Obamacare: Deal with it

[RDD_1210]

Government can run at a deficit indefinitely.. that is not competition...

And they compensate by taxing about 1/2 the population more because of it

Has the US Post Office put FedEx and UPS out of business?

Whoops, there goes that talking point of yours.

Mailing something is MANDATED??? You are FORCED to mail or send packages?

And the post office is running at a loss, and being subsidized by TAXATION to do so.. the only way it can compete...

And funny.. I see a post office in the constitution.. not healthcare or paying for medical services

Who said a public option is mandated? Fail.

You guys aren't very good at this.

 

[RDD_1210]

Except that isn't apples to apples since the PO has a monopoly on most types of mail service.
Fail on you, asshole.
But note the PO is running billion dollar deficits and could to infinity with taxpayer support.

And even with that "advantage" of being able to run those deficits it still hasn't led to the private options from being pushed out of the market.

Yet another Rabbi fail.

Yet it is a felony for UPS or FedEx to put something in your mail box... helping to ensure that the tax subsidized post office survives

And yet, even with that FedEx and UPS continue to survive. Thanks for proving my point.....again!

 

[RDD_1210]

Except that isn't apples to apples since the PO has a monopoly on most types of mail service.
Fail on you, asshole.
But note the PO is running billion dollar deficits and could to infinity with taxpayer support.

And even with that "advantage" of being able to run those deficits it still hasn't led to the private options from being pushed out of the market.

Yet another Rabbi fail.

Yawn.
That all you got, asshole?

And he punts! Typical Rabbi...loses again when all common sense and facts are against him

 

[RDD_1210]

And even with that "advantage" of being able to run those deficits it still hasn't led to the private options from being pushed out of the market.

Yet another Rabbi fail.

Fedex and UPS were smart enough to realize the market the post office owns was not profitable and was being replaced by email and electronic billing. there was no way they were going to invest in the infrastructure required to service a dying market

They couldn't if they wanted to. The PO has a monopoly over that kind of mail delivery.

And despite all of these advantages, the private options aren't dying out. You continue to prove my point turnip.

 

[DiamondDave]

Fedex and UPS were smart enough to realize the market the post office owns was not profitable and was being replaced by email and electronic billing. there was no way they were going to invest in the infrastructure required to service a dying market

They couldn't if they wanted to. The PO has a monopoly over that kind of mail delivery.

And despite all of these advantages, the private options aren't dying out. You continue to prove my point turnip.

Yet you keep paying more to keep the post office competitive thru the post office getting subsidized thru the general tax fund (or the debt fund)..

giving the government an unfair advantage in the game... the very same ones making the rules about the game

And this is something the federal government (the post office that is) is allowed to do... your health upkeep is not something the government is allowed to do

you cannot see the forest for the trees, you moron

 

[The Rabbi]

And even with that "advantage" of being able to run those deficits it still hasn't led to the private options from being pushed out of the market.

Yet another Rabbi fail.

Yet it is a felony for UPS or FedEx to put something in your mail box... helping to ensure that the tax subsidized post office survives

And yet, even with that FedEx and UPS continue to survive. Thanks for proving my point.....again!

Because your "point" is perfectly analogous, right?

 

[Geaux4it]

We should be able to OPT in or OPT out of this cluster. Let those that want degraded healthcare have it. Those of us that don't, leave us the hell alone.

-Geaux

 

[Trajan]

Did you know that Obamacare today isn't the same bill that Obama signed back in 09' and still hasn't been fully implemented?

The original bill was roughly 2200 pages. Currently there are 20,000 pages of regulations that have been added to it. The bill is 8 feet thick. Nobody knows exactly what's in it. Nobody really understands it ether.

What gives them the right to change a law after it has been signed to such an extent? And what makes you think that Obama will enforce it equally?

Obamacare will continue to be ammended. for one, we can't afford it once if fully kicks in. more part time jobs and less people working mean the demand for it will be greater thant projected. it also means less people will be paying into it and more poeple drawing from it.

if obama would let the bill roll as it was written, we'll deal with it........but....

 

[Greenbeard]

ObamaCare will not be repealed or defunded. Deal with it. - The Week

Sure it will!

Obamacare won't survive the town halls of the summer of '09.

Obamacare won't be able to scrape together sixty votes to break the filibuster in the Senate.

Scott Brown's election to the Senate in January 2010 is going to kill Obamacare by making a conference bill impossible.

The 2010 elections are going to choke Obamacare by defunding implementation.

The Supreme Court is going to strike down the individual mandate and with it all the rest of Obamacare in 2012.

Mitt Romney is going to repeal Obamacare after he beats Obama in 2012.

The Republicans are going to "win" a shutdown in 2013 and defund Obamacare.

Ad nauseum.

 

[rightwinger]

Remind me how the GOP did anything to Obamacare, Nutsucker. Not a single Republican voted for it. It's all on the Dems.

Let's see...

A misinformation campaign
Delay
Threats
Lawsuits
Blocking implementation at the state level
Filibusters
40 votes to repeal

No Republicans haven't done anything

 

[Geaux4it]

ObamaCare will not be repealed or defunded. Deal with it. - The Week

Sure it will!

