Ohio Joins The Attempt To Shit on The Constitution and Eliminate The Electoral College

[Pogo]

Your vote in Ohio went towards the national popular vote. It was counted

With an Electoral Vote, anyone in Ohio who voted for Hillary had their vote registered for Trump

That is disenfranchised

That's the way winner takes all works. The voters have their electoral votes go to the winner of that state.

Our vote did not count if we voted differently than the rest of the country. That's as ridiculous of a claim that anybody could ever make. Hillary won the popular vote with the excess in California. That would mean California last election would have chosen where our elector votes went. That is disenfranchisement because they chose our winner, not the citizens of our state.

Nope, it doesn't mean that at all. What you're leaving out of the equation, probably intentionally, is that if we ran such a system EVERYTHING changes in the vote totals. Literally millions of people vote who didn't bother to before, because suddenly their vote is going to matter ---- EVEN IF THEY LIVE IN A SO-CALLED "RED" OR "BLUE" STATE. But you choose to ignore that and pretend that the vote of California (or anywhere else) would be exactly the same as it was under a totally different system. And that's just dishonest.

Totally irrelevant. So what if we did have the same results? It would mean the same thing: another state chose our winner instead of us.

You don't seem to follow the idea. NO, "another state" would not choose the winner, the COUNTRY would choose the winner. Collectively.

Your vote in Ohio went towards the national popular vote. It was counted

With an Electoral Vote, anyone in Ohio who voted for Hillary had their vote registered for Trump

That is disenfranchised

That's the way winner takes all works. The voters have their electoral votes go to the winner of that state.

Our vote did not count if we voted differently than the rest of the country. That's as ridiculous of a claim that anybody could ever make. Hillary won the popular vote with the excess in California. That would mean California last election would have chosen where our elector votes went. That is disenfranchisement because they chose our winner, not the citizens of our state.

And now there would be a nationwide winner takes all

There are a lot more votes to be won than California

Yes there would be which is unconstitutional. You need an amendment for winner take all, not some small group of losers who can't win by the rules any longer.

AGAIN ---- nothing "unconstitutional" about " in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct". That specifically states that literally anything is Constitutional. It is unqualified, unlimited and wide open.

POTUS is chosen by the people through the states. This way each region of our large nation has a voice. We cannot allow California and New York to run the nation. They are already fucked up enough.

New York IS where Rump came from, granted. But you can't blame the whole state for that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You don't seem to follow the idea. NO, "another state" would not choose the winner, the COUNTRY would choose the winner. Collectively.

No, because the overage mostly took place in CA. Therefore they would be making our choice for us if this law was ever reality.

AGAIN ---- nothing "unconstitutional" about " in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct". That specifically states that literally anything is Constitutional. It is unqualified, unlimited and wide open.

You cannot legislate that majority of a state will not be counted and say it's constitutional. What if we in Ohio decided to legislate that black votes will not be counted? Nothing unconstitutional about that as long as "legislature directed it" huh?

 

[rightwinger]

What do you think the EC does?

If you are a Republican in a Blue State, your vote gets registered for the Democratic Candidate

You have been disenfranchised

No, not the same thing. If your candidate loses the state election by popular vote, you just lost, that's all. Losing is not disenfranchisement.

However having a law that says it doesn't matter how the majority vote, they lose anyway if the country votes the opposite way is disenfranchising the majority of voters.

Your vote in Ohio went towards the national popular vote. It was counted

With an Electoral Vote, anyone in Ohio who voted for Hillary had their vote registered for Trump

That is disenfranchised

That's the way winner takes all works. The voters have their electoral votes go to the winner of that state.

Our vote did not count if we voted differently than the rest of the country. That's as ridiculous of a claim that anybody could ever make. Hillary won the popular vote with the excess in California. That would mean California last election would have chosen where our elector votes went. That is disenfranchisement because they chose our winner, not the citizens of our state.

