Objections to ground zero mosque fuel jihadist ire

[Sky Dancer]

Islam is the third Abrahamaic montheistic religion, next to Christianity and Judaism.

 

[Jack Fate]

Go here and scroll down to the video "Mosque Maniac".

You lefty moonbats are sick.

National Review Online

 

[mattskramer]

"Yada yada yada".

One insult is as good as another. So you don't like my brand, I don't like yours.

I don't resort to name-calling.



Islam is just a religion. It is comparable to other religions. Christianity has its loud-mouths and terrorists too.

And when a religious group challenges our laws by BREAKING them, then yes, we get to police them.

When individuals break laws, then those individuals should be punished in accordance with our legal system. Should all of Christianity be policed because of the actions of some select violent groups of Christians?

Where Islam is different is It's end is Totalitarianism. Other Religions have Reformed to the point that the effect is by example and persuasion, not dictate and cruel and unusual punishment. Separation of Church and State is a Christian concept, Islam is wrestling with the concept, only as a means to convince us to reject it and choose compliance with Sharia Law instead.

Some Muslims advocate conversion by the sword and some do not. Some advocate world conquest and some do not. Christianity had its advocate of global conquest too. Recall the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the concept of Manifest Destiny, and the encroachment of missions as foreign settlers gained more of a foothold on the New World. It was as if immigrants thought that “God has given America to us so get out of our way”.

 

[saveliberty]

I don't resort to name-calling.



Islam is just a religion. It is comparable to other religions. Christianity has its loud-mouths and terrorists too.



When individuals break laws, then those individuals should be punished in accordance with our legal system. Should all of Christianity be policed because of the actions of some select violent groups of Christians?

Where Islam is different is It's end is Totalitarianism. Other Religions have Reformed to the point that the effect is by example and persuasion, not dictate and cruel and unusual punishment. Separation of Church and State is a Christian concept, Islam is wrestling with the concept, only as a means to convince us to reject it and choose compliance with Sharia Law instead.

Some Muslims advocate conversion by the sword and some do not. Some advocate world conquest and some do not. Christianity had its advocate of global conquest too. Recall the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the concept of Manifest Destiny, and the encroachment of missions as foreign settlers gained more of a foothold on the New World. It was as if immigrants thought that “God has given America to us so get out of our way”.

If you can fix the past, by all means, go ahead. If not, then foocus on the murderous lot in front of you. Preferably BEFORE they are behind you and well armed.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It has fueled Jihadist ire and Leftist ire. You do the Math on that one. Hmm?

 

[Intense]

I don't resort to name-calling.



Islam is just a religion. It is comparable to other religions. Christianity has its loud-mouths and terrorists too.



When individuals break laws, then those individuals should be punished in accordance with our legal system. Should all of Christianity be policed because of the actions of some select violent groups of Christians?

Where Islam is different is It's end is Totalitarianism. Other Religions have Reformed to the point that the effect is by example and persuasion, not dictate and cruel and unusual punishment. Separation of Church and State is a Christian concept, Islam is wrestling with the concept, only as a means to convince us to reject it and choose compliance with Sharia Law instead.

Some Muslims advocate conversion by the sword and some do not. Some advocate world conquest and some do not. Christianity had its advocate of global conquest too. Recall the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the concept of Manifest Destiny, and the encroachment of missions as foreign settlers gained more of a foothold on the New World. It was as if immigrants thought that “God has given America to us so get out of our way”.

Sorry Man, in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest. The Crusades started as a defense against Islamic Invasion and conquest. What is your point???? The rest people acting in their own interests, true Religion is not about control over other's as much control over your own will. Reform is a must, that is a given. Missionaries????? Give them a break, do the research, first. What exactly is the penalty for Righteous action, what ever your faith???

 

[mattskramer]

Where Islam is different is It's end is Totalitarianism. Other Religions have Reformed to the point that the effect is by example and persuasion, not dictate and cruel and unusual punishment. Separation of Church and State is a Christian concept, Islam is wrestling with the concept, only as a means to convince us to reject it and choose compliance with Sharia Law instead.

Some Muslims advocate conversion by the sword and some do not. Some advocate world conquest and some do not. Christianity had its advocate of global conquest too. Recall the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the concept of Manifest Destiny, and the encroachment of missions as foreign settlers gained more of a foothold on the New World. It was as if immigrants thought that “God has given America to us so get out of our way”.

If you can fix the past, by all means, go ahead. If not, then foocus on the murderous lot in front of you. Preferably BEFORE they are behind you and well armed.

We are working on stopping the “murderous lot” in front of us. The enemies are terrorists – not Islam.

 

[MikeK]

[...]We are working on stopping the “murderous lot” in front of us. The enemies are terrorists – not Islam.

Of course you're right but it's simply not prudent to proceed as if there are no volatile crazies who will react to such a project. Take the recent Muslim taxi-driver stabbing, for one example.