Obamacare won't survive the town halls of the summer of '09.

Obamacare won't be able to scrape together sixty votes to break the filibuster in the Senate.

Scott Brown's election to the Senate in January 2010 is going to kill Obamacare by making a conference bill impossible.

The 2010 elections are going to choke Obamacare by defunding implementation.

The Supreme Court is going to strike down the individual mandate and with it all the rest of Obamacare in 2012.

Mitt Romney is going to repeal Obamacare after he beats Obama in 2012.

The Republicans are going to "win" a shutdown in 2013 and defund Obamacare.

Ad nauseum.

That does not change the fact that majority of Americans don't want it. Plus, the court called it a tax for which Adolf Obama said it wasn't

-Geaux

 

[Greenbeard]

That does not change the fact that majority of Americans don't want it. Plus, the court called it a tax for which Adolf Obama said it wasn't

-Geaux

There was realistically only one way to ever get rid of Obamacare and punish the president for the SCOTUS ruling. Reminder of how that turned out:

 

[Trajan]

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus’ gaff—defined in Washington as when someone inadvertently tells the truth—about ObamaCare being a “train wreck” was actually an understatement.....

Actually, Sen. Baucus, ObamaCare Is Facing Multiple Train Wrecks - Forbes


we all know that the gop never said they would sppt obamacare, period and they didn't and aren't, whining about it is kind of foolish.....

 

[The Rabbi]

That does not change the fact that majority of Americans don't want it. Plus, the court called it a tax for which Adolf Obama said it wasn't

-Geaux

There was realistically only one way to ever get rid of Obamacare and punish the president for the SCOTUS ruling. Reminder of how that turned out:

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Past performance is no guarantee of future returns.
I remember how the Dems were going to sweep the elections in 2010. Didnt turn out that way, huh.

 

[Geaux4it]

That does not change the fact that majority of Americans don't want it. Plus, the court called it a tax for which Adolf Obama said it wasn't

-Geaux

There was realistically only one way to ever get rid of Obamacare and punish the president for the SCOTUS ruling. Reminder of how that turned out:

I'm glad Romney lost. No fan here.

The majority of Americans don't want Obamacare regardless of how they voted

-Geaux

 

[Greenbeard]

I'm glad Romney lost. No fan here.

That makes two of us!

 

[Trajan]

ObamaCare will not be repealed or defunded. Deal with it. - The Week

Sure it will!

Obamacare won't survive the town halls of the summer of '09.

Obamacare won't be able to scrape together sixty votes to break the filibuster in the Senate.

Scott Brown's election to the Senate in January 2010 is going to kill Obamacare by making a conference bill impossible.

The 2010 elections are going to choke Obamacare by defunding implementation.

The Supreme Court is going to strike down the individual mandate and with it all the rest of Obamacare in 2012.

Mitt Romney is going to repeal Obamacare after he beats Obama in 2012.

The Republicans are going to "win" a shutdown in 2013 and defund Obamacare.

Ad nauseum.

so we are down to this eh?

obama killed the class act, obama put off the employer mandate, obama threw the waivers, obama has now decided that somehow some way the feds will pony up $$ to keep the congress and staff out of obamacare......

the gop hasn't really done much but yes, take votes they know are pretty much useless propaganda...*shrugs*...


oh hey, did you ever go back and tell me why Pelosi was now satisfied after the congressional staffer coverage gig was addressed by obama?

 

[MeBelle]

If Obamacare is as bad as you all say.....why don't Republicans try to fix what is wrong?

Repeal is not an option. What's the matter Republicans? You got nothing.....fix it

House Approves ACA Employer, Individual Mandate Delay Bills - California Healthline

Republican lawmakers have sensed an opportunity to delay the ACA's individual mandate following the Obama administration's recent decision to delay the employer mandate until 2015

^^^^this^^^^​

Fair for everyone, ammiright?
Where does this bill sit now?
I think the bigger question here is why won't Obama delay the individual mandate like he did the employer mandate.

 

[MeBelle]

There goes Aetna!

Beating feet out of California...
Aetna to Drop Out of California's Individual Insurance Market


Connecticut, Maryland and Georgia too...
Aetna dropping out of Conn. health exchange - Yahoo! Finance

Ohio is not happy about this:

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Health insurance rates in Ohio will rise an average of 18 percent for small businesses and 41 percent for individuals participating in the new marketplaces created by the federal health care law, state insurance officials said Thursday.
Ohio rates, services to increase under health law - Yahoo! Finance

That's just a few off the top of my fingertips.

 

[The Rabbi]

There goes Aetna!

Beating feet out of California...
Aetna to Drop Out of California's Individual Insurance Market


Connecticut, Maryland and Georgia too...
Aetna dropping out of Conn. health exchange - Yahoo! Finance

Ohio is not happy about this:

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Health insurance rates in Ohio will rise an average of 18 percent for small businesses and 41 percent for individuals participating in the new marketplaces created by the federal health care law, state insurance officials said Thursday.
Ohio rates, services to increase under health law - Yahoo! Finance

That's just a few off the top of my fingertips.

The closer we get to implementation the more unworkable it becomes. Let's pass a vote to postpone it until Congress votes for a balanced budget.