And now there would be a nationwide winner takes all

There are a lot more votes to be won than California

Yes there would be which is unconstitutional. You need an amendment for winner take all, not some small group of losers who can't win by the rules any longer.

The Constitution already covers it

It is left to the individual states how they allocate their EVs

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, not the same thing. If your candidate loses the state election by popular vote, you just lost, that's all. Losing is not disenfranchisement.

However having a law that says it doesn't matter how the majority vote, they lose anyway if the country votes the opposite way is disenfranchising the majority of voters.

Your vote in Ohio went towards the national popular vote. It was counted

With an Electoral Vote, anyone in Ohio who voted for Hillary had their vote registered for Trump

That is disenfranchised

That's the way winner takes all works. The voters have their electoral votes go to the winner of that state.

Our vote did not count if we voted differently than the rest of the country. That's as ridiculous of a claim that anybody could ever make. Hillary won the popular vote with the excess in California. That would mean California last election would have chosen where our elector votes went. That is disenfranchisement because they chose our winner, not the citizens of our state.

And now there would be a nationwide winner takes all

There are a lot more votes to be won than California

Yes there would be which is unconstitutional. You need an amendment for winner take all, not some small group of losers who can't win by the rules any longer.

The Constitution already covers it

It is left to the individual states how they allocate their EVs

Well obviously Ohio's Constitution doesn't allow it. Otherwise this push for an amendment wouldn't be in the works.

 

[theHawk]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Of course Dems would support screwing over the results of an election and the will of the people. They are saying that if a candidate wins a state, the electoral vote will be changed to the exact opposite outcome based on how other people in other states vote. Tyranny at its finest.

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

 

[rightwinger]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Of course Dems would support screwing over the results of an election and the will of the people. They are saying that if a candidate wins a state, the electoral vote will be changed to the exact opposite outcome based on how other people in other states vote. Tyranny at its finest.

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Of course Dems would support screwing over the results of an election and the will of the people. They are saying that if a candidate wins a state, the electoral vote will be changed to the exact opposite outcome based on how other people in other states vote. Tyranny at its finest.

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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[BlindBoo]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Of course Dems would support screwing over the results of an election and the will of the people. They are saying that if a candidate wins a state, the electoral vote will be changed to the exact opposite outcome based on how other people in other states vote. Tyranny at its finest.

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

 

[M14 Shooter]

"This is the fully constitutional way..."

Except it isn't.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Of course Dems would support screwing over the results of an election and the will of the people. They are saying that if a candidate wins a state, the electoral vote will be changed to the exact opposite outcome based on how other people in other states vote. Tyranny at its finest.

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

So your hugely important point that you just HAD to post about was that the asswipe who runs the group says it's legal and a great idea?

How very enlightening. And?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So your hugely important point that you just HAD to post about was that the asswipe who runs the group says it's legal and a great idea?

Kinda like quoting Hitler as a justification for hating Jews.

 

[BlindBoo]

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

So your hugely important point that you just HAD to post about was that the asswipe who runs the group says it's legal and a great idea?

How very enlightening. And?

That's why I marked my post "Hugely Important"

 

[Cecilie1200]

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

So your hugely important point that you just HAD to post about was that the asswipe who runs the group says it's legal and a great idea?

How very enlightening. And?

That's why I marked my post "Hugely Important"

Posting it implies that you're saying something you consider important and meaningful.

It wasn't.

 

[Pogo]

You don't seem to follow the idea. NO, "another state" would not choose the winner, the COUNTRY would choose the winner. Collectively.

No, because the overage mostly took place in CA. Therefore they would be making our choice for us if this law was ever reality.

AGAIN ---- nothing "unconstitutional" about " in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct". That specifically states that literally anything is Constitutional. It is unqualified, unlimited and wide open.

You cannot legislate that majority of a state will not be counted and say it's constitutional. What if we in Ohio decided to legislate that black votes will not be counted? Nothing unconstitutional about that as long as "legislature directed it" huh?

