Oh, God....not another "TRICKLE DOWN" nightmare for the rich....not again!!!

[danielpalos]

hey TRed , Trump has said that he will fix problems that have affected American people in the past and i will watch him as he does it . Course all American people have got to watch and see and honestly evaluate what Trump does TRed .

Trickle down real name is 'Piss on the Peon'.

it is simply using public policy and public monies, to bail out the rich, and then, let it trickle down.

 

[blastoff]

Reagan tried it, it didn't work, Bush tried it, it didn't work and now Tweet.....corporations will not, have not and won't take thier tax savings and invest in american workers, what about this shit, can't republicans figure out. What they do, what they have always done, is embellish themselves with outrageous financial perks and shit on the tax code, that's what they do Donald, clearly Mr. Lost a Billion in one year, you should know this.

If you want to help them white fuck nuts that voted for you, INCREASE WAGES.

Don't you have some fatherless offspring to attend to or something?

 

[pismoe]

don't know , all I know is my experience with 'trickle down' and my experience has been good since I started working in a serious manner in about 1969 - 1970 . It maybe that that I live so well is due to my choices of how I manage and spend my money but I feel like I am rich Daniel .

 

[danielpalos]

don't know , all I know is my experience with 'trickle down' and my experience has been good since I started working in a serious manner in about 1969 - 1970 . It maybe that that I live so well is due to my choices of how I manage and spend my money but I feel like I am rich Daniel .

Good for you. My goal is to make like Henry Ford, when I feel like i am rich enough.

 

[airplanemechanic]

why does the right wing believe higher wages will be bad for our economy?

Because if you know anything about economics, if you artificially increase the cost of labor for a business, they will have to raise prices of their goods and services to compensate. So unless you want a 10 dollar hamburger, you keep wages reasonable.

7.25 hour, which very few people make very long at all, comes out to almost 15,000 a year. I own a 3 bedroom brick home on an acre of land, a boat, 4 vehicles and a 4 wheeler. I am paying a mortgage and car insurance, all of my cars are old so no car notes, and I can live on 12,000 a year no problem at all. In fact, 11K a year is quite doable. So even on minimum wage, one can do quite well.

They don't need to be paid more for doing menial work, they need to gain work experience and move up the corporate ladder and be paid more because they are WORTH more, not just because some bleeding heart liberal wants them to make more than they are worth. I started working, with a bachelors degree, at the local airport hauling around a 3 inch fuel hose pumping jet fuel into airplanes for 6.25/hr in the middle of the night. If I can start there, a high school dropout can too. That poor paying job got my foot in the door in the working world and at the airport, where I met a bunch of people and started making connections. Those connections got me a job at the same airport, managing a corporate jet hangar, for 3 times as much. It was that low paying job that got me meeting these very rich corporate folks, who saw that I did a great job even when making poor money, so they figured I would do great being paid alot more. And I did.

I needed a high security clearance to make 6.25 an hour, as well.

 

[pismoe]

there is a process to go through , mine was doing minimum wage work while I lived at my parents house . Getting married and having a kid at 19 was the boot in my azz that got me serious about working Daniel .

 

[danielpalos]

why does the right wing believe higher wages will be bad for our economy?

Because if you know anything about economics, if you artificially increase the cost of labor for a business, they will have to raise prices of their goods and services to compensate. So unless you want a 10 dollar hamburger, you keep wages reasonable.

Henry Ford knew something about economics, and doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages. Why blame the poor, if You can't do it.

 

[danielpalos]

there is a process to go through , mine was doing minimum wage work while I lived at my parents house . Getting married and having a kid at 19 was the boot in my azz that got me serious about working Daniel .

dear, that won't change, it will still be minimum wage work; we are simply, "moving the goal posts" for nation-State ease and convenience.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Henry Ford knew something about economics, and doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages. Why blame the poor, if You can't do it.

Are you really comparing auto workers to people who make minimum wage these days, burger flippers? Auto workers these days make 30 bucks an hour, whats your point?

I'll use your own example against you. You seen the price of a new car these days? A Ford F-250 used to be about 25,000 in 2000. Now the same truck will cost you about 70,000. So obviously.....these higher wages are resulting in more expensive vehicles. Go figure. How is Henry doing now? He's almost tripled the price of a car in 17 years. That's not real great.

 

[danielpalos]

Henry Ford knew something about economics, and doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages. Why blame the poor, if You can't do it.

Are you really comparing auto workers to people who make minimum wage these days, burger flippers? Auto workers these days make 30 bucks an hour, whats your point?

I'll use your own example against you. You seen the price of a new car these days? A Ford F-250 used to be about 25,000 in 2000. Now the same truck will cost you about 70,000. So obviously.....these higher wages are resulting in more expensive vehicles. Go figure. How is Henry doing now? He's almost tripled the price of a car in 17 years. That's not real great.

it is about cost. Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages.

