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The more you make people talk, the more you buy yourself time to trap Scum in their words.
Grandma mentioned she was getting a tension headache. As Scum she was doing a damned good job, and it must have taken a lot to not buckle under the pressure and slip up from nervousness. Same with Aye. By quicklynching, you make it a breeze for Scum. They want the Town to kill themselves off, and the quicker the better. The more they have to explain themselves the later in the game, the more that pressure bears down on their shoulders.
What can I do better (besides not hammering when I said I would)?
I see death has made you even more powerful Avatar.
[MENTION=44124]Wake[/MENTION]: The TL;DR version is that I needed to step up and lead town, right?
I agree with you on that. I had forgotten that Aye raised my suspicions that she might be the other scum when she posted a long diatribe (earlier in the game) about how I was so aggressive and sounded so much like scum, yet she didn't find Grandma's posts aggressive even when she told you to ram a car part up your woowoo? That raised a red flag for me, and when I questioned her about it, she offered up some lame advice that her son was here and she hadn't had time to read all the posts, (another reason why personal stuff should not be allowed.) If we had been going slower, I would have checked out her posts and I would have remembered that. At the end, when there are only 5 people left it is a lot easier to sift through the crap they've posted and find out who sounds the scummiest.I disagree Rosie. It's precisely because we slowed down that we had a shot this game.
On day two I was at L1 three separate times. if we were rushing I would have been lynched when grandma gave her intent at the beginning without further discussion showing she was scum.
Had the town not flash lynched Cafe we could have had much more discussion and finding Aye might have been easier.
I had also voted for FA about that time.If I hadn't hammered mani on day 1 when i did, you would have unvoted him and we might have been able to go back to FA that day.
Tn, had already found Grandma to be scummy about the time I was getting red flags about Aye being so quick to vote on a Lylo.If Mebelle hadn't rushed a vote this last day, and let it talk itself out more the town could have figured it out. Grandma was giving out huge tells that made it obvious she was scum on the last day.
We do need to slow down and pay attention. The more rope you give the scum the more likely they will trip up.
I agree with you on that. I had forgotten that Aye raised my suspicions that she might be the other scum when she posted a long diatribe (earlier in the game) about how I was so aggressive and sounded so much like scum, yet she didn't find Grandma's posts aggressive even when she told you to ram a car part up your woowoo? That raised a red flag for me, and when I questioned her about it, she offered up some lame advice that her son was here and she hadn't had time to read all the posts, (another reason why personal stuff should not be allowed.) If we had been going slower, I would have checked out her posts and I would have remembered that. At the end, when there are only 5 people left it is a lot easier to sift through the crap they've posted and find out who sounds the scummiest.I disagree Rosie. It's precisely because we slowed down that we had a shot this game.
On day two I was at L1 three separate times. if we were rushing I would have been lynched when grandma gave her intent at the beginning without further discussion showing she was scum.
Had the town not flash lynched Cafe we could have had much more discussion and finding Aye might have been easier.
I had also voted for FA about that time.If I hadn't hammered mani on day 1 when i did, you would have unvoted him and we might have been able to go back to FA that day.
Tn, had already found Grandma to be scummy about the time I was getting red flags about Aye being so quick to vote on a Lylo.If Mebelle hadn't rushed a vote this last day, and let it talk itself out more the town could have figured it out. Grandma was giving out huge tells that made it obvious she was scum on the last day.
We do need to slow down and pay attention. The more rope you give the scum the more likely they will trip up.
Exactly. And players that don't contribute or post much should be the first to be eliminated, because they don't help Town when they are town and if they are Scum, well then, Town has at least scored one.
I think what would help is taking really good notes of what certain players do and say when they're Scum.
The reason I say this is because it's difficult to try and "alter" yourself as Scum so your tells don't show for others to see.
For example, what are five things about Scum-FA_Q2 you should be on the lookout for? Scum-Rosie? Scum-Avatar?
In fact, MeBelle flash voted 3 in a row. You can't condemn X for something and then give Y a pass for doing more of that something.
Just saying.
It helps that MeBelle is confirmed fucking town as well.
Vote Count: 5.1
Mertex (LYNCH): MeBelle60♀, AyeCantSeeYou♀, Grandma♀
Grandma (1): tn5421♂
tn5421 (1): Mertex♀
Not Voting (0):
~ With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
~ Deadline is 8/21/14, @ 2pm central.
A majority vote has been reached!
