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That's a great topic EM. Objective vetting is a goal for me currently. I was just on a religious thread attempting to define a true Christian, even though I am a soft agnostic.This one is for everybody on either side of the aisle. What exactly does "objective vetting" mean to YOU, in regard to analyzing political topics and news stories?
LOL! Democrats live for their double standard. If Harvard did their study and proved that there was no bias in network news, everyone would be Republican.I can't wait to read what lefties think objective vetting is. Do you guys just switch from msdnc over to abc?
What an excellent strategy to learn how to isolate yourself from your own political biases. I understand that is harder than it sounds for most of us, mostly because of the loyalty factor. Holding on to my political loyalties (past ties I've had still affecting my judgement) I've been aware how this knocks out a chunk of clarity at the get-go. Breaking away from one's political loyalties is going to be required, whether that be to a party or to specific people, with the sole purpose of achieving clear eyes and an open mind. I've resisted, knowing full well I have specific pre-determined ideas that are partly based upon loyalty to a party that I was formerly a member.To me, objectively vetting of political topics or stories involves isolating myself from my own political bias, during the time that I am researching what the most likely truth is. If it is a polarizing political topic and the agenda that I am vetting is opposite of my own position, I will privately attempt to prove that it is true. From my experience, attempting to prove that my political opponent is actually correct is an easier way to isolate myself from my own beliefs and feelings.
In regard to vetting media politics, one cannot limit himself to media that is aligned with his own ideology. Diving into the media that is aligned with the political opposition and comparing it is essential for objective vetting.
Now, now, EvMetro-are you demonstrating the old way of using personal biases instead of following your own OP's exceptional logic? lolI can't wait to read what lefties think objective vetting is. Do you guys just switch from msdnc over to abc?
Although laced with subjective agenda, my comments also based upon my experience over many years on many, many political forum sites. I've been blessed to have encountered a few lefties who can objectively evaluate political topics and media, even on this very site. I've even followed a few of them who have left this forum for greener pastures. What I have learned though, is that lefties "typically" have a harder time being objective. Let's watch their replies and see.Now, now, EvMetro-are you demonstrating the old way of using personal biases instead of following your own OP's exceptional logic? lolI can't wait to read what lefties think objective vetting is. Do you guys just switch from msdnc over to abc?
It's a real find when you do have discussions that are like that, people with differing viewpoints but able to engage and maybe even learn something. That's the top goal for me-to learn, and a close second is finding humor.Although laced with subjective agenda, my comments also based upon my experience over many years on many, many political forum sites. I've been blessed to have encountered a few lefties who can objectively evaluate political topics and media, even on this very site. I've even followed a few of them who have left this forum for greener pastures. What I have learned though, is that lefties "typically" have a harder time being objective. Let's watch their replies and see.Now, now, EvMetro-are you demonstrating the old way of using personal biases instead of following your own OP's exceptional logic? lolI can't wait to read what lefties think objective vetting is. Do you guys just switch from msdnc over to abc?
I also learn a lot from being a progressive lefty on a couple other political sites under a different name. Debating with righties like myself from a lefty profile isn't as easy, and it takes quite a bit of researching from a lefty point of view in order to maintain my cover. This research forces me away from my own bias, so I ultimately end up researching both sides subjectively in order to come up with an objective combination of research.What an excellent strategy to learn how to isolate yourself from your own political biases. I understand that is harder than it sounds for most of us, mostly because of the loyalty factor. Holding on to my political loyalties (past ties I've had still affecting my judgement) I've been aware how this knocks out a chunk of clarity at the get-go. Breaking away from one's political loyalties is going to be required, whether that be to a party or to specific people, with the sole purpose of achieving clear eyes and an open mind. I've resisted, knowing full well I have specific pre-determined ideas that are partly based upon loyalty to a party that I was formerly a member.To me, objectively vetting of political topics or stories involves isolating myself from my own political bias, during the time that I am researching what the most likely truth is. If it is a polarizing political topic and the agenda that I am vetting is opposite of my own position, I will privately attempt to prove that it is true. From my experience, attempting to prove that my political opponent is actually correct is an easier way to isolate myself from my own beliefs and feelings.
In regard to vetting media politics, one cannot limit himself to media that is aligned with his own ideology. Diving into the media that is aligned with the political opposition and comparing it is essential for objective vetting.
If participants of a discussion put in the effort to use this type of approach, what a difference we'd see. As a rule I keep the dialogue respectful, but to attempt to prove my "opponent" right? I can't say I've ever done that and what a concept! Your post couldn't be more perfectly timed. I've needed a spark plug to keep me honest, and wanting to make these political conversations as worthwhile as possible and suddenly voila! Thanks. I will look for opportunities on USMB, as they are presented typically by the minute I won't have the excuse to delay
I can't wait to say, to some unsuspecting poster I've previously butted heads with, "Oh, by the way, after giving that issue we discussed a few weeks back a closer look, it seems that you are 89% correct in your assessment. I admit now I was using a filter!" lol
I have found that my dogs and all of my pets are lefties by default, and that I am still able to love them. I can love lefties.It's a real find when you do have discussions that are like that, people with differing viewpoints but able to engage and maybe even learn something. That's the top goal for me-to learn, and a close second is finding humor.Although laced with subjective agenda, my comments also based upon my experience over many years on many, many political forum sites. I've been blessed to have encountered a few lefties who can objectively evaluate political topics and media, even on this very site. I've even followed a few of them who have left this forum for greener pastures. What I have learned though, is that lefties "typically" have a harder time being objective. Let's watch their replies and see.Now, now, EvMetro-are you demonstrating the old way of using personal biases instead of following your own OP's exceptional logic? lolI can't wait to read what lefties think objective vetting is. Do you guys just switch from msdnc over to abc?