Too late for that. In 2016 in your neighbor Michigan (for one) the majority was not counted, and it was Constitutional. Interestingly in Michigan, state Democrat legislators had in the past arranged for its EC to reflect the popular vote proportionally, until later Republicans dumped it and went to WTA.

And that --- the majority not being counted --- also took place in my state, in Cecile's state, in Florida, in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, in Colorado, and in at least seven other states too, and they were ALL Constitutional because they all exist under the same clause of the same Constitution.

That's the turd that WTA plops out.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Of course Dems would support screwing over the results of an election and the will of the people. They are saying that if a candidate wins a state, the electoral vote will be changed to the exact opposite outcome based on how other people in other states vote. Tyranny at its finest.

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

It doesn't matter what he says, it matters what the Supreme Court says.

 

[BlindBoo]

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

So your hugely important point that you just HAD to post about was that the asswipe who runs the group says it's legal and a great idea?

How very enlightening. And?

That's why I marked my post "Hugely Important"

Posting it implies that you're saying something you consider important and meaningful.

It wasn't.

I understand you were just being a sarcastic snot, you had to post your first snide comments because they were important enough for you to post them. So yeah, for whatever reasons I posted that, it was enough. Not that it was hugely or important, or meaningful in any sort of way other than to me. But is it important enough to hit Post....,, mmmmmm fuck I donno, I already type the shit out so .... .here goes.....

 

[BlindBoo]

But look at it this way, if the Trumpublicans win the popular vote, think of the bragging rights to the landslide victory in the EC the Trumpublicans would have. Faux's Anchor's would have on-air orgasms.

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

It doesn't matter what he says, it matters what the Supreme Court says.

Unless Congress gives it's consent of course.

 

[Pogo]

"This is the fully constitutional way..."

Except it isn't.

Except it is, and it's been documented as such. Chapter and verse Your task is to disprove it.

That is, your task after the task you abandoned claiming that Lesh was celebrating murder, which you STILL can't document.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

So your hugely important point that you just HAD to post about was that the asswipe who runs the group says it's legal and a great idea?

How very enlightening. And?

That's why I marked my post "Hugely Important"

Posting it implies that you're saying something you consider important and meaningful.

It wasn't.

I understand you were just being a sarcastic snot, you had to post your first snide comments because they were important enough for you to post them. So yeah, for whatever reasons I posted that, it was enough. Not that it was hugely or important, or meaningful in any sort of way other than to me. But is it important enough to hit Post....,, mmmmmm fuck I donno, I already type the shit out so .... .here goes.....

You are correct that I had to post because I thought it was important. I always think it's important to point out useless BS when I see it. You may not agree; other people do.

However, in this case, it's relevant to notice that your post actually had no real point to it. It provided no information that wasn't already known, nor did it express your opinion.

Oh, really? The guy fronting the push for the NPV Compact thinks it's a good idea? You don't say? That certainly puts a new spin on things.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The Presidency has never been about the popular vote.

President Trump won 30 of 50 states. You can cry about millions of extra votes in deep blue states like California and New York all you want.
If we had a national popular vote it would only encourage ballot stuffing in every state and corruption would win elections. Would you like it if deep red states threw out all their Dem votes and added more Republican ones?

The Presidency is about Electoral votes decided by the states

If the states change how they decide, it is their decision

Well this group of losers called it quits so we will never know. Good luck next time losers!


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In a statement released Tuesday, National Popular Vote, the group pushing for states to adopt the compact, praised the move by Oregon's state Senate.
"This is the fully constitutional way to ensure that every voter is politically relevant in every presidential election while preserving the Electoral College as the founders intended," John Koza, the group's chairman, said.

Oregon could be the next state to OK sending electoral votes to winner of the popular vote - CNNPolitics

It doesn't matter what he says, it matters what the Supreme Court says.

Unless Congress gives it's consent of course.

Well, no, that's a separate issue. Constitutionally, Congress DOES need to agree to compacts among the states, but even if it does agree with this compact, the Supreme Court can still say that they're violating various rights of the people and overreaching their delegated powers.