My late grand-uncle, a naturalized German, operated a butcher shop in Brooklyn for many years and he was well-respected in the neighborhood for cleanliness and quality. But when WW-II broke out he wisely changed the name on the window from Stierholz Prime Meats to Park Slope Prime Meats.

That era was not a good time for German Americans, even those who had family members serving in the military. So it's not only Islamics who need to exercise common sense and understand there are a lot of dangerous screwballs on the loose in our multi-ethnic society.

 

[mattskramer]

Where Islam is different is It's end is Totalitarianism. Other Religions have Reformed to the point that the effect is by example and persuasion, not dictate and cruel and unusual punishment. Separation of Church and State is a Christian concept, Islam is wrestling with the concept, only as a means to convince us to reject it and choose compliance with Sharia Law instead.

Some Muslims advocate conversion by the sword and some do not. Some advocate world conquest and some do not. Christianity had its advocate of global conquest too. Recall the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the concept of Manifest Destiny, and the encroachment of missions as foreign settlers gained more of a foothold on the New World. It was as if immigrants thought that “God has given America to us so get out of our way”.

Sorry Man, in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest. The Crusades started as a defense against Islamic Invasion and conquest. What is your point???? The rest people acting in their own interests, true Religion is not about control over other's as much control over your own will. Reform is a must, that is a given. Missionaries????? Give them a break, do the research, first. What exactly is the penalty for Righteous action, what ever your faith???

I don’t know what you mean by “in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest”. Whatever you mean by it, I think that it can be applied to Christians and Muslims. The Crusades also involved subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century against pagans and heretics.

The Spanish Inquisition was established by Christians to maintain orthodoxy in the kingdoms. It was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave.

I recommend that you put your feet in another one’s shoes and do some research on the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

Read on about Christian terrorism. You might find it enlightening:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mattskramer]

[...]We are working on stopping the “murderous lot” in front of us. The enemies are terrorists – not Islam.

Of course you're right but it's simply not prudent to proceed as if there are no volatile crazies who will react to such a project. Take the recent Muslim taxi-driver stabbing, for one example.

My late grand-uncle, a naturalized German, operated a butcher shop in Brooklyn for many years and he was well-respected in the neighborhood for cleanliness and quality. But when WW-II broke out he wisely changed the name on the window from Stierholz Prime Meats to Park Slope Prime Meats.

That era was not a good time for German Americans, even those who had family members serving in the military. So it's not only Islamics who need to exercise common sense and understand there are a lot of dangerous screwballs on the loose in our multi-ethnic society.

Perhaps the Muslims are thinking that we, in America, have learned a little something about the sins of generalizing since then.

 

[AllieBaba]

The people who want that mosque are NOT worthy of consideration. Fuck them.

"Muslims across the U.S. and around the world are speaking out against building an Islamic center and mosque near the mass murder site at Ground Zero in lower Manhattan.

Many Muslim voices are echoing conservative critics of the Cordoba Initiative’s attempt to build the 13-story facility just 600 feet from where the twin towers of the World Trade Center once stood."

More Muslims Speak Out Against Ground Zero Mosque

If you're serious about freedom of religion, listen to the true moderates and protect them from the jihadists, like the developer and the imam, who have no problem with people being killed if they don't get with the program.

 

[AllieBaba]

[...]We are working on stopping the “murderous lot” in front of us. The enemies are terrorists – not Islam.

Of course you're right but it's simply not prudent to proceed as if there are no volatile crazies who will react to such a project. Take the recent Muslim taxi-driver stabbing, for one example.

My late grand-uncle, a naturalized German, operated a butcher shop in Brooklyn for many years and he was well-respected in the neighborhood for cleanliness and quality. But when WW-II broke out he wisely changed the name on the window from Stierholz Prime Meats to Park Slope Prime Meats.

That era was not a good time for German Americans, even those who had family members serving in the military. So it's not only Islamics who need to exercise common sense and understand there are a lot of dangerous screwballs on the loose in our multi-ethnic society.

Perhaps the Muslims are thinking that we, in America, have learned a little something about the sins of generalizing since then.

Er..way to imply that all Muslims think the same.

 

[Intense]

Some Muslims advocate conversion by the sword and some do not. Some advocate world conquest and some do not. Christianity had its advocate of global conquest too. Recall the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the concept of Manifest Destiny, and the encroachment of missions as foreign settlers gained more of a foothold on the New World. It was as if immigrants thought that “God has given America to us so get out of our way”.

Sorry Man, in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest. The Crusades started as a defense against Islamic Invasion and conquest. What is your point???? The rest people acting in their own interests, true Religion is not about control over other's as much control over your own will. Reform is a must, that is a given. Missionaries????? Give them a break, do the research, first. What exactly is the penalty for Righteous action, what ever your faith???

I don’t know what you mean by “in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest”. Whatever you mean by it, I think that it can be applied to Christians and Muslims. The Crusades also involved subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century against pagans and heretics.

The Spanish Inquisition was established by Christians to maintain orthodoxy in the kingdoms. It was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave.

