Obamacare Signing Up Illegals

[billyerock1991]

would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

i see your point and your idea has merit but i think the best solution is to seal our border tighter than a drum. But i also believe that we should save that information and pass it along to ice. Knowing that their information would be passed along would keep them from signing up for obamacare. Then, when they go to the hospital to have their anchor baby, the hospital would be forced to report to the proper authorities that folks are trying to get free medical coverage without insurance (which is now the law). Perhaps that would make sneaking into the usa a little bit less appealing.

obama is padding his numbers by signing up illegals.

That's the point of the thread. They're stealing elections with illegals as well. Busloads of somalis showing up in ohio to vote. None of them able to speak english. They flood states with illegals, like california, and turn them into liberal states. They're trying to do it in texas as we speak.

and you've been drinking too much sterno ...

 

[billyerock1991]

i see your point and your idea has merit but i think the best solution is to seal our border tighter than a drum. But i also believe that we should save that information and pass it along to ice. Knowing that their information would be passed along would keep them from signing up for obamacare. Then, when they go to the hospital to have their anchor baby, the hospital would be forced to report to the proper authorities that folks are trying to get free medical coverage without insurance (which is now the law). Perhaps that would make sneaking into the usa a little bit less appealing.

obama is padding his numbers by signing up illegals.

That's the point of the thread. They're stealing elections with illegals as well. Busloads of somalis showing up in ohio to vote. None of them able to speak english. They flood states with illegals, like california, and turn them into liberal states. They're trying to do it in texas as we speak.

they don't even bother trying to be subtle about it anymore because so many people are too stupid to care, and the media is so deeply in their pocket now.

you do realize that the republicans own the majority of the media don't ya ??? Didn't think so

 

[billyerock1991]

the dream act has nothing to do with obamacare....and this has been debunked a thousand times.

Illegal immigrants are covered under the health care law, chain email says | PolitiFact Florida

the affordable care act contains an individual mandate that requires individuals to purchase health insurance. It allows u.s. Citizens and legal residents to purchase insurance on health insurance exchanges, often receiving tax credits.

But none of it applies to people who are here illegally. They don’t have to follow the mandate because they shouldn’t be here. They remain ineligible for regular medicaid coverage, just as they are ineligible for food stamps. They cannot obtain coverage through state-based health insurance exchanges (thus, they are also ineligible for tax credits to offset the cost of getting that coverage).

Now, certain low-income illegal immigrants are eligible for emergency medicaid coverage, including childbirth and surgery. And federal law requires hospitals not to turn away individuals for emergency treatment, even if they are uninsured (or undocumented), according to the national immigration law center.

But those policies predate the affordable care act.

"they don’t get health insurance, which is coverage, which is different than a hospital getting reimbursed for medicaid," said laura goodhue, executive director of florida chain, a consumer health advocacy group.

The affordable care act does provide some benefits for certain legal non-u.s. Citizens. We repeat: Legal.

Immigrants who are in the country legally are subject to the mandate and are eligible to shop on the exchanges.

i hate to tell you it clearly says in the bill that you must be an american citizen to get any part of the aca act ... You can't get health care, perion if you aren't a citizen ...you can't get medicaid either unless you are an american citizen ... I challenge you to give me the page number of the aca act that's says you can get health care if you are a legal alien ...

 

[william the wie]

He certainly was.

This is hardly surprising. It was part of the plan all along.

What planning? The annual and lifetime caps only work if the needed specialists and drug companies accept exchange reimbursement rates otherwise you pay in full and get the crappy reimbursement rates when and if the checks are cut.

 

[william the wie]

While it is true that these actions are criminal under the ACA does anyone expect the Holder Justice Department to enforce inconvenient laws?

 

[billyerock1991]

health care & daca deferred action - national immigration law center

they won't click on that link.......


So here's some of the text on the site.

part 1: Restricted access to health care
what are the health care restrictions released by the obama administration on august 28, 2012?

The obama administration released two official policy announcements on august 28, 2012, that affect the eligibility for federal health care programs of individuals granted deferred action under the administration’s “deferred action for childhood arrivals” (daca) policy. the policies announced on august 28 — issued as federal regulations and guidance — do not affect any other immigration category and do not affect individuals granted deferred action apart from the daca policy.

The announcement changes federal rules for daca-eligible individuals by excluding them from affordable health insurance options that are available to other individuals with deferred action. See below for more details.