CaféAuLait;9639349 said:Tn's game play was scummy. His not coming back to hammer Grandma made it harder for us to zero in on Scum....made us think he was Scum. You didn't clue me that MeBelle was a Mason, you only mentioned that she and Rosie were too chummy and my initial take was that you thought they were working together as Scum. You never indicated that they might be Masons, I picked up on that on my own. You were still hanging on to Grandma's apron strings at that time.CaféAuLait;9639002 said:I was not in the clouds, Avatar read scum, given he was defending FA who I believed to be scum and then moved the wagons of you and FA to Mani made me believe he was scum even more so, protecting FA. Not to mention TN was supposed to come back to hammer, then this shifted suspicion to him and suspicion to MeBelle for refusing to vote at all. Remember it was me who stopped your suspicion about Mebelle by clueing you into the fact she was probably a mason and thus her strange voting or should I say non- voting patterns as you were all over me about why I thought she was town.
What do you mean why didn't I push for her lynch. I led her wagon, the one that you insisted on staying with Avatar, who flipped town and MeBelle didn't even bother to vote.
Yes, Rosie made a big mistake by telling us to be sure and lynch you. We should have given you a chance to defend yourself, but by that time you had some us thinking you were Scum.
At that time we knew there were two Scum left, it didn't matter which one we got first. I didn't want to vote for Grandma because I hadn't been able to convince you that she was Scum and we would have ended up with split vote, like we did with Avatar and Grandma and probably a NL.
As far as FA, I pulled my vote as I realized we only needed 5 to lynch and not 6 as was stated in the deadline and I did not want to repeat my mistake with Avatar.
FA drew you in when started flattering you about giving him advice on Adblock. That's why you had a hard time looking at the facts and realizing he was scum. I did the same thing in Game 1 with Avatar. He kept telling me that he knew I was Town and I fell for it.
You really think FA drew me in for thanking me? That is really silly. I said over and over again on my scum lists and in my posts FA was scum. I thought FA was scum before the vote I wanted to ensure we were voting correctly, given I thought Avatar was scum defending FA. I wanted to be sure. The vote count said we needed 6 to lynch and that was wrong, we only needed 5. I asked for everyone's reasoning and I wanted to ensure it was not based off of a revenge vote from Rosie. We had 5 days left then 4, not four hours.
I was not the only person who could have changed my vote when she and Avatar were up to be lynched, there were more on Grandma. And I believed TN when he said he was coming back. If you believed Grandma to be scum, why not vote for her when you all flash lynched me? She was presenting more scummy to you than me until my name was put up. What I meant you did not push to lynch her after avatar was lynched and before my flash lynch. If you KNEW she was scum as you said, why not, instead of helping a 10 minute lynch to go through? That's what I meant about your not pushing grandma's vote. You did not even do it the last go round, instead you were going to vote TN instead of Grandma.
CaféAuLait;9639349 said:Tn's game play was scummy. His not coming back to hammer Grandma made it harder for us to zero in on Scum....made us think he was Scum. You didn't clue me that MeBelle was a Mason, you only mentioned that she and Rosie were too chummy and my initial take was that you thought they were working together as Scum. You never indicated that they might be Masons, I picked up on that on my own. You were still hanging on to Grandma's apron strings at that time.
What do you mean why didn't I push for her lynch. I led her wagon, the one that you insisted on staying with Avatar, who flipped town and MeBelle didn't even bother to vote.
Yes, Rosie made a big mistake by telling us to be sure and lynch you. We should have given you a chance to defend yourself, but by that time you had some us thinking you were Scum.
At that time we knew there were two Scum left, it didn't matter which one we got first. I didn't want to vote for Grandma because I hadn't been able to convince you that she was Scum and we would have ended up with split vote, like we did with Avatar and Grandma and probably a NL.
FA drew you in when started flattering you about giving him advice on Adblock. That's why you had a hard time looking at the facts and realizing he was scum. I did the same thing in Game 1 with Avatar. He kept telling me that he knew I was Town and I fell for it.
You really think FA drew me in for thanking me? That is really silly. I said over and over again on my scum lists and in my posts FA was scum. I thought FA was scum before the vote I wanted to ensure we were voting correctly, given I thought Avatar was scum defending FA. I wanted to be sure. The vote count said we needed 6 to lynch and that was wrong, we only needed 5. I asked for everyone's reasoning and I wanted to ensure it was not based off of a revenge vote from Rosie. We had 5 days left then 4, not four hours.
I was not the only person who could have changed my vote when she and Avatar were up to be lynched, there were more on Grandma. And I believed TN when he said he was coming back. If you believed Grandma to be scum, why not vote for her when you all flash lynched me? She was presenting more scummy to you than me until my name was put up. What I meant you did not push to lynch her after avatar was lynched and before my flash lynch. If you KNEW she was scum as you said, why not, instead of helping a 10 minute lynch to go through? That's what I meant about your not pushing grandma's vote. You did not even do it the last go round, instead you were going to vote TN instead of Grandma.
