Obamacare Premiums to Soar- 20- 40%

[Socialist]

I don't understand why the US doesn't just go to universal healthcare like almost every other country.. We spend much more and get worse results in many factors, although healthcare isn't the only thing we fall behind on.. Obamacare is a joke, we need UHC.

Never gonna happen. Feel free to move to Canada.

Why will it never happen? Oh wait, idiots are conditionalized with literal bullshit against UHC by fox news and the like. It's more cost effective, helps everyone..

You're a socialist so that automatically makes you stupid. I will keep this simple to avoid confusing you.: UHC will never happen because Healthcare is too important to be left to government.

Seriously? This is what the right wing has these days, cling to the red scare and bullshit, label anyone who calls themselves socialist stupid, wait, let's go with that, ok.. Albert einstein must've been stupid, same with MLK.. Fucking idiot. Oh, seriously? UHC works amazingly, it's more cost effective, the doctors in the countries with UHC love it, finland/canada/britain/etc/etc.. Don't try to feed me the bullshit about people leaving the country because they'll die on a waiting list, in any country with UHC, any condition that will kill someone or that is fatal gets treatment almost immediately, if the condition is minor and not a danger to ones life, yes, their is a waiting list, much like american healthcare has waiting lists. There's a reason every canadian/etc I've talked to laugh at the screencaps I pull from this site, so many blind idiots.

You're stupid for believing in Socialism. It has a 100% fail rate.

Define socialism and how you define "failure." Oh wait, you lack a rudimentary understanding of history and every country that's not america.

 

[Shrimpbox]

anymore," Obama said. "This is not a set of political talking points. This is reality. We can see how it is working. This law is working exactly as it's supposed to. In many ways, this law is working better than we expected it to."

Read more: Obama statement on Supreme Court Obamacare decision - Business Insider

He will lie about all of it til after he is not president. He talks,of bending the cost curve down, yeah right because no one can afford the co pays for treatment so they do not get healthcare when they need it. He punishes the middle class to give illegal aliens healthcare for free. The game of smoke and mirrors and shell games ought to come to a head just in time for elections.

 

[Zander]

Never gonna happen. Feel free to move to Canada.

Why will it never happen? Oh wait, idiots are conditionalized with literal bullshit against UHC by fox news and the like. It's more cost effective, helps everyone..

You're a socialist so that automatically makes you stupid. I will keep this simple to avoid confusing you.: UHC will never happen because Healthcare is too important to be left to government.

Seriously? This is what the right wing has these days, cling to the red scare and bullshit, label anyone who calls themselves socialist stupid, wait, let's go with that, ok.. Albert einstein must've been stupid, same with MLK.. Fucking idiot. Oh, seriously? UHC works amazingly, it's more cost effective, the doctors in the countries with UHC love it, finland/canada/britain/etc/etc.. Don't try to feed me the bullshit about people leaving the country because they'll die on a waiting list, in any country with UHC, any condition that will kill someone or that is fatal gets treatment almost immediately, if the condition is minor and not a danger to ones life, yes, their is a waiting list, much like american healthcare has waiting lists. There's a reason every canadian/etc I've talked to laugh at the screencaps I pull from this site, so many blind idiots.

You're stupid for believing in Socialism. It has a 100% fail rate.

Define socialism and how you define "failure." Oh wait, you lack a rudimentary understanding of history and every country that's not america.

Socialism is a failed political ideology based entirely on envy.

You should move to Greece, or France where you can live the dream!! Why stay here?

 

[Synthaholic]

Health insurance companies around the country are seeking rate increases of 20 percent to 40 percent or more

Yeah, George Pataki is seeking the nomination, too.

Clown thread, folks.

 

[Socialist]

Why will it never happen? Oh wait, idiots are conditionalized with literal bullshit against UHC by fox news and the like. It's more cost effective, helps everyone..

You're a socialist so that automatically makes you stupid. I will keep this simple to avoid confusing you.: UHC will never happen because Healthcare is too important to be left to government.

Seriously? This is what the right wing has these days, cling to the red scare and bullshit, label anyone who calls themselves socialist stupid, wait, let's go with that, ok.. Albert einstein must've been stupid, same with MLK.. Fucking idiot. Oh, seriously? UHC works amazingly, it's more cost effective, the doctors in the countries with UHC love it, finland/canada/britain/etc/etc.. Don't try to feed me the bullshit about people leaving the country because they'll die on a waiting list, in any country with UHC, any condition that will kill someone or that is fatal gets treatment almost immediately, if the condition is minor and not a danger to ones life, yes, their is a waiting list, much like american healthcare has waiting lists. There's a reason every canadian/etc I've talked to laugh at the screencaps I pull from this site, so many blind idiots.

