Obama's War on Coal Country Families

Coal incineration emissions can be mitigated to a least denominator. And for a fraction of what the Obama administration spends on "alternatives".

Obama and his EPA suck donkey sphincter.
 
Here's what I hope is the future for coal, and saving the coal related jobs from natural gas beating the shit out of it on costs at both point of purchase, and emissions costs.

EPA approves FutureGen plan for CO2 storage - News - The State Journal-Register - Springfield IL

Good luck, the US is #1 in ze world,,,hahahahahahahahahahah,,,in gas production!!:cheers2::happy-1::mm::party::salute::thewave:

Then why the hell is it so high when you use it in your home?:mad:
I was talking more about industrial uses. Natural gas HRSG power plants are replacing the coal fleet for power providers, because natural gas is cheaper to use, and has half of the carbon emissions, and no fly ash to deal with. So, HRSGs don't have to have scrubbers or SO2 SCR units built into the design, or retrofitted.

Some good news for the future is that natural gas exports will happen soon, and the price of gas will go up (it's always been a volatile commodity with wild price swings).
 
Yeah, our coop moved over to the new gas fired plant near us....then the gas prices skyrocketed last winter and electric ran 400 bucks a month for 3 months....then only around 300 for 3 months, Coulda bought a lot of weed for that cash...bummer
 
Yeah, our coop moved over to the new gas fired plant near us....then the gas prices skyrocketed last winter and electric ran 400 bucks a month for 3 months....then only around 300 for 3 months, Coulda bought a lot of weed for that cash...bummer
How does the co-op pricing work?
 
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Yeah, our coop moved over to the new gas fired plant near us....then the gas prices skyrocketed last winter and electric ran 400 bucks a month for 3 months....then only around 300 for 3 months, Coulda bought a lot of weed for that cash...bummer
How does the co-op pricing work?
They buy whoresale, then rape the consumer....It is higher than living in a metropolis....or a megalopolis.....
 
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Yeah, our coop moved over to the new gas fired plant near us....then the gas prices skyrocketed last winter and electric ran 400 bucks a month for 3 months....then only around 300 for 3 months, Coulda bought a lot of weed for that cash...bummer
How does the co-op pricing work?
They buy whoresale, then rape the consumer....It is higher than living in a metropolis....or a megalopolis.....
How do your bills compare with other electric companies that are privately owned, for profit, power suppliers?
 
I see my Muddr in laws electric bill and it runs 50% less than the COOP, but you know that has to do with the fact that her supplier is getting hot of their griddle...they cook it themselves, we get it second hand,,and the concentration of customers per square foot divided by the marginal effect rate of flow....
 
Ah, but COOPS are socialistic by their very nature. You who participate in them surely understood that so why all the whinging about the costs you brought on yourselves? Oh, that's right! Liberals lie, even to themselves, about the cost of their cockamamie ideas and try to blame the thoroughly predictable expensive results on others. Are you absolutely SURE you can't find some way to blame Booooooshhhhh?
 
I see my Muddr in laws electric bill and it runs 50% less than the COOP, but you know that has to do with the fact that her supplier is getting hot of their griddle...they cook it themselves, we get it second hand,,and the concentration of customers per square foot divided by the marginal effect rate of flow....
Odd, because most local or state owned electricity providers usually run far less than the private companies in costs. You'd think a co-mop would be able to do something closer to what government owned power providers charge, instead of the more expensive private providers.
 
You waited all that time to leap, just to let me feed the troll, thinking you were not a demon frog??
The COOP was invited by the farmers in 1948....
 
I see my Muddr in laws electric bill and it runs 50% less than the COOP, but you know that has to do with the fact that her supplier is getting hot of their griddle...they cook it themselves, we get it second hand,,and the concentration of customers per square foot divided by the marginal effect rate of flow....
Odd, because most local or state owned electricity providers usually run far less than the private companies in costs. You'd think a co-mop would be able to do something closer to what government owned power providers charge, instead of the more expensive private providers.

All I stated was my MIL's bill was 50% lower in cost, I never said that she has a smaller house than I, and her house in not all electric like mine,,,,
because I could feel the force of a spam.....on rye.
 
I see my Muddr in laws electric bill and it runs 50% less than the COOP, but you know that has to do with the fact that her supplier is getting hot of their griddle...they cook it themselves, we get it second hand,,and the concentration of customers per square foot divided by the marginal effect rate of flow....
Odd, because most local or state owned electricity providers usually run far less than the private companies in costs. You'd think a co-mop would be able to do something closer to what government owned power providers charge, instead of the more expensive private providers.

All I stated was my MIL's bill was 50% lower in cost, I never said that she has a smaller house than I, and her house in not all electric like mine,,,,
because I could feel the force of a spam.....on rye.
I was asking about the bills in other areas. I didn't ask about your MIL's house. I was going by the first statement that the co-op was expensive. I just found it odd, that's all.
 
Here's what I hope is the future for coal, and saving the coal related jobs from natural gas beating the shit out of it on costs at both point of purchase, and emissions costs.

EPA approves FutureGen plan for CO2 storage - News - The State Journal-Register - Springfield IL

Natural gas isn't "beating the shit out of coal." The EPA is beating the shit out of coal. It's regulating coal into extinction. The technology you mention above is a joke. Anyone who thinks a coal plant that has to remove the CO2 from it's emissions is ever going to be cost competitive is the biggest kind of fool there is.
 
Here's what I hope is the future for coal, and saving the coal related jobs from natural gas beating the shit out of it on costs at both point of purchase, and emissions costs.

EPA approves FutureGen plan for CO2 storage - News - The State Journal-Register - Springfield IL

Natural gas isn't "beating the shit out of coal." The EPA is beating the shit out of coal. It's regulating coal into extinction. The technology you mention above is a joke. Anyone who thinks a coal plant that has to remove the CO2 from it's emissions is ever going to be cost competitive is the biggest kind of fool there is.
You're obviously ignorant about this, too.

The coal power plant managers and power company execs I talk to all point to the relative cheapness of natural gas as the biggest reason for coal taking a beating. You can't argue against dollars and cents. And natural gas relies on by very little in the way of scrubbing pollutants, and has half of the carbon emissions of coal. Making carbon capture and sequestration cheaper is going to be necessary to be able to see US energy needs going into the future as gas price volatility is certain. There was a lot of natural gas HRSGs being built 20 years ago, that saw many of them built then barely used as gas prices spiked in the early 2000s. Coal stepped in to replace gas as the energy source that was favored because it's more stable in pricing. And coal mines aren't hurting much in recent years, if at all. They're selling to China and India to feed the coal fired energy booms there.
 

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