I recommend that you put your feet in another one’s shoes and do some research on the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

Read on about Christian terrorism. You might find it enlightening:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry Charlie, It's not Christianity that did that, but a corruption of it. Islam needs reform, not to be stopped, but to stop committing crimes against humanity. Crimes against Humanity are not justified by any means. Stop making excuses for them.

 

[konradv]

It has fueled Jihadist ire and Leftist ire. You do the Math on that one. Hmm?

I did and it turns out you're a big ZERO!!!

 

[chanel]

Dick Morris is no longer using the term "the mosque near ground zero." He's calling it a "Sharia Law School".

That's probably more like it. 15 stories?

 

[Intense]

Dick Morris is no longer using the term "the mosque near ground zero." He's calling it a "Sharia Law School".

That's probably more like it. 15 stories?

I really don't want to refer to it as a Victory Mosque, though the harder they dig in, the more it seems. It would be a relief to really see it as an outreach center, but too much already contradicts that.

 

[chanel]

Absolutely. And the more people learn about Sharia (which they are), the more vocal and widespread will be the opposition. This controversy is not going away any time soon.

 

[newpolitics]

Sorry Man, in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest. The Crusades started as a defense against Islamic Invasion and conquest. What is your point???? The rest people acting in their own interests, true Religion is not about control over other's as much control over your own will. Reform is a must, that is a given. Missionaries????? Give them a break, do the research, first. What exactly is the penalty for Righteous action, what ever your faith???

I don’t know what you mean by “in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest”. Whatever you mean by it, I think that it can be applied to Christians and Muslims. The Crusades also involved subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century against pagans and heretics.

The Spanish Inquisition was established by Christians to maintain orthodoxy in the kingdoms. It was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave.

I recommend that you put your feet in another one’s shoes and do some research on the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

Read on about Christian terrorism. You might find it enlightening:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry Charlie, It's not Christianity that did that, but a corruption of it. Islam needs reform, not to be stopped, but to stop committing crimes against humanity. Crimes against Humanity are not justified by any means. Stop making excuses for them.

It's not Islam that did anything either, but a corruption of it. Don't you see? Anything you say about Islam, you can say about Christianity. So much worse has been done in Christianity's name, its ridiculous. It doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, it's people. People are evil and will do things in the name of something else as a justification, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, whatever... don't vilify a religion. vilify yourself first.

 

[Intense]

I don’t know what you mean by “in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest”. Whatever you mean by it, I think that it can be applied to Christians and Muslims. The Crusades also involved subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century against pagans and heretics.

The Spanish Inquisition was established by Christians to maintain orthodoxy in the kingdoms. It was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave.

I recommend that you put your feet in another one’s shoes and do some research on the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

Read on about Christian terrorism. You might find it enlightening:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry Charlie, It's not Christianity that did that, but a corruption of it. Islam needs reform, not to be stopped, but to stop committing crimes against humanity. Crimes against Humanity are not justified by any means. Stop making excuses for them.

It's not Islam that did anything either, but a corruption of it. Don't you see? Anything you say about Islam, you can say about Christianity. So much worse has been done in Christianity's name, its ridiculous. It doesn't have anything to do with Christianity, it's people. People are evil and will do things in the name of something else as a justification, whether it be Christianity, Islam, Judaism, whatever... don't vilify a religion. vilify yourself first.

Yes and no. A channel of Islam did it. All channels of Islam benefit when it comes down to real estate. Conversion through persuasion, is different than the end justifying the means. Foul means, should alway's be condemned. You are bent on comparing Present Islam with past Christian practices, when in truth, in the past, most of Human History was engulfed in violence and world conquest. We have reformed, you might have missed that. It's okay if you blame it on public school education. I feel you there man. We are about Liberty, Voice, and Human Rights, as Individual's whether in the Majority or Minority. Now, rinse and Repeat. Towel dry and you are gonna come out squeaky clean.

 

[mattskramer]

Sorry Man, in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest. The Crusades started as a defense against Islamic Invasion and conquest. What is your point???? The rest people acting in their own interests, true Religion is not about control over other's as much control over your own will. Reform is a must, that is a given. Missionaries????? Give them a break, do the research, first. What exactly is the penalty for Righteous action, what ever your faith???

I don’t know what you mean by “in the Totalitarian State the Sword trumps all. It is the final decree, beyond appeal. The Sword dictates World conquest”. Whatever you mean by it, I think that it can be applied to Christians and Muslims. The Crusades also involved subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century against pagans and heretics.

The Spanish Inquisition was established by Christians to maintain orthodoxy in the kingdoms. It was originally intended in large part to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. This regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave.

I recommend that you put your feet in another one’s shoes and do some research on the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

Read on about Christian terrorism. You might find it enlightening:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry Charlie, It's not Christianity that did that, but a corruption of it. Islam needs reform, not to be stopped, but to stop committing crimes against humanity. Crimes against Humanity are not justified by any means. Stop making excuses for them.

Likewise, terroristic Muslims corrupt Islam.