You're stupid for believing in Socialism. It has a 100% fail rate.

Define socialism and how you define "failure." Oh wait, you lack a rudimentary understanding of history and every country that's not america.

Socialism is a failed political ideology based entirely on envy.

You should move to Greece, or France where you can live the dream!! Why stay here?

What the fuck are you talking about? Socialism is democratic control of the means of production, and you clearly know nothing about Greece, greece had been failing WAY before the socialists came into power, in fact, the socialists in greece got elected because greece was in such bad shape. France? Don't see what the fuck you brought up france for, france/greece aren't socialist you idiot. If you want to cherrypick keynesian states, I can pick out many. Canada/denmark/norway/finland/germany/sweden/etc/etc.. You're a nut.

 

[Zander]

Health insurance companies around the country are seeking rate increases of 20 percent to 40 percent or more

Yeah, George Pataki is seeking the nomination, too.

Clown thread, folks.

Oregon already approved increases of 20% for some plans.

You're a socialist so that automatically makes you stupid. I will keep this simple to avoid confusing you.: UHC will never happen because Healthcare is too important to be left to government.

Seriously? This is what the right wing has these days, cling to the red scare and bullshit, label anyone who calls themselves socialist stupid, wait, let's go with that, ok.. Albert einstein must've been stupid, same with MLK.. Fucking idiot. Oh, seriously? UHC works amazingly, it's more cost effective, the doctors in the countries with UHC love it, finland/canada/britain/etc/etc.. Don't try to feed me the bullshit about people leaving the country because they'll die on a waiting list, in any country with UHC, any condition that will kill someone or that is fatal gets treatment almost immediately, if the condition is minor and not a danger to ones life, yes, their is a waiting list, much like american healthcare has waiting lists. There's a reason every canadian/etc I've talked to laugh at the screencaps I pull from this site, so many blind idiots.

You're stupid for believing in Socialism. It has a 100% fail rate.

Define socialism and how you define "failure." Oh wait, you lack a rudimentary understanding of history and every country that's not america.

Socialism is a failed political ideology based entirely on envy.

You should move to Greece, or France where you can live the dream!! Why stay here?

What the fuck are you talking about? Socialism is democratic control of the means of production, and you clearly know nothing about Greece, greece had been failing WAY before the socialists came into power, in fact, the socialists in greece got elected because greece was in such bad shape. France? Don't see what the fuck you brought up france for, france/greece aren't socialist you idiot. If you want to cherrypick keynesian states, I can pick out many. Canada/denmark/norway/finland/germany/sweden/etc/etc.. You're a nut.

Do try to stay focused. We are talking about UHC. Greece and France have UHC.

So why stay here?

 

[Socialist]

Health insurance companies around the country are seeking rate increases of 20 percent to 40 percent or more

Yeah, George Pataki is seeking the nomination, too.

Clown thread, folks.

Oregon already approved increases of 20% for some plans.

Seriously? This is what the right wing has these days, cling to the red scare and bullshit, label anyone who calls themselves socialist stupid, wait, let's go with that, ok.. Albert einstein must've been stupid, same with MLK.. Fucking idiot. Oh, seriously? UHC works amazingly, it's more cost effective, the doctors in the countries with UHC love it, finland/canada/britain/etc/etc.. Don't try to feed me the bullshit about people leaving the country because they'll die on a waiting list, in any country with UHC, any condition that will kill someone or that is fatal gets treatment almost immediately, if the condition is minor and not a danger to ones life, yes, their is a waiting list, much like american healthcare has waiting lists. There's a reason every canadian/etc I've talked to laugh at the screencaps I pull from this site, so many blind idiots.

You're stupid for believing in Socialism. It has a 100% fail rate.

Define socialism and how you define "failure." Oh wait, you lack a rudimentary understanding of history and every country that's not america.

Socialism is a failed political ideology based entirely on envy.

You should move to Greece, or France where you can live the dream!! Why stay here?

What the fuck are you talking about? Socialism is democratic control of the means of production, and you clearly know nothing about Greece, greece had been failing WAY before the socialists came into power, in fact, the socialists in greece got elected because greece was in such bad shape. France? Don't see what the fuck you brought up france for, france/greece aren't socialist you idiot. If you want to cherrypick keynesian states, I can pick out many. Canada/denmark/norway/finland/germany/sweden/etc/etc.. You're a nut.

Do try to stay focused. We are talking about UHC. Greece and France have UHC.

So why stay here?