Before the changes announced on august 28, some daca-eligible individuals would have gained access to more options for affordable and comprehensive health insurance. Youth granted daca who are under 21 years of age or pregnant and who are otherwise eligible would have been able to apply for free or low-cost health insurance through a state’s medicaid program or children’s health insurance program (chip) in about half of the states. In some states, pregnant women will continue to have access to federal health insurance coverage under chip regardless of their immigration status. (see the nilc table “medical assistance programs for immigrants in various states” (pdf).)

after 2014, daca-eligible individuals would have had additional options to buy affordable health insurance in their state as a result of federal health care reform. (the health care reform law’s name is the affordable care act (aca). Sometimes it is referred to as “obamacare.”)

as a result of the august 28 changes, daca-eligible individuals will remain excluded from almost all affordable health insurance options. They will be treated as though they are undocumented, even though they are otherwise considered lawfully present and are eligible for a work permit and a social security number. Unless their state has established a state-funded health coverage program, their only opportunity to obtain affordable, comprehensive health insurance may be through employment.
When do the restrictions go into effect?

The restrictions are effective august 30, 2012. The restrictions apply to every daca-eligible individual effective immediately.
What do people granted deferred action outside of daca have access to in terms of health care?

People granted “non-daca” deferred action:

Enroll in low-cost, comprehensive health insurance available through medicaid or chip in about half the states, if they are under age 21 or pregnant. See below for more details.
Enroll in a state’s high-risk insurance pool, referred to as the pre-existing condition insurance plan (pcip). This allows u.s. Citizens and lawfully present immigrants who are currently uninsured and cannot get health insurance because they have a particular medical condition (such as cancer, high blood pressure, diabetes, depression) to buy more affordable health insurance.

After january 1, 2014, people with non-daca deferred action status:

Can buy private, comprehensive health insurance if health insurance is not available to them through their school or work. This new way of buying health insurance under federal health care reform is often referred to as the “health insurance marketplace,” although the marketplace may have a unique name in each state, such as “covered california” or the “new york state of health.” open enrollment in the marketplace for coverage in 2014 starts october 1, 2013, and ends march 31, 2014. undocumented people are not eligible to buy health insurance inside the marketplace.
Can apply for financial assistance to pay for the private health insurance purchased through the marketplace. The financial assistance will be provided in the form of federal refundable tax credits, known as “premium tax credits” and “cost-sharing reductions.” the amount of the tax credit will be based on income. As a result, the price of health insurance will vary based on an individual’s or family’s income, so it will be more affordable. See below for more information.
Can enroll in a “basic health program,” if their state has one, starting in 2015. The basic health program will be another affordable health insurance option for low-income and working families.
Will be required to have health insurance under the “individual mandate” unless it is unaffordable or the individual is eligible for an exemption.
health care & daca deferred action - national immigration law center​

like i said you're such a moron ...the numbers you are speaking of are miniscule at best ... The way you make it sound that every illegal in the country gets this .. They don't ... This has to be approved by the government you idiot ... You're making mountains out of piss ant hills ...

 

[billyerock1991]

for the ignorant.... You cannot purchase obamacare.....

You purchase private insurance.

Ijits....

why didn't you know obama care is private insurance ... At least thats what they want you to believe

 

[billyerock1991]

for the ignorant.... You cannot purchase obamacare.....

You purchase private insurance.

Ijits....

twit, it will be forever tagged "obamacare" deal with it.

twit!!!! You do realize nobody takes a paid poster serious ... That's why you're not taken serious anymore...

 

[billyerock1991]

health care & daca deferred action - national immigration law center

they won't click on that link.......


So here's some of the text on the site.

part 1: Restricted access to health care
what are the health care restrictions released by the obama administration on august 28, 2012?

The obama administration released two official policy announcements on august 28, 2012, that affect the eligibility for federal health care programs of individuals granted deferred action under the administration’s “deferred action for childhood arrivals” (daca) policy. the policies announced on august 28 — issued as federal regulations and guidance — do not affect any other immigration category and do not affect individuals granted deferred action apart from the daca policy.

The announcement changes federal rules for daca-eligible individuals by excluding them from affordable health insurance options that are available to other individuals with deferred action. See below for more details.

