think? After all, if we all make up our own set of rights, does the 9th protect each one? For instance I believe a police officer should have the right to shoot any criminal running away from him or her. If they don't have that right, why not if I (and they) believe it's their right to do so?

 

[dblack]

However, a right would have to be written somewhere in order for the 9th to apply, wouldn't you think?

No. The point of the 9th is that they don't have to be written somewhere.

After all, if we all make up our own set of rights, does the 9th protect each one? For instance I believe a police officer should have the right to shoot any criminal running away from him or her. If they don't have that right, why not if I (and they) believe it's their right to do so?

Rights aren't "made up". They are innate freedoms that we're all born with.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No. The point of the 9th is that they don't have to be written somewhere.



Rights aren't "made up". They are innate freedoms that we're all born with.

And we are born with the right to kill a fetus?

 

[dblack]

And we are born with the right to kill a fetus?

We're born with the right to control our own bodies. The womb is not public property. A fetus becomes a legal person on the day it is born. Before that, it is an extension of, the property of, the mother. We might not like what a woman decides to do with her life, but we have no right to force her to procreate against her will.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We're born with the right to control our own bodies. The womb is not public property. A fetus becomes a legal person on the day it is born. Before that, it is an extension of, the property of, the mother. We might not like what a woman decides to do with her life, but we have no right to force her to procreate against her will.

Okay, but others don't feel the same way. They believe a fetus has rights as well, and if you don't believe a fetus has a right, don't the people that feel abortion is murder is their right under the 9th amendment?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

In that light, all dangerous and deadly recreational narcotics should be legal. If the Constitution protects what you do with your own body, killing yourself for kicks should be included.

All these abortion threads all boil down to the same thing: Is a fetus a living human being. That can never be solved because it's a matter of opinion. Even the courts realize this. You can bring 50 doctors or 50 scientists to testify in court, and some will say a fetus is a human being and others will say not.

So no court can't legitimately say it's you body--your choice because some may consider the fetus as a human being. In my state (and many others) if you get drunk, hit a car and kill a pregnant woman, you will be charged with two murders. Well.......how can that be if a fetus is not legallly considered a human being?

Don't get tangled up in nonsense. A fetus is a development stage of a human being. Because it is nothing else. No matter how many tests and examinations performed the results will be human. Human blood, organs, DNA, human everything. Which doesn't mean killing the child can't be acceptable.

 

[Nostra]

Abortion is murder. Pretty simple.

 

[YoursTruly]

problem solved if there is no exception for rape

I think there should be one more exception. And that's if the baby is developing in a bad way. Severe retardation, disfigured, incurable illness or something that's not going to allow it any decent life.

 

[YoursTruly]

Adam did not have a belly-button either!

Neither did his first wife Lilith.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Yeah, and California is such a beacon of hope…

I swear I can’t retire fast enough to leave this country…

I too hope you leave this country as fast as you can.

 

[Rogue AI]

So if you want to father a kid, whether the woman wants one or not, but you want to pass your genes along, head for Oklahoma. You can have your way in the "Sooner" state and nothing she can do about it.

They didn't legalize rape. Are you people intentionally being stupid?

 

[YoursTruly]

So if you want to father a kid, whether the woman wants one or not, but you want to pass your genes along, head for Oklahoma. You can have your way in the "Sooner" state and nothing she can do about it.

And in all 50 states, a woman get lie about having sex with a man, then claim she was raped and have him put in jail if he don't buy her a new car or pay her phone bill.

 

[White 6]

They didn't legalize rape. Are you people intentionally being stupid?

No. They are between 10th and 12th on rape in the country as is. They just sentence their victims to carry their seed to term or face legal consequences, as one rule fits all.

 

[Rogue AI]

No. They are between 10th and 12th on rape in the country as is. They just sentence their victims to carry their seed to term or face legal consequences, as one rule fits all.

One size fits all is all rage in liberal circles. Precisely how often is this the case? Is it truly common enough for legitimate concern?

 

[White 6]

One size fits all is all rage in liberal circles. Precisely how often is this the case? Is it truly common enough for legitimate concern?

Is it uncommon enough in a state of their national rape rating to not take it into account. Heck, you would think the laws were being written by wealthy old men.

 

[Rogue AI]

Is it uncommon enough in a state of their national rape rating to not take it into account. Heck, you would think the laws were being written by wealthy old men.

They didn't ban the morning after pill, so recourse is available. Sounds like something you folks should circle the wagons on instead of senseless and meaninglessly trying to denigrate legislators who are acting in the interests of their constituents.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well it's a done deal now. Roe vs Wade is now part of our history.

 

[Ordinary Guy]

This is total insanity. Roe versus Wade came into being because of egregious abortion laws, and this law has to be the most egregious of all. On the news yesterday a woman who wanted to have a child and her husband just found out that the baby she was carrying was unviable at 23 weeks so she had to have an abortion. And going to the clinic, anti-abortion protesters further tormented her. This is why abortion should be a medical issue between a person and their doctor and the government should stay the hell out of the situation. They just f*** everything up.

It started with Obamacare, too bad you were to shallow to see it then

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Rape victims shouldn’t have to carry the child if they do not want to…

Christofascism Is Slavery to Circumstances

It's consistent with the doctrine that if God didn't want her to have a child, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant from the rape.

 

[White 6]

Christofascism Is Slavery to Circumstances

It's consistent with the doctrine that if God didn't want her to have a child, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant.

Try using that argument in court.