Ohh Chris?

[L.K.Eder]

What debate? The consensus on man made global warming has been pushed by governments who see it as another cash cow to raise tax revenues. The studies produced by scientists who remain sceptical of mm global warming are ignored – and there are thousands of scientists who take that position.

There is no debate. Only the claim of consensus, which historically has been the first refuge of scoundrels. It is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice is still melting.

Why?

.... and the deserts are freezing ... hmmm ... explain that one.

yes, deserts can be freezing cold, at night.
then there are icy deserts, they are cold even at daytime.
other deserts get warm enough to burn you when the sun rises.

hmm. fascinating.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The planet is warming, period (it has been since the last mini ice age of the 1600's (1700's ?) the only debate is; is it all natural, or is it AGW? And no, 2-3 years years of cooling hasn't come close to a cooling trend or wiped out the warming that's taken place. We are now during more fossil fuels than any other time in this planets life, period.

What debate? The consensus on man made global warming has been pushed by governments who see it as another cash cow to raise tax revenues. The studies produced by scientists who remain sceptical of mm global warming are ignored – and there are thousands of scientists who take that position.

There is no debate. Only the claim of consensus, which historically has been the first refuge of scoundrels. It is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice is still melting.

Why?

STILL WAITING CHRIS. Explain why there was any ice to melt in 1950 when from the early 20's to the late 40's the temperatures were higher then now in the arctic and for a MUCH longer time? Come on explain THAT.

 

[Chris]

What debate? The consensus on man made global warming has been pushed by governments who see it as another cash cow to raise tax revenues. The studies produced by scientists who remain sceptical of mm global warming are ignored – and there are thousands of scientists who take that position.

There is no debate. Only the claim of consensus, which historically has been the first refuge of scoundrels. It is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice is still melting.

Why?

STILL WAITING CHRIS. Explain why there was any ice to melt in 1950 when from the early 20's to the late 40's the temperatures were higher then now in the arctic and for a MUCH longer time? Come on explain THAT.

Link?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice is still melting.

Why?

STILL WAITING CHRIS. Explain why there was any ice to melt in 1950 when from the early 20's to the late 40's the temperatures were higher then now in the arctic and for a MUCH longer time? Come on explain THAT.

Link?

Ohh your going to PLAY that game, already provided repeatedly in the other thread where this started you lying dumb ass.

 

[code1211]

See?!!?!?!???

It doesn't matter what the weather does. Any which way the weather goes, it's all the fault of industrial man in general, and America in particular!!!

Isn't being an AGW Luddite easy and fun!!

Abnormal weather. Pay attention to abnormal weather. Lots of hurricanes, droubt, severe warming or freezing of the polar caps,

Forget about GW. Lets just clean up the planet from smog so we can breathe. And stop with the plastic. The Pacific is a toilet bowl. Lets go to wind turbines and use trees, but replant so we don't run out of trees. But plastic is bad.

And companies polluting need to stop.

Our country is much less polluted right now than it has been at any time in my life. We are already doing it. You don't need to campaign for this. It's already being done.

As for abnormal weather, the thing about weather is that it's always changing. It's all abnormal from one point of view or the ohter.

 

[Chris]

STILL WAITING CHRIS. Explain why there was any ice to melt in 1950 when from the early 20's to the late 40's the temperatures were higher then now in the arctic and for a MUCH longer time? Come on explain THAT.

Link?

Ohh your going to PLAY that game, already provided repeatedly in the other thread where this started you lying dumb ass.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the glaciers and the arctic ice continues to melt.

Why?

 

[Oddball]

What answer would you accept??

 

[code1211]

Navy1960 - I don't guess you understand that all of this global warming bullshit is just a ploy by folks like Al Gore and other associated meatheads to make a few bucks off of the idiots that they can get to buy into this nonsense. If there was anything to global warming, why has it just become fashionable here of late to dote on it? Man has been tossing crap into the environment ever since he learned how to rub two sticks together to make fire. So, why after dumping crap into the air since almost the beginning of time, have we suddenly neared the point of destroying the whole earth? It's because nobody up until now has found a way to make money off of the fear of the people they can get to believe this horseshit. In a well-known mattress commercial they have painted numbers on the sheep to make it easier to count them while falling asleep. I think we should number all of the environmental idiot sheep too so we can easily see them in a crowd.