Yes, and so does every country I've listed, you do realize greece is failing due to years of policies that have absolutely nothing to do with the UHC system there, and more with tax evasion, you idiot. With france? I don't see your point there, however, you ignore almost every other thriving country with UHC/high progressive taxes/etc to live in your little right wing bubble. Fuck off.

 

[Zander]

Health insurance companies around the country are seeking rate increases of 20 percent to 40 percent or more

Yeah, George Pataki is seeking the nomination, too.

Clown thread, folks.

Oregon already approved increases of 20% for some plans.

You're stupid for believing in Socialism. It has a 100% fail rate.

Define socialism and how you define "failure." Oh wait, you lack a rudimentary understanding of history and every country that's not america.

Socialism is a failed political ideology based entirely on envy.

You should move to Greece, or France where you can live the dream!! Why stay here?

What the fuck are you talking about? Socialism is democratic control of the means of production, and you clearly know nothing about Greece, greece had been failing WAY before the socialists came into power, in fact, the socialists in greece got elected because greece was in such bad shape. France? Don't see what the fuck you brought up france for, france/greece aren't socialist you idiot. If you want to cherrypick keynesian states, I can pick out many. Canada/denmark/norway/finland/germany/sweden/etc/etc.. You're a nut.

Do try to stay focused. We are talking about UHC. Greece and France have UHC.

So why stay here?

Yes, and so does every country I've listed, you do realize greece is failing due to years of policies that have absolutely nothing to do with the UHC system there, and more with tax evasion, you idiot. With france? I don't see your point there, however, you ignore almost every other thriving country with UHC/high progressive taxes/etc to live in your little right wing bubble. Fuck off.

If only Greece was MORE socialist, then they'd of made it.........Why do you think people cheat on their taxes? Because the rates are too low?



What about Spain? Portugal? Italy? They're broke too......nothing to do with socialist policies?

Face it pal, you're in the wrong country..

Move to Cuba. It's a worker's paradise!! and they have UHC!!

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Obama thinks he's Greek.

 

[Geaux4it]

Garbage Obama plans- Insurance premiums spark new front in Obamacare war

Insurance premiums have quickly become a new front in the Obamacare fight, with opponents pouncing on big increases and supporters and experts countering the increases won't be so bad.

The fight started last month when insurers were required to disclose estimated 2016 rates of 10 percent or more for Obamacare customers. Some figures grabbed headlines, especially with certain insurers calling for 50 to 70 percent increases.

Insurance premiums spark new front in Obamacare war Washington Examiner

 

[auditor0007]

IF this is true then something needs to be done...Can the liberals at least agree with that?

I'm having a real issue with this because these insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year. Somebody is lying to us. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

 

[auditor0007]

Funny. I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. And if true - that should make people scream even louder for Medicare for all - SINGLE PAYER!!!!! We need to get insurance companies out of the equation - because they serve no purpose.

I'm hearing it from reputable sources but something smells fishy. All of the major insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year, so why the need for such big increases? Someone is lying to us and people need to start asking questions. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

 

[dblack]

I don't understand why the US doesn't just go to universal healthcare like almost every other country.. We spend much more and get worse results in many factors, although healthcare isn't the only thing we fall behind on.. Obamacare is a joke, we need UHC.

Because a significant portion of US voters don't want government in charge of their healthcare.

 

[Geaux4it]

Funny. I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. And if true - that should make people scream even louder for Medicare for all - SINGLE PAYER!!!!! We need to get insurance companies out of the equation - because they serve no purpose.

I'm hearing it from reputable sources but something smells fishy. All of the major insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year, so why the need for such big increases? Someone is lying to us and people need to start asking questions. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

It's the government control that is causing the increase in premiums. Just like Obama's credit card reform. All it did was raise those with excellent credit ratings interest rates. Someone has to pay for the boondoggle

-Geaux

 

[auditor0007]

Funny. I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. And if true - that should make people scream even louder for Medicare for all - SINGLE PAYER!!!!! We need to get insurance companies out of the equation - because they serve no purpose.

I'm hearing it from reputable sources but something smells fishy. All of the major insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year, so why the need for such big increases? Someone is lying to us and people need to start asking questions. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

It's the government control that is causing the increase in premiums. Just like Obama's credit card reform. All it did was raise those with excellent credit ratings interest rates. Someone has to pay for the boondoggle

-Geaux

The rate increases have nothing to do with the government. It's the insurance companies blaming it on people using their insurance too much and them having to pay out more than they expected, yet while they tell us this, they are exceeding earnings expectations. Based on their reasoning for needing these increases, you would expect that they were either showing earnings below expectations or even actually losing money. Neither is the case, so they are not being honest.