 

[airplanemechanic]

That doesn't matter. The product they were selling was a high dollar item. Not a hamburger. Henry Ford was also the only auto manufacturer at the time. There are hundreds of places that make hamburgers, so if you raise wages, you can just go somewhere else.

Apples to doorknobs comparison.

 

[pismoe]

there is a process to go through , mine was doing minimum wage work while I lived at my parents house . Getting married and having a kid at 19 was the boot in my azz that got me serious about working Daniel .

dear, that won't change, it will still be minimum wage work; we are simply, "moving the goal posts" for nation-State ease and convenience.

--------------------------------------------------------------- you are TRYING to move the goal posts , there will be opposition Daniel .

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

why does the right wing believe higher wages will be bad for our economy?

Because if you know anything about economics, if you artificially increase the cost of labor for a business, they will have to raise prices of their goods and services to compensate. So unless you want a 10 dollar hamburger, you keep wages reasonable.

7.25 hour, which very few people make very long at all, comes out to almost 15,000 a year. I own a 3 bedroom brick home on an acre of land, a boat, 4 vehicles and a 4 wheeler. I am paying a mortgage and car insurance, all of my cars are old so no car notes, and I can live on 12,000 a year no problem at all. In fact, 11K a year is quite doable. So even on minimum wage, one can do quite well.

They don't need to be paid more for doing menial work, they need to gain work experience and move up the corporate ladder and be paid more because they are WORTH more, not just because some bleeding heart liberal wants them to make more than they are worth. I started working, with a bachelors degree, at the local airport hauling around a 3 inch fuel hose pumping jet fuel into airplanes for 6.25/hr in the middle of the night. If I can start there, a high school dropout can too. That poor paying job got my foot in the door in the working world and at the airport, where I met a bunch of people and started making connections. Those connections got me a job at the same airport, managing a corporate jet hangar, for 3 times as much. It was that low paying job that got me meeting these very rich corporate folks, who saw that I did a great job even when making poor money, so they figured I would do great being paid alot more. And I did.

I needed a high security clearance to make 6.25 an hour, as well.

Wages have not increased with the cost of living and inflation but that has more to do with outsourcing our industrial base for cheap labor and replacing them with low paying service sector jobs, but the fact remains my generation has gotten fucked over and out for the short term gains and prosperity experienced by the baby boomers, hopefully Trump will change the course which both parties have been taking this country since the 80s. A college education used to translate to a saving wage and even without a degree there was still a chance at success if you were willing to work hard at a blue collar job, now a degree equals $40,000+ in debt, no entry level positions, and there are no blue collar jobs if you don't have a degree.

 

[pismoe]

why does the right wing believe higher wages will be bad for our economy?

Because if you know anything about economics, if you artificially increase the cost of labor for a business, they will have to raise prices of their goods and services to compensate. So unless you want a 10 dollar hamburger, you keep wages reasonable.

7.25 hour, which very few people make very long at all, comes out to almost 15,000 a year. I own a 3 bedroom brick home on an acre of land, a boat, 4 vehicles and a 4 wheeler. I am paying a mortgage and car insurance, all of my cars are old so no car notes, and I can live on 12,000 a year no problem at all. In fact, 11K a year is quite doable. So even on minimum wage, one can do quite well.

They don't need to be paid more for doing menial work, they need to gain work experience and move up the corporate ladder and be paid more because they are WORTH more, not just because some bleeding heart liberal wants them to make more than they are worth. I started working, with a bachelors degree, at the local airport hauling around a 3 inch fuel hose pumping jet fuel into airplanes for 6.25/hr in the middle of the night. If I can start there, a high school dropout can too. That poor paying job got my foot in the door in the working world and at the airport, where I met a bunch of people and started making connections. Those connections got me a job at the same airport, managing a corporate jet hangar, for 3 times as much. It was that low paying job that got me meeting these very rich corporate folks, who saw that I did a great job even when making poor money, so they figured I would do great being paid alot more. And I did.

I needed a high security clearance to make 6.25 an hour, as well.

Wages have not increased with the cost of living and inflation but that has more to do with outsourcing our industrial base for cheap labor and replacing them with low paying service sector jobs, but the fact remains my generation has gotten fucked over and out for the prosperity experienced by baby boomers, hopefully Trump will change the course which both parties have been taking this country since the 80s.

-------------------------------------------------------------- fair is fair , I wish you well , lets see what President Trump can do Chaos !!

 

[airplanemechanic]

People don't understand, when you're selling a 40,000 dollar car, raising the price of each one 500 dollars to compensate for an increase in labor costs is not that big of a deal. But making a 3 dollar hamburger 5 dollars is huge.

The cost of each unit is a huge determining factor on the effect of labor costs in producing that unit.

 

[Call Sign Chaos]

why does the right wing believe higher wages will be bad for our economy?

Because if you know anything about economics, if you artificially increase the cost of labor for a business, they will have to raise prices of their goods and services to compensate. So unless you want a 10 dollar hamburger, you keep wages reasonable.

