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    ScienceDaily (Feb. 4, 2009) — Glaciers around the globe continue to melt at high rates. Tentative figures for the year 2007, of the World Glacier Monitoring Service at the University of Zurich, Switzerland, indicate a further loss of average ice thickness of roughly 0.67 meter water equivalent (m w.e.). Some glaciers in the European Alps lost up to 2.5 m w.e.

    The new still tentative data of more than 80 glaciers confirm the global trend of fast ice loss since 1980. Glaciers with long-term observation series (30 glaciers in 9 mountain ranges) have experienced a reduction in total thickness of more than 11 m w.e. until 2007. The average annual ice loss during 1980-1999 was roughly 0.3 m w.e. per year. Since 2000, this rate has increased to about 0.7 m w.e. per year.

    Michael Zemp, glaciologist and research associate of the WGMS, said: «The average ice loss in 2007 was not as extreme as in 2006, but there were large differences between mountain ranges. Glaciers in the European Alps lost up to 2.5 meters water equivalent of ice, whereas maritime glaciers in Scandinavia were able to gain more than a meter in thickness. However, 2007 is now the sixth year of this century in which the average ice loss of the reference glaciers has exceeded half a meter. This has resulted in a more than doubling of the melt rates of the 1980s and 90s.

    Glaciers Around The Globe Continue To Melt At High Rates
     
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    You are aware you dumb ass that with in nature there are cycles? That Glaciers have come and gone through out the ages? With out any help by man?

    You have , what 30 years worth of data and want to claim that creates a pattern of some kind? Hell even if you have 100 years of data it is insignificant compared the life of the earth and the cycles it has gone through.

    You still haven't explained why one of the poles had any ice at all after 1950 when for over 30 years the temperatures were HIGHER then the highest in the last 20 and for a longer period of time. And you keep claiming the poles are melting NOW.
     
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    Global warming is going to kill us all...Republicans are to blame.
     
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    Anomaly- quote from link "BUENOS AIRES, Argentina – Argentina's Perito Moreno glacier is one of only a few ice fields worldwide that have withstood rising global temperatures."

    As with any temperature fluctuations this planet has gone through, when some places heat up some places will cool, just because our overall planets mean temps have increased doesn't mean all places are warmer, some have shown cooling.

    Location, location, location. With temps higher now, some places that were drier are getting wetter and visa versa.
     

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    Some places on earth will experience warming, some cooling, some drought, some places will get colder, some places will get more rain than usual, more hurricanes, tornado's, snow, etc.

    See, you think its all global warming. :cuckoo:
     
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    See?!!?!?!???

    It doesn't matter what the weather does. Any which way the weather goes, it's all the fault of industrial man in general, and America in particular!!!

    Isn't being an AGW Luddite easy and fun!!
     
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    Abnormal weather. Pay attention to abnormal weather. Lots of hurricanes, droubt, severe warming or freezing of the polar caps,

    Forget about GW. Lets just clean up the planet from smog so we can breathe. And stop with the plastic. The Pacific is a toilet bowl. Lets go to wind turbines and use trees, but replant so we don't run out of trees. But plastic is bad.

    And companies polluting need to stop.
     
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    Figure 3 compares 2008 with the mean for the first seven years of this century. Except for the relatively cool Pacific Ocean, most of the world was either near normal or unusually warm in 2008. The temperature in the United States in 2008 was not much different than the 1951-1980 mean, which makes 2008 cooler than all of the previous years this decade. As shown by the right side of Fig. 3, most of the United States averaged between 0.5 and 1°C warmer than the long-term mean during 2001-2007.
    Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2008 Annual Summation

    The basic GISS temperature analysis scheme was defined in the late 1970s by James Hansen when a method of estimating global temperature change was needed for comparison with one-dimensional global climate models. Prior temperature analyses, most notably those of Murray Mitchell, covered only 20-90°N latitudes. Our rationale was that the number of Southern Hemisphere stations was sufficient for a meaningful estimate of global temperature change, because temperature anomalies and trends are highly correlated over substantial geographical distances. Our first published results (Hansen et al. 1981) showed that, contrary to impressions from northern latitudes, global cooling after 1940 was small, and there was net global warming of about 0.4°C between the 1880s and 1970s.
    Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP)

    So according to my reading the total climb in the last 129 years has been around .06 degrees? This does not take into account trends that cannot be measured prior to the data be taken. So this points to the fact we have a crisis manufactured in order to perhaps influence opinion perhaps?
     

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