The planet is warming, period (it has been since the last mini ice age of the 1600's (1700's ?) the only debate is; is it all natural, or is it AGW? And no, 2-3 years years of cooling hasn't come close to a cooling trend or wiped out the warming that's taken place. We are now during more fossil fuels than any other time in this planets life, period.

Common sense and sustainability.

Green business=bad, is the Neocon talking point now

I wish big time that we'd enter a cooling trend, I'm tired of all the rain lately in the mountains, more snow would be welcomed.

This warming trend started in about 1700 give or take. The industrial revolution started in about 1800 give or take. The warming started before the start of what you are siting as the cause. You are saying that the effect happened before the cause.

The whole problem with the CO2 is warming the planet mantra is that the argument demands that we accept that the future causes the past. The world simply does not work this way.

Common sense is something that must be thrown out to accept AGW.

 

[code1211]

The planet is warming, period (it has been since the last mini ice age of the 1600's (1700's ?) the only debate is; is it all natural, or is it AGW? And no, 2-3 years years of cooling hasn't come close to a cooling trend or wiped out the warming that's taken place. We are now during more fossil fuels than any other time in this planets life, period.

What debate? The consensus on man made global warming has been pushed by governments who see it as another cash cow to raise tax revenues. The studies produced by scientists who remain sceptical of mm global warming are ignored – and there are thousands of scientists who take that position.

There is no debate. Only the claim of consensus, which historically has been the first refuge of scoundrels. It is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice is still melting.

Why?

Another good question might be , "Why is the global climate at its lowest point in 7 years?"

The complexity of the climate system is such that one factor will get washed away by the rest. Except the Sun. TSI decreases and so does the Global Temp. This is pretty compelling evidence.

CO2 continues to rise and the Temperature drops. Again, compelling evidence. Taking these two together seems to indicate that CO2 is not a very powerful forcing factor and TSI is a very strong forcing factor.

Unless TSI is Anthropogenically generated, AGW suddenly becomes a non-factor. Bright and intense Sunshine = warmer. Who could have called that one?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Link?

Ohh your going to PLAY that game, already provided repeatedly in the other thread where this started you lying dumb ass.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the glaciers and the arctic ice continues to melt.

Why?

ANd again dumb ASS, from 1920 to 1950 the temperatures in the arctic were higher for a longer period then NOW, why did not the US Coast lines flood with the then vanished ice? I mean if the smaller temps now are going to, as you claim, destroy the ice cap, why was there ANY Ice Cap left by 1950?

 

[Chris]

Ohh your going to PLAY that game, already provided repeatedly in the other thread where this started you lying dumb ass.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the glaciers and the arctic ice continues to melt.

Why?

ANd again dumb ASS, from 1920 to 1950 the temperatures in the arctic were higher for a longer period then NOW, why did not the US Coast lines flood with the then vanished ice? I mean if the smaller temps now are going to, as you claim, destroy the ice cap, why was there ANY Ice Cap left by 1950?

Link?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the glaciers and the arctic ice continues to melt.

Why?

ANd again dumb ASS, from 1920 to 1950 the temperatures in the arctic were higher for a longer period then NOW, why did not the US Coast lines flood with the then vanished ice? I mean if the smaller temps now are going to, as you claim, destroy the ice cap, why was there ANY Ice Cap left by 1950?

Link?

Not gonna work, YOU know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Go to the appropriate thrad and review the link there. Or admit you are to stupid to remember from day to day things you have claimed did not exist and then abandoned the thread when the evidence overwhelmed your ignorance.