Before the changes announced on august 28, some daca-eligible individuals would have gained access to more options for affordable and comprehensive health insurance. Youth granted daca who are under 21 years of age or pregnant and who are otherwise eligible would have been able to apply for free or low-cost health insurance through a state’s medicaid program or children’s health insurance program (chip) in about half of the states. In some states, pregnant women will continue to have access to federal health insurance coverage under chip regardless of their immigration status. (see the nilc table “medical assistance programs for immigrants in various states” (pdf).)

after 2014, daca-eligible individuals would have had additional options to buy affordable health insurance in their state as a result of federal health care reform. (the health care reform law’s name is the affordable care act (aca). Sometimes it is referred to as “obamacare.”)

as a result of the august 28 changes, daca-eligible individuals will remain excluded from almost all affordable health insurance options. They will be treated as though they are undocumented, even though they are otherwise considered lawfully present and are eligible for a work permit and a social security number. Unless their state has established a state-funded health coverage program, their only opportunity to obtain affordable, comprehensive health insurance may be through employment.
When do the restrictions go into effect?

The restrictions are effective august 30, 2012. The restrictions apply to every daca-eligible individual effective immediately.
What do people granted deferred action outside of daca have access to in terms of health care?

People granted “non-daca” deferred action:

Enroll in low-cost, comprehensive health insurance available through medicaid or chip in about half the states, if they are under age 21 or pregnant. See below for more details.
Enroll in a state’s high-risk insurance pool, referred to as the pre-existing condition insurance plan (pcip). This allows u.s. Citizens and lawfully present immigrants who are currently uninsured and cannot get health insurance because they have a particular medical condition (such as cancer, high blood pressure, diabetes, depression) to buy more affordable health insurance.

After january 1, 2014, people with non-daca deferred action status:

Can buy private, comprehensive health insurance if health insurance is not available to them through their school or work. This new way of buying health insurance under federal health care reform is often referred to as the “health insurance marketplace,” although the marketplace may have a unique name in each state, such as “covered california” or the “new york state of health.” open enrollment in the marketplace for coverage in 2014 starts october 1, 2013, and ends march 31, 2014. undocumented people are not eligible to buy health insurance inside the marketplace.
Can apply for financial assistance to pay for the private health insurance purchased through the marketplace. The financial assistance will be provided in the form of federal refundable tax credits, known as “premium tax credits” and “cost-sharing reductions.” the amount of the tax credit will be based on income. As a result, the price of health insurance will vary based on an individual’s or family’s income, so it will be more affordable. See below for more information.
Can enroll in a “basic health program,” if their state has one, starting in 2015. The basic health program will be another affordable health insurance option for low-income and working families.
Will be required to have health insurance under the “individual mandate” unless it is unaffordable or the individual is eligible for an exemption.
health care & daca deferred action - national immigration law center​

nice cherry picking...but that's not the intent.

the way mudpacker wants you to believe that every illigal is getting medicaid ... That's his mentality

 

[billyerock1991]

would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

unbelievable.

They need to go home.

I have no idea how they can do this, .gov requires an ssi # and they had to have filed a tax return in 13.

I would be very skeptical of this.

it is possible to acquire a social security number without a legal status. My guess is those illegals at one point had a temporary job like fruit picking and acquired their social security numbers this way. Once they were done with their temp job though, they were expected to leave.

If the employer has their social security number, the illegals need to pay their taxes, thus the need to file a tax return.

Come 2016 when the new administration takes over, the illegals are taking a huge risk as the government can and will use dmv info to track them down and deport them.

you do realize if you aren't and American citizen you can't get social security... Legally ... It just won't happen ...come 2016 you republicans will be whining so much it will be heaven sent ... Because theY lost the majority for sure in both houses ...

 

[Lumpy 1]

would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

these republicans are so crass, that even the thought of a illegal getting health care on medicaid will make they have a heart attack ... Mever mind the idea of the hospital getting paid for once, its the idea that they would get health care is just unthinkable ...after all they do bust their asses cleaning doing all heavy labor jobs, and even picking the food they eat ... Get health care for doing that??? That's unthinkable for these repub-lie-tards

I guess that's all they're good for in your eyes..yet you blame Republicans for your own personal perspective...

 

[boedicca]

He certainly was.

This is hardly surprising. It was part of the plan all along.

What planning? The annual and lifetime caps only work if the needed specialists and drug companies accept exchange reimbursement rates otherwise you pay in full and get the crappy reimbursement rates when and if the checks are cut.

The plan is to Buy Votes. By the time these people realize what a Ponzi scheme ObamaCare is, the 2014 elections will be long over.

 

[Antares]

for the ignorant.... You cannot purchase obamacare.....

You purchase private insurance.

Ijits....

twit, it will be forever tagged "obamacare" deal with it.

twit!!!! You do realize nobody takes a paid poster serious ... That's why you're not taken serious anymore...