Yes, I do. You may not have been aware of it, but the fact that he was being positive about you and saying you definitely were town, since you were town, that must have made a subconscious positive for you. Be aware of that for the next game. Scum like to flatter Townies to get them on their side.
And, if you thought FA was Scum at first, after you voted for Avatar and he flipped town, how come when there were more of us accusing FA the next go round, he didn't seem like scum to you anymore?
As for Grandma and why I didn't vote for her. I knew she was scum, but we had two left, it didn't matter which one went first, and two were already voting for you. Going for someone that no one else is going for is not a good thing. If you can't convince others that the person you think is Scum, it does no good to insist, because sometimes you can be wrong. I made my statements about Grandma, but neither MeBelle nor tn (the two other Townies left) were picking up on it....MeBelle should have declared herself as Mason, but I'm surprised that tn didn't know she was a Mason. Maybe he wasn't participating in the night talks? If that had happened it would have been obvious then that Grandma/Aye were Scum. Maybe the next game people will keep these things in mind.
CaféAuLait;9639349 said:You really think FA drew me in for thanking me? That is really silly. I said over and over again on my scum lists and in my posts FA was scum. I thought FA was scum before the vote I wanted to ensure we were voting correctly, given I thought Avatar was scum defending FA. I wanted to be sure. The vote count said we needed 6 to lynch and that was wrong, we only needed 5. I asked for everyone's reasoning and I wanted to ensure it was not based off of a revenge vote from Rosie. We had 5 days left then 4, not four hours.
I was not the only person who could have changed my vote when she and Avatar were up to be lynched, there were more on Grandma. And I believed TN when he said he was coming back. If you believed Grandma to be scum, why not vote for her when you all flash lynched me? She was presenting more scummy to you than me until my name was put up. What I meant you did not push to lynch her after avatar was lynched and before my flash lynch. If you KNEW she was scum as you said, why not, instead of helping a 10 minute lynch to go through? That's what I meant about your not pushing grandma's vote. You did not even do it the last go round, instead you were going to vote TN instead of Grandma.
Yes, I do. You may not have been aware of it, but the fact that he was being positive about you and saying you definitely were town, since you were town, that must have made a subconscious positive for you. Be aware of that for the next game. Scum like to flatter Townies to get them on their side.
And, if you thought FA was Scum at first, after you voted for Avatar and he flipped town, how come when there were more of us accusing FA the next go round, he didn't seem like scum to you anymore?
As for Grandma and why I didn't vote for her. I knew she was scum, but we had two left, it didn't matter which one went first, and two were already voting for you. Going for someone that no one else is going for is not a good thing. If you can't convince others that the person you think is Scum, it does no good to insist, because sometimes you can be wrong. I made my statements about Grandma, but neither MeBelle nor tn (the two other Townies left) were picking up on it....MeBelle should have declared herself as Mason, but I'm surprised that tn didn't know she was a Mason. Maybe he wasn't participating in the night talks? If that had happened it would have been obvious then that Grandma/Aye were Scum. Maybe the next game people will keep these things in mind.
Since he seems to have left, I'll answer this.
By saying MeBelle was Confirmed Town he was saying there was no doubt. That he knew it. That when Grandma read her as Scum at that late date he knew she was wrong.
That is what Confirmed Town means - thus the DARE you to claim Mason.
Confirmed Town means known for a fact Town.
Regards from Rosie
CaféAuLait;9639349 said:You really think FA drew me in for thanking me? That is really silly. I said over and over again on my scum lists and in my posts FA was scum. I thought FA was scum before the vote I wanted to ensure we were voting correctly, given I thought Avatar was scum defending FA. I wanted to be sure. The vote count said we needed 6 to lynch and that was wrong, we only needed 5. I asked for everyone's reasoning and I wanted to ensure it was not based off of a revenge vote from Rosie. We had 5 days left then 4, not four hours.
I was not the only person who could have changed my vote when she and Avatar were up to be lynched, there were more on Grandma. And I believed TN when he said he was coming back. If you believed Grandma to be scum, why not vote for her when you all flash lynched me? She was presenting more scummy to you than me until my name was put up. What I meant you did not push to lynch her after avatar was lynched and before my flash lynch. If you KNEW she was scum as you said, why not, instead of helping a 10 minute lynch to go through? That's what I meant about your not pushing grandma's vote. You did not even do it the last go round, instead you were going to vote TN instead of Grandma.