I am not a fan of leftist political agendas, but I happen to like many leftists...a few relatives included. I try to keep that in mind on this message board when I catch myself making broad assessments. People are people first, and almost all deserve respect. Political agendas are better left in the cornfields where most belong.
Good question EvMetro , I haven’t really considered it given that my biases in general aren’t primarily political since I have no political loyalties to any party or person. I generally suffer from philosophical bias (libertarian) but my operating principle is; that at the end of the day, the majority of people desire the same things for themselves and for others, they just have oddly different ways of going about achieving them. I have to keep reminding myself of that in the face of some of the outlandish things people say.This one is for everybody on either side of the aisle. What exactly does "objective vetting" mean to YOU, in regard to analyzing political topics and news stories?
Just out of curiosity, on a scale of 1 to 11 how would you rate your level of “mugwumpiness” ?I’m a mugwump. I tend to call out balls and strikes. All of us can be objective to a degree. The question becomes how much effort one wants to put into it.
AP and NPR. They have a track record of high journalistic standards. Of course you guys will point out the times they failed. Why do you know they failed? They retracted or corrected a story and admitted they failed. You won't see the right wing kook sites ever admit their nonsense stories were completely false. Like the story about the shreds ballots in Maricopa County....I can't wait to read what lefties think objective vetting is. Do you guys just switch from msdnc over to abc?
Just out of curiosity, on a scale of 1 to 11 how would you rate your level of “mugwumpiness” ?I’m a mugwump. I tend to call out balls and strikes. All of us can be objective to a degree. The question becomes how much effort one wants to put into it.
Grand Master Six says the balance between your mug and your wump is suspect, suggests adding more cruciferous vegetables to your diet to resolve it.Just out of curiosity, on a scale of 1 to 11 how would you rate your level of “mugwumpiness” ?I’m a mugwump. I tend to call out balls and strikes. All of us can be objective to a degree. The question becomes how much effort one wants to put into it.
I have to ruminate on that. Never thought of assigning a numerical value to it.
Young Padawan, show great promise you do. Embrace the Socratic side of the force, you must, let it guide you, let it flow through you, overcome the forces of darkness you will.What an excellent strategy to learn how to isolate yourself from your own political biases. I understand that is harder than it sounds for most of us, mostly because of the loyalty factor. Holding on to my political loyalties (past ties I've had still affecting my judgement) I've been aware how this knocks out a chunk of clarity at the get-go. Breaking away from one's political loyalties is going to be required, whether that be to a party or to specific people, with the sole purpose of achieving clear eyes and an open mind. I've resisted, knowing full well I have specific pre-determined ideas that are partly based upon loyalty to a party that I was formerly a member.To me, objectively vetting of political topics or stories involves isolating myself from my own political bias, during the time that I am researching what the most likely truth is. If it is a polarizing political topic and the agenda that I am vetting is opposite of my own position, I will privately attempt to prove that it is true. From my experience, attempting to prove that my political opponent is actually correct is an easier way to isolate myself from my own beliefs and feelings.
In regard to vetting media politics, one cannot limit himself to media that is aligned with his own ideology. Diving into the media that is aligned with the political opposition and comparing it is essential for objective vetting.
If participants of a discussion put in the effort to use this type of approach, what a difference we'd see. As a rule I keep the dialogue respectful, but to attempt to prove my "opponent" right? I can't say I've ever done that and what a concept! Your post couldn't be more perfectly timed. I've needed a spark plug to keep me honest, and wanting to make these political conversations as worthwhile as possible and suddenly voila! Thanks. I will look for opportunities on USMB, as they are presented typically by the minute I won't have the excuse to delay
I can't wait to say, to some unsuspecting poster I've previously butted heads with, "Oh, by the way, after giving that issue we discussed a few weeks back a closer look, it seems that you are 89% correct in your assessment. I admit now I was using a filter!" lol
AP and NPR. They have a track record of high journalistic standards. Of course you guys will point out the times they failed. Why do you know they failed? They retracted or corrected a story and admitted they failed. You won't see the right wing kook sites ever admit their nonsense stories were completely false. Like the story about the shreds ballots in Maricopa County....I can't wait to read what lefties think objective vetting is. Do you guys just switch from msdnc over to abc?
Moreover, when I see Washington times or Gateway pundit or any of the other kook sites like breitbart, downhill, restate, etc...I just assume the story is false.
Anyone who contacts them with a "bombshell" can contact legitimate news sources with the same story.
Then, of course, the conspiracy theories start---"they are suppressing the story".... Which is silly.