 

[Chris]

ANd again dumb ASS, from 1920 to 1950 the temperatures in the arctic were higher for a longer period then NOW, why did not the US Coast lines flood with the then vanished ice? I mean if the smaller temps now are going to, as you claim, destroy the ice cap, why was there ANY Ice Cap left by 1950?

Link?

Not gonna work, YOU know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Go to the appropriate thrad and review the link there. Or admit you are to stupid to remember from day to day things you have claimed did not exist and then abandoned the thread when the evidence overwhelmed your ignorance.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

 

[elvis]

Link?

Not gonna work, YOU know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Go to the appropriate thrad and review the link there. Or admit you are to stupid to remember from day to day things you have claimed did not exist and then abandoned the thread when the evidence overwhelmed your ignorance.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

because Al Gore pissed on the glaciers.

 

[KittenKoder]

Link?

Not gonna work, YOU know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Go to the appropriate thrad and review the link there. Or admit you are to stupid to remember from day to day things you have claimed did not exist and then abandoned the thread when the evidence overwhelmed your ignorance.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

Because you are drinking too many martinis ...

 

[Oddball]

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

Republicans.

 

[KittenKoder]

Link?

Not gonna work, YOU know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Go to the appropriate thrad and review the link there. Or admit you are to stupid to remember from day to day things you have claimed did not exist and then abandoned the thread when the evidence overwhelmed your ignorance.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

Mongooses are farting too much ...

 

[code1211]

The planet is warming, period (it has been since the last mini ice age of the 1600's (1700's ?) the only debate is; is it all natural, or is it AGW? And no, 2-3 years years of cooling hasn't come close to a cooling trend or wiped out the warming that's taken place. We are now during more fossil fuels than any other time in this planets life, period.

What debate? The consensus on man made global warming has been pushed by governments who see it as another cash cow to raise tax revenues. The studies produced by scientists who remain sceptical of mm global warming are ignored – and there are thousands of scientists who take that position.

There is no debate. Only the claim of consensus, which historically has been the first refuge of scoundrels. It is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled.

The sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice is still melting.

Why?

By rigging the data, one can make anything look like anything. In this case, you are saying that the current level of TSI is lower than it was 80 years ago which was the absolute peak of TSI over the last 1000 or so years. The TSI for years has been higher than at any time in the last millenium. This is pretty impressive.

The same type of rigging device is used to accentuate warming. When measurements say that the Globe has warmed by whatever degrees in the last 200 years, the authors are measuring from the coldest point in the last 1000 years. The obvious reason for this particular starting point is exactly for the reason of showing the largest increase.

The fallacy in this which usually goes unannounced and unnoticed is that they start the period of measure from the low point. The warming starts before the cause they cite and they strongly connect the two as a causal relationship when it cannot exist.

I'm not sure that this is a lie. It is disingenuous in the extreme, but it may not be a lie. Maybe a swindle is more accurate.

So, why is the ice still melting? In the simplest terms, some of is and some of it is not. If CO2, which is a pretty well homogenized gas, was the culprit, all of it would be melting at equal rates everywhere. This is not the case. The Northern Hemisphere sees the greatest melting and the Southern Hemisphere, not so much.

As it happens, most of the glaciers of today are/were in the Northern Hemisphere. "Why?" to that might also be a good question.

 

[driveby]

Argentine glacier advances despite global warming - Yahoo! News

Go ahead explain this one.

Some places on earth will experience warming, some cooling, some drought, some places will get colder, some places will get more rain than usual, more hurricanes, tornado's, snow, etc.

See, you think its all global warming.

Sounds like someone is covering their lying asses to me .........

 

[Harry Dresden]

Abnormal weather. Pay attention to abnormal weather. Lots of hurricanes, droubt, severe warming or freezing of the polar caps,

Forget about GW. Lets just clean up the planet from smog so we can breathe. And stop with the plastic. The Pacific is a toilet bowl. Lets go to wind turbines and use trees, but replant so we don't run out of trees. But plastic is bad.

And companies polluting need to stop.

its ok Bobo....we have people out here who clean that Toilet Bowl up every day....