 

[dblack]

Funny. I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. And if true - that should make people scream even louder for Medicare for all - SINGLE PAYER!!!!! We need to get insurance companies out of the equation - because they serve no purpose.

I'm hearing it from reputable sources but something smells fishy. All of the major insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year, so why the need for such big increases? Someone is lying to us and people need to start asking questions. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

It's the government control that is causing the increase in premiums. Just like Obama's credit card reform. All it did was raise those with excellent credit ratings interest rates. Someone has to pay for the boondoggle

-Geaux

The rate increases have nothing to do with the government. It's the insurance companies blaming it on people using their insurance too much and them having to pay out more than they expected, yet while they tell us this, they are exceeding earnings expectations. Based on their reasoning for needing these increases, you would expect that they were either showing earnings below expectations or even actually losing money. Neither is the case, so they are not being honest.

They aren't being honest because they don't need to be. Thanks to ACA, they get customers regardless. And that as everything to do with government.

 

[auditor0007]

Funny. I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. And if true - that should make people scream even louder for Medicare for all - SINGLE PAYER!!!!! We need to get insurance companies out of the equation - because they serve no purpose.

I'm hearing it from reputable sources but something smells fishy. All of the major insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year, so why the need for such big increases? Someone is lying to us and people need to start asking questions. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

It's the government control that is causing the increase in premiums. Just like Obama's credit card reform. All it did was raise those with excellent credit ratings interest rates. Someone has to pay for the boondoggle

-Geaux

The rate increases have nothing to do with the government. It's the insurance companies blaming it on people using their insurance too much and them having to pay out more than they expected, yet while they tell us this, they are exceeding earnings expectations. Based on their reasoning for needing these increases, you would expect that they were either showing earnings below expectations or even actually losing money. Neither is the case, so they are not being honest.

They aren't being honest because they don't need to be. Thanks to ACA, they get customers regardless. And that as everything to do with government.

So why do they need these massive rate increases if they are already exceeding earnings expectations? They are doing better than they expected and doing very well, yet they need these extremely large increases? This is not being driven by the economic environment.

 

[dblack]

Funny. I'll believe it when I hear it from a credible source. And if true - that should make people scream even louder for Medicare for all - SINGLE PAYER!!!!! We need to get insurance companies out of the equation - because they serve no purpose.

I'm hearing it from reputable sources but something smells fishy. All of the major insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year, so why the need for such big increases? Someone is lying to us and people need to start asking questions. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

It's the government control that is causing the increase in premiums. Just like Obama's credit card reform. All it did was raise those with excellent credit ratings interest rates. Someone has to pay for the boondoggle

-Geaux

The rate increases have nothing to do with the government. It's the insurance companies blaming it on people using their insurance too much and them having to pay out more than they expected, yet while they tell us this, they are exceeding earnings expectations. Based on their reasoning for needing these increases, you would expect that they were either showing earnings below expectations or even actually losing money. Neither is the case, so they are not being honest.

They aren't being honest because they don't need to be. Thanks to ACA, they get customers regardless. And that as everything to do with government.

So why do they need these massive rate increases if they are already exceeding earnings expectations? They are doing better than they expected and doing very well, yet they need these extremely large increases? This is not being driven by the economic environment.

Exactly. It's being driven by political influence. They've insulated themselves from economic reality with legislative mandate.

 

[auditor0007]

I'm hearing it from reputable sources but something smells fishy. All of the major insurance companies are beating earnings expectations this year, so why the need for such big increases? Someone is lying to us and people need to start asking questions. Anthem is latest health insurer to beat profit expectations - LA Times

It's the government control that is causing the increase in premiums. Just like Obama's credit card reform. All it did was raise those with excellent credit ratings interest rates. Someone has to pay for the boondoggle

-Geaux

The rate increases have nothing to do with the government. It's the insurance companies blaming it on people using their insurance too much and them having to pay out more than they expected, yet while they tell us this, they are exceeding earnings expectations. Based on their reasoning for needing these increases, you would expect that they were either showing earnings below expectations or even actually losing money. Neither is the case, so they are not being honest.

They aren't being honest because they don't need to be. Thanks to ACA, they get customers regardless. And that as everything to do with government.

So why do they need these massive rate increases if they are already exceeding earnings expectations? They are doing better than they expected and doing very well, yet they need these extremely large increases? This is not being driven by the economic environment.

Exactly. It's being driven by political influence. They've insulated themselves from economic reality with legislative mandate.

So why are the rate increases being approved? Just saying because of government involvement doesn't cover it.

 

[hadit]

You can't just slam a bunch of very expensive regulations on an industry and not expect to see cost increases. One of Obama's biggest lies about this whole thing was that a family could expect to see cost savings of thousands per year.