7.25 hour, which very few people make very long at all, comes out to almost 15,000 a year. I own a 3 bedroom brick home on an acre of land, a boat, 4 vehicles and a 4 wheeler. I am paying a mortgage and car insurance, all of my cars are old so no car notes, and I can live on 12,000 a year no problem at all. In fact, 11K a year is quite doable. So even on minimum wage, one can do quite well.

They don't need to be paid more for doing menial work, they need to gain work experience and move up the corporate ladder and be paid more because they are WORTH more, not just because some bleeding heart liberal wants them to make more than they are worth. I started working, with a bachelors degree, at the local airport hauling around a 3 inch fuel hose pumping jet fuel into airplanes for 6.25/hr in the middle of the night. If I can start there, a high school dropout can too. That poor paying job got my foot in the door in the working world and at the airport, where I met a bunch of people and started making connections. Those connections got me a job at the same airport, managing a corporate jet hangar, for 3 times as much. It was that low paying job that got me meeting these very rich corporate folks, who saw that I did a great job even when making poor money, so they figured I would do great being paid alot more. And I did.

I needed a high security clearance to make 6.25 an hour, as well.

Wages have not increased with the cost of living and inflation but that has more to do with outsourcing our industrial base for cheap labor and replacing them with low paying service sector jobs, but the fact remains my generation has gotten fucked over and out for the prosperity experienced by baby boomers, hopefully Trump will change the course which both parties have been taking this country since the 80s.

-------------------------------------------------------------- fair is fair , I wish you well , lets see what President Trump can do Chaos !!

This is why I like Trump, he is an economic nationalist in the vein of Pat Buchanan and that is why the globalist establishment on both sides will and have fight him every step of the way.

 

[pismoe]

why does the right wing believe higher wages will be bad for our economy?

Because if you know anything about economics, if you artificially increase the cost of labor for a business, they will have to raise prices of their goods and services to compensate. So unless you want a 10 dollar hamburger, you keep wages reasonable.

7.25 hour, which very few people make very long at all, comes out to almost 15,000 a year. I own a 3 bedroom brick home on an acre of land, a boat, 4 vehicles and a 4 wheeler. I am paying a mortgage and car insurance, all of my cars are old so no car notes, and I can live on 12,000 a year no problem at all. In fact, 11K a year is quite doable. So even on minimum wage, one can do quite well.

They don't need to be paid more for doing menial work, they need to gain work experience and move up the corporate ladder and be paid more because they are WORTH more, not just because some bleeding heart liberal wants them to make more than they are worth. I started working, with a bachelors degree, at the local airport hauling around a 3 inch fuel hose pumping jet fuel into airplanes for 6.25/hr in the middle of the night. If I can start there, a high school dropout can too. That poor paying job got my foot in the door in the working world and at the airport, where I met a bunch of people and started making connections. Those connections got me a job at the same airport, managing a corporate jet hangar, for 3 times as much. It was that low paying job that got me meeting these very rich corporate folks, who saw that I did a great job even when making poor money, so they figured I would do great being paid alot more. And I did.

I needed a high security clearance to make 6.25 an hour, as well.

Wages have not increased with the cost of living and inflation but that has more to do with outsourcing our industrial base for cheap labor and replacing them with low paying service sector jobs, but the fact remains my generation has gotten fucked over and out for the prosperity experienced by baby boomers, hopefully Trump will change the course which both parties have been taking this country since the 80s.

-------------------------------------------------------------- fair is fair , I wish you well , lets see what President Trump can do Chaos !!

This is why I like Trump, he is an economic nationalist in the vein of Pat Buchanan and that is why the globalist establishment on both sides will and have fight him every step of the way.

-------------------------------------------------------- your particular thinking , what I know of it your approach makes sense on this issue . I want to see progress and money in the hands of Americans so that they can have a good deal like I have had Chaos .

 

[airplanemechanic]

The difference between Trump and Obama:

1. About 4 billion dollars of net worth
2. 40 years of working in the private sector.
3. Trump knows this country made him great and loves the American worker. Obama doesn't.

 

[danielpalos]

That doesn't matter. The product they were selling was a high dollar item. Not a hamburger. Henry Ford was also the only auto manufacturer at the time. There are hundreds of places that make hamburgers, so if you raise wages, you can just go somewhere else.

Apples to doorknobs comparison.

You are simply clueless and Causeless; the poor can say the same thing.

Capitalism doesn't change for your convenience.

The point was, he doubled autoworker wages which are more expensive than minimum wages. You are claiming modern capitalists, simply make "poor lifestyle choices" while claiming to be capitalists.

 

[danielpalos]

there is a process to go through , mine was doing minimum wage work while I lived at my parents house . Getting married and having a kid at 19 was the boot in my azz that got me serious about working Daniel .

dear, that won't change, it will still be minimum wage work; we are simply, "moving the goal posts" for nation-State ease and convenience.

--------------------------------------------------------------- you are TRYING to move the goal posts , there will be opposition Daniel .

that is what politics is for.

the right wing Only complains when socialism benefits the poor.