Yes, I do. You may not have been aware of it, but the fact that he was being positive about you and saying you definitely were town, since you were town, that must have made a subconscious positive for you. Be aware of that for the next game. Scum like to flatter Townies to get them on their side.
And, if you thought FA was Scum at first, after you voted for Avatar and he flipped town, how come when there were more of us accusing FA the next go round, he didn't seem like scum to you anymore?
As for Grandma and why I didn't vote for her. I knew she was scum, but we had two left, it didn't matter which one went first, and two were already voting for you. Going for someone that no one else is going for is not a good thing. If you can't convince others that the person you think is Scum, it does no good to insist, because sometimes you can be wrong. I made my statements about Grandma, but neither MeBelle nor tn (the two other Townies left) were picking up on it....MeBelle should have declared herself as Mason, but I'm surprised that tn didn't know she was a Mason. Maybe he wasn't participating in the night talks? If that had happened it would have been obvious then that Grandma/Aye were Scum. Maybe the next game people will keep these things in mind.
Since he seems to have left, I'll answer this.
By saying MeBelle was Confirmed Town he was saying there was no doubt. That he knew it. That when Grandma read her as Scum at that late date he knew she was wrong.
That is what Confirmed Town means - thus the DARE you to claim Mason.
Confirmed Town means known for a fact Town.
Regards from Rosie
CaféAuLait;9639349 said:Tn's game play was scummy. His not coming back to hammer Grandma made it harder for us to zero in on Scum....made us think he was Scum. You didn't clue me that MeBelle was a Mason, you only mentioned that she and Rosie were too chummy and my initial take was that you thought they were working together as Scum. You never indicated that they might be Masons, I picked up on that on my own. You were still hanging on to Grandma's apron strings at that time.
What do you mean why didn't I push for her lynch. I led her wagon, the one that you insisted on staying with Avatar, who flipped town and MeBelle didn't even bother to vote.
Yes, Rosie made a big mistake by telling us to be sure and lynch you. We should have given you a chance to defend yourself, but by that time you had some us thinking you were Scum.
At that time we knew there were two Scum left, it didn't matter which one we got first. I didn't want to vote for Grandma because I hadn't been able to convince you that she was Scum and we would have ended up with split vote, like we did with Avatar and Grandma and probably a NL.
FA drew you in when started flattering you about giving him advice on Adblock. That's why you had a hard time looking at the facts and realizing he was scum. I did the same thing in Game 1 with Avatar. He kept telling me that he knew I was Town and I fell for it.
You really think FA drew me in for thanking me? That is really silly. I said over and over again on my scum lists and in my posts FA was scum. I thought FA was scum before the vote I wanted to ensure we were voting correctly, given I thought Avatar was scum defending FA. I wanted to be sure. The vote count said we needed 6 to lynch and that was wrong, we only needed 5. I asked for everyone's reasoning and I wanted to ensure it was not based off of a revenge vote from Rosie. We had 5 days left then 4, not four hours.
I was not the only person who could have changed my vote when she and Avatar were up to be lynched, there were more on Grandma. And I believed TN when he said he was coming back. If you believed Grandma to be scum, why not vote for her when you all flash lynched me? She was presenting more scummy to you than me until my name was put up. What I meant you did not push to lynch her after avatar was lynched and before my flash lynch. If you KNEW she was scum as you said, why not, instead of helping a 10 minute lynch to go through? That's what I meant about your not pushing grandma's vote. You did not even do it the last go round, instead you were going to vote TN instead of Grandma.
Yes, I do. You may not have been aware of it, but the fact that he was being positive about you and saying you definitely were town, since you were town, that must have made a subconscious positive for you. Be aware of that for the next game. Scum like to flatter Townies to get them on their side.
And, if you thought FA was Scum at first, after you voted for Avatar and he flipped town, how come when there were more of us accusing FA the next go round, he didn't seem like scum to you anymore?
As for Grandma and why I didn't vote for her. I knew she was scum, but we had two left, it didn't matter which one went first, and two were already voting for you. Going for someone that no one else is going for is not a good thing. If you can't convince others that the person you think is Scum, it does no good to insist, because sometimes you can be wrong. I made my statements about Grandma, but neither MeBelle nor tn (the two other Townies left) were picking up on it....MeBelle should have declared herself as Mason, but I'm surprised that tn didn't know she was a Mason. Maybe he wasn't participating in the night talks? If that had happened it would have been obvious then that Grandma/Aye were Scum. Maybe the next game people will keep these things in mind.