Of course the deniers will deny

No, Libertarians would support pollution deregulation.
Just like Communists did.
Again, your very shallow knowledge on the topic is showing. Which citizen of any communist country would have been able to sue the government for polluting their property or property held in the public trust?

If you look across the broad spectrum, privately held property is better maintained than unowned or politically controlled property. At the heart of libertarian
You seem to be perfectly willing to ignore the fact that government is the worst polluter of all..and are perfectly fine with having the worst polluter in charge of environmental protection. How much sense does that make?

The truth is that institutions like property rights, and common-law liability in the courts would be far more effective than any government run program. At the heart a libertarian environmental plan would be a set of explicitly specified private and public property and resource rights and the full weight of the court system to enforce them. And as I said, it is nigh on impossible to be a serious polluter without violating someones public or private property rights.

As much as you seem to believe that government is the better steward of the environment, the observable, measurable fact is that government is the worst polluter and the least effective at preserving the environment.

The fact that you are willing to ignore the blatant facts of history in favor of your pie in the sky beliefs illustrates that you lack a firm enough grasp on the topic for your thoughts to carry any real weight.

Government will never be as good a steward of the environment as a private individual who understands that should his practices on his private property negatively effect the property rights of his neighbor or neighbors, he will come under the full authority of the law...and may well be broken, and find himself permanently in the service of his neighbors till he compensates them for his infringement on their rights....

Again, I'm NOT a Communist.

I'm more of a Fascist, I support private property rights.

I just happen to think Capitalism needs regulation. (Particularly the big corps & little companies who Pollute, hire Illegals, Outsource, Hollywood smut, CNN biases, MSNBC biases, Porn industry, Gangster rap by the music industry.

Well, I outlined more here below.

Our issues from Capitalism, NOT Communism.
 
No, Libertarians would support pollution deregulation.
Just like Communists did.
Again, your very shallow knowledge on the topic is showing. Which citizen of any communist country would have been able to sue the government for polluting their property or property held in the public trust?

If you look across the broad spectrum, privately held property is better maintained than unowned or politically controlled property. At the heart of libertarian
You seem to be perfectly willing to ignore the fact that government is the worst polluter of all..and are perfectly fine with having the worst polluter in charge of environmental protection. How much sense does that make?

The truth is that institutions like property rights, and common-law liability in the courts would be far more effective than any government run program. At the heart a libertarian environmental plan would be a set of explicitly specified private and public property and resource rights and the full weight of the court system to enforce them. And as I said, it is nigh on impossible to be a serious polluter without violating someones public or private property rights.

As much as you seem to believe that government is the better steward of the environment, the observable, measurable fact is that government is the worst polluter and the least effective at preserving the environment.

The fact that you are willing to ignore the blatant facts of history in favor of your pie in the sky beliefs illustrates that you lack a firm enough grasp on the topic for your thoughts to carry any real weight.

Government will never be as good a steward of the environment as a private individual who understands that should his practices on his private property negatively effect the property rights of his neighbor or neighbors, he will come under the full authority of the law...and may well be broken, and find himself permanently in the service of his neighbors till he compensates them for his infringement on their rights....

Again, I'm NOT a Communist.

I'm more of a Fascist, I support private property rights.

I just happen to think Capitalism needs regulation. (Particularly the big corps & little companies who Pollute, hire Illegals, Outsource, Hollywood smut, CNN biases, MSNBC biases, Porn industry, Gangster rap by the music industry.

Well, I outlined more here below.

Our issues from Capitalism, NOT Communism.

Sorry guy...fascists idea of property rights are a far cry from individual property rights....the idea behind fascism is to give the illusion of private property while socializing the person...if the person who owns the property is not a good little nazi, then the government will find a new "private" owner for the property while conveniently making the old property owner disappear.

You know..all this stuff is in history...do you people just ignore the bad parts and assume that if you get to try it again, that you won't make the same mistakes? The mistakes are built into the system....they will happen every time the system is tried...

And you didn't answer my earlier question...who, under a communist / socialist regime can hope to successfully sue the government over violations of private or publicly held property rights? You still want to put the worst offender in charge of regulation...that can never be construed as a good idea and history shows us this over and over and over and over...
 
No, Libertarians would support pollution deregulation.
Just like Communists did.
Again, your very shallow knowledge on the topic is showing. Which citizen of any communist country would have been able to sue the government for polluting their property or property held in the public trust?

If you look across the broad spectrum, privately held property is better maintained than unowned or politically controlled property. At the heart of libertarian
You seem to be perfectly willing to ignore the fact that government is the worst polluter of all..and are perfectly fine with having the worst polluter in charge of environmental protection. How much sense does that make?

The truth is that institutions like property rights, and common-law liability in the courts would be far more effective than any government run program. At the heart a libertarian environmental plan would be a set of explicitly specified private and public property and resource rights and the full weight of the court system to enforce them. And as I said, it is nigh on impossible to be a serious polluter without violating someones public or private property rights.

