Obama thinks we're all stupid. Some of you really are.

[PMZ]

What difference, at this point, does it make? obama knew from Nov 2010 that individual health insurance plans would be cancelled and yet he continuously said "if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period". He didn't say "if you like your group plan you can keep your group plan; 17 million who have individual plans will likely have yours cancelled". He didn't say "if you like your plan you can keep your plan UNLESS ...". Hell, he didn't even say "if you like your plan you can keep your plan unless the newly re-written grand-father regulations prohibit that, please make sure to find out if this pertains to you. For information on this please go here."

He knew millions would lose their plans and yet he went out and lied about it by saying "if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period."

I think you are trying to sell the Republican desperate propaganda that blames Obama on insurance business decisions.

What we're the regulations that eliminated the grandfathering choice?

Try reading what I posted, above. They pandered to business group coverage and nailed individual coverage for those same changes.

You don't think at all. Why do you refuse to comment on the obvious? Regardless of what the regulations were/were changed to .... the fact is that obama paraded around and continuously, repeatedly, matter-of-factly stated that "if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period". He put no conditions on his statement, did he? You have dodged this over and over and over in this thread and constantly try to shift the fact that obama lied onto the insurance companies. You are wrong. And no one is blaming obama for decisions that businesses make ... we're blaming obama for lying to people when he said they could keep their plans.

If the case was "you can keep your plan if you like your plan UNLESS your provider blah, blah, blah" he should have stated such. He. Did. Not. and he knew for three years that millions would get the shaft. He lied. Keep dancing around it.

What we're the regulations that eliminated the grandfathering of existing policies?

 

[flacaltenn]

I think you are trying to sell the Republican desperate propaganda that blames Obama on insurance business decisions.

What we're the regulations that eliminated the grandfathering choice?

Try reading what I posted, above. They pandered to business group coverage and nailed individual coverage for those same changes.

You don't think at all. Why do you refuse to comment on the obvious? Regardless of what the regulations were/were changed to .... the fact is that obama paraded around and continuously, repeatedly, matter-of-factly stated that "if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period". He put no conditions on his statement, did he? You have dodged this over and over and over in this thread and constantly try to shift the fact that obama lied onto the insurance companies. You are wrong. And no one is blaming obama for decisions that businesses make ... we're blaming obama for lying to people when he said they could keep their plans.

If the case was "you can keep your plan if you like your plan UNLESS your provider blah, blah, blah" he should have stated such. He. Did. Not. and he knew for three years that millions would get the shaft. He lied. Keep dancing around it.

What we're the regulations that eliminated the grandfathering of existing policies?

We've already explained that to you multiple times.. Go read back..

All I can tell you PMZ --- is that the title of thread was designed with you in mind.

Spoiler: Do you Remember the Title?

Obama thinks we're all stupid. Some of you really are.

 

[PMZ]

Try reading what I posted, above. They pandered to business group coverage and nailed individual coverage for those same changes.

You don't think at all. Why do you refuse to comment on the obvious? Regardless of what the regulations were/were changed to .... the fact is that obama paraded around and continuously, repeatedly, matter-of-factly stated that "if you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period". He put no conditions on his statement, did he? You have dodged this over and over and over in this thread and constantly try to shift the fact that obama lied onto the insurance companies. You are wrong. And no one is blaming obama for decisions that businesses make ... we're blaming obama for lying to people when he said they could keep their plans.

If the case was "you can keep your plan if you like your plan UNLESS your provider blah, blah, blah" he should have stated such. He. Did. Not. and he knew for three years that millions would get the shaft. He lied. Keep dancing around it.

What we're the regulations that eliminated the grandfathering of existing policies?

We've already explained that to you multiple times.. Go read back..

All I can tell you PMZ --- is that the title of thread was designed with you in mind.

Spoiler: Do you Remember the Title?

Obama thinks we're all stupid. Some of you really are.

Then how come nobody can explain it again? Alzeheimers?

 

[flacaltenn]

I think it would help PMZ if you were here to CONVERSE AND LISTEN to others.. Rather than use this opportunity to vent your political frustrations.. Zoom and others have explained to you that "grandfathering" means nothing IF at the same time you DEMAND BY LAW changes to those policies that NEUTRALIZES the "grandfathering". That's what your lying ass Dem leadership did..

See for instance MY STORY -- which WASN'T about the quality of my plan. It was because they never GAVE ME A CHANCE to "grandfather" anything.. Your THEIVES simply outlawed the ability of Groups to form nationally ((unless you're a union or politically connected and get a waiver))

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...id-some-of-you-really-are-45.html#post8112883

 

[RandallFlagg]

I think it would help PMZ if you were here to CONVERSE AND LISTEN to others.. Rather than use this opportunity to vent your political frustrations.. Zoom and others have explained to you that "grandfathering" means nothing IF at the same time you DEMAND BY LAW changes to those policies that NEUTRALIZES the "grandfathering". That's what your lying ass Dem leadership did..

See for instance MY STORY -- which WASN'T about the quality of my plan. It was because they never GAVE ME A CHANCE to "grandfather" anything.. Your THEIVES simply outlawed the ability of Groups to form nationally ((unless you're a union or politically connected and get a waiver))

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...id-some-of-you-really-are-45.html#post8112883

That's what liberals do. They cloud the issue with "details" that obscure and obfuscate. Or they outright just change the conversation.

Let's look at this realistically, shall we?

What was Obarrycare "supposed" to do? It was "supposed" to insure the "18 million uninsured". What has it done, thus far? It has created more than 5 million MORE uninsured. This is non disputable. Thoise "uninsured" are signing up, not for Obarrycare, but for FREE Medicaid at the expense of the American taxpayer.

In 2014 when the employer mandate kicks in, it is estimated that there will be anywhere from 10 to 20 million additional people added to the roles of the uninsured.

Now, I'm certain that the cult of Obama will tell you straightaway that "it is an unqualified success" but where I come from (the REAL world) it is an unmitigated disaster that only promises to get much, MUCH worse before it is finally replaced by the socialist single payer plan - inevitably.

So, the only thing, in my book that has been accomplished is the death of the best healthcare system the world has even known - to subjugate tens of millions to the socialist system and "fundamentally transform" the United States of America into just another bottom-feeding country.

Congratulations liberals.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Just saw tape of Jay Carney over the past week or so saying exactly what PMS is saying ... that it's the insurance companies fault, obama gets a pass. PMS is just parroting leftist bs talking points, nothing more. Not worth the time.

 

[daveman]

U

I can't think of a single person with less class than you.

...hes said, from the safe warm confines of Obama's transverse colon.

Meanwhile, you've utterly failed to answer the question (gasp ):

Am I your enemy, boy?

Yes, America's enemies are my enemies gramps.

How, exactly, am I your enemy, boy?

 

[Papageorgio]

U

...hes said, from the safe warm confines of Obama's transverse colon.

Meanwhile, you've utterly failed to answer the question (gasp ):

Am I your enemy, boy?

Yes, America's enemies are my enemies gramps.

How, exactly, am I your enemy, boy?

Because you think for yourself. Liberals believe that is dangerous.

 

[PMZ]

U

...hes said, from the safe warm confines of Obama's transverse colon.

Meanwhile, you've utterly failed to answer the question (gasp ):

Am I your enemy, boy?

Yes, America's enemies are my enemies gramps.

How, exactly, am I your enemy, boy?

Gramps, you are dedicated to bringing my country down. You are the equivalent of the Taliban except you are already inside my country. You are the enemy of America and all Americans

 

[PMZ]

U

Yes, America's enemies are my enemies gramps.

How, exactly, am I your enemy, boy?

Because you think for yourself. Liberals believe that is dangerous.

A conservative that thinks for himself and independently concludes that everything he's heard on Fox is flawless.

Right.

 

[Papageorgio]

How, exactly, am I your enemy, boy?

Because you think for yourself. Liberals believe that is dangerous.

A conservative that thinks for himself and independently concludes that everything he's heard on Fox is flawless.

Right.

You know how fucking stupid you are? I don't watch FOX News, I don't care what it broadcasts. You assholes are tied to HuffPo, MSNBC and Slate. You fuckers have never thought for yourselves

 

[PMZ]

Because you think for yourself. Liberals believe that is dangerous.

A conservative that thinks for himself and independently concludes that everything he's heard on Fox is flawless.

Right.

You know how fucking stupid you are? I don't watch FOX News, I don't care what it broadcasts. You assholes are tied to HuffPo, MSNBC and Slate. You fuckers have never thought for yourselves

Nobody admits to Fox.

 

[Papageorgio]

A conservative that thinks for himself and independently concludes that everything he's heard on Fox is flawless.

Right.

You know how fucking stupid you are? I don't watch FOX News, I don't care what it broadcasts. You assholes are tied to HuffPo, MSNBC and Slate. You fuckers have never thought for yourselves

Nobody admits to Fox.

That is because I don't watch it, you pay more attention to it and Limbaugh than most conservatives. I don't understand the lefts massive obsession with things conservatives don't care about. I am usually on-line to read stories. They are mostly AP, NYT and CNN. It's easy to tell when they