Poor Billie Boi....you have it backwards.....nobody pays an unintelligent little boi like you any attention.

I am paid to sell insurance...and I am averaging 5 grand a check...

Don't be a hatah because you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

 

[jillian]

For the ignorant.... you cannot purchase OBAMACARE.....

you purchase private insurance.

ijits....

Twit, it will be forever tagged "Obamacare" deal with it.

only in your brainddead little mind.

it is PRIVATE INSURANCE. there is no product called OBAMACARE except in the rightwingnut mind.

 

[Antares]

For the ignorant.... you cannot purchase OBAMACARE.....

you purchase private insurance.

ijits....

Twit, it will be forever tagged "Obamacare" deal with it.

only in your brainddead little mind.

it is PRIVATE INSURANCE. there is no product called OBAMACARE except in the rightwingnut mind.

Honey I speak to anywhere from 25 to 100 people a day on the phone.....almost EVERY time their opening line is "I need to sign up for that Obamacare".

You are apparently as ignorant as Billy Boi there.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "Obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by Reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

thats the key right there Kat....."in some cases"....how many will be contributing?...how many will get the A ticket and ride for free?....

 

[Antares]

Would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "Obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by Reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

thats the key right there Kat....."in some cases"....how many will be contributing?...how many will get the A ticket and ride for free?....

Maybe 3% of my clients end up paying nothing.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Would it be a better option to just let them just remain under the radar, show up at a local emergency room get free medical care and give birth to even more children free of charge, while taxpayers foot the bill?

Or does it make more sense to get them into a health care plan where they will have to in some cases pay something?

Or is the concern based more on seeing the affordable healthcare act fail because it is an "Obama" initiative?

Either way, the illegal immigrants are here, and some are probably either new, and some are probably the offspring of those that were given amnesty by Reagan.

Whatever the case is, they are not going anywhere.

I see your point and your idea has merit but I think the best solution is to seal our border tighter than a drum. But I also believe that we SHOULD save that information and pass it along to ICE. Knowing that their information would be passed along would keep them from signing up for Obamacare. Then, when they go to the hospital to have their anchor baby, the hospital would be forced to report to the proper authorities that folks are trying to get free medical coverage without insurance (which is now the law). Perhaps that would make sneaking into the USA a little bit less appealing.

Obama is padding his numbers by signing up illegals.

That's the point of the thread. They're stealing elections with illegals as well. Busloads of Somalis showing up in Ohio to vote. None of them able to speak English. They flood states with illegals, like California, and turn them into liberal states. They're trying to do it in Texas as we speak.

California getting Illegals?....are you sure?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

the dream act has nothing to do with obamacare....and this has been debunked a thousand times.

Illegal immigrants are covered under the health care law, chain email says | PolitiFact Florida

the affordable care act contains an individual mandate that requires individuals to purchase health insurance. It allows u.s. Citizens and legal residents to purchase insurance on health insurance exchanges, often receiving tax credits.

But none of it applies to people who are here illegally. They don’t have to follow the mandate because they shouldn’t be here. They remain ineligible for regular medicaid coverage, just as they are ineligible for food stamps. They cannot obtain coverage through state-based health insurance exchanges (thus, they are also ineligible for tax credits to offset the cost of getting that coverage).

Now, certain low-income illegal immigrants are eligible for emergency medicaid coverage, including childbirth and surgery. And federal law requires hospitals not to turn away individuals for emergency treatment, even if they are uninsured (or undocumented), according to the national immigration law center.

But those policies predate the affordable care act.

"they don’t get health insurance, which is coverage, which is different than a hospital getting reimbursed for medicaid," said laura goodhue, executive director of florida chain, a consumer health advocacy group.

The affordable care act does provide some benefits for certain legal non-u.s. Citizens. We repeat: Legal.

Immigrants who are in the country legally are subject to the mandate and are eligible to shop on the exchanges.

i hate to tell you it clearly says in the bill that you must be an american citizen to get any part of the aca act ... You can't get health care, perion if you aren't a citizen ...you can't get medicaid either unless you are an american citizen ... I challenge you to give me the page number of the aca act that's says you can get health care if you are a legal alien ...

hey David....the Illegal next door to me had a Hernia Operation.....he doesnt have Ins.....he didnt pay for it....were he was working....that guy didnt pay for it........guess who did David?....by the way....he says thanks for pitching in....

 

[Zander]

Bottom line - there is very little to celebrate about Obamacare. Even the die hards are running from the catastrophe.


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