As much as you seem to believe that government is the better steward of the environment, the observable, measurable fact is that government is the worst polluter and the least effective at preserving the environment.

The fact that you are willing to ignore the blatant facts of history in favor of your pie in the sky beliefs illustrates that you lack a firm enough grasp on the topic for your thoughts to carry any real weight.

Government will never be as good a steward of the environment as a private individual who understands that should his practices on his private property negatively effect the property rights of his neighbor or neighbors, he will come under the full authority of the law...and may well be broken, and find himself permanently in the service of his neighbors till he compensates them for his infringement on their rights....

Again, I'm NOT a Communist.

I'm more of a Fascist, I support private property rights.

I just happen to think Capitalism needs regulation. (Particularly the big corps & little companies who Pollute, hire Illegals, Outsource, Hollywood smut, CNN biases, MSNBC biases, Porn industry, Gangster rap by the music industry.

Well, I outlined more here below.

Our issues from Capitalism, NOT Communism.

Sorry guy...fascists idea of property rights are a far cry from individual property rights....the idea behind fascism is to give the illusion of private property while socializing the person...if the person who owns the property is not a good little nazi, then the government will find a new "private" owner for the property while conveniently making the old property owner disappear.

You know..all this stuff is in history...do you people just ignore the bad parts and assume that if you get to try it again, that you won't make the same mistakes? The mistakes are built into the system....they will happen every time the system is tried...

Individualism is the worst,.

I can't think of a more retarded philosophy than that.

Its about group detachment, emotional detachment, logical detachment.

Basically Individualists just grasp ""Me, Mine, Now"
"I got mine f*ck everything else"

F*ck the environment.
F*ck the culture.
F*ck society.
F*ck the poor.

To say that getting rid of Private property is the genocidal maniacs dream come true.

Let me ask you something?

How come the Norse like Swedes got rid of a lot of Private property rights, and aren't going berserk mass murdering in the Middle-East like the United States is?
 
Individualism is the worst,.

I can't think of a more retarded philosophy than that.

You don't seem to be able to get past your programming, and it certainly diminishes your ability to think...

Lets break this down into easy bite sized pieces. Maybe if you can ignore the big fictional picture that you have painted for yourself, you can actually deepen your grasp of the philosophy.

Lets start with an easy one...how much environmental damage can I do, if as soon as my polluting ways encroaches on someone else's private, or publicly held property rights I am going to be dragged into court, sued, and have to pay for the damage I have done to someone else's private or publicly held property to the point that if I can't pay them in cash, I may find myself being employed as indentured labor till I have paid off my debt?
 
Individualism is the worst,.

I can't think of a more retarded philosophy than that.

You don't seem to be able to get past your programming, and it certainly diminishes your ability to think...

Lets break this down into easy bite sized pieces. Maybe if you can ignore the big fictional picture that you have painted for yourself, you can actually deepen your grasp of the philosophy.

Lets start with an easy one...how much environmental damage can I do, if as soon as my polluting ways encroaches on someone else's private, or publicly held property rights I am going to be dragged into court, sued, and have to pay for the damage I have done to someone else's private or publicly held property to the point that if I can't pay them in cash, I may find myself being employed as indentured labor till I have paid off my debt?

I support private property rights for the masses, NOT so much for big corporations, media, Hollywood, you get the drift.

A partially regulated society works best.

Not a fully regulated (Communist State Capitalist) nor a non-regulated (Capitalist Libertarian)

Libertarians have more in common with Communists than you think in practice.

Both lead to environmental destruction, junky products, cut corners etc.
 
Individualism is the worst,.

I can't think of a more retarded philosophy than that.

You don't seem to be able to get past your programming, and it certainly diminishes your ability to think...

Lets break this down into easy bite sized pieces. Maybe if you can ignore the big fictional picture that you have painted for yourself, you can actually deepen your grasp of the philosophy.

Lets start with an easy one...how much environmental damage can I do, if as soon as my polluting ways encroaches on someone else's private, or publicly held property rights I am going to be dragged into court, sued, and have to pay for the damage I have done to someone else's private or publicly held property to the point that if I can't pay them in cash, I may find myself being employed as indentured labor till I have paid off my debt?

I support private property rights for the masses, NOT so much for big corporations, media, Hollywood, you get the drift.

A partially regulated society works best.

Not a fully regulated (Communist State Capitalist) nor a non-regulated (Capitalist Libertarian)

Libertarians have more in common with Communists than you think in practice.

Both lead to environmental destruction, junky products, cut corners etc.

Is that what I asked you? Are you so unable to discuss the philosophy that soundbites and slogans are all you have? If you want to pretend to be a political philosopher, then you should at least be able to discuss the philosophy on a rudimentary level....slogans are not discussion and slogans seem to be all you have.

And libertarianism is the antithesis of communism / socialism...not sure where you got your notions but it wasn't from any in-depth study of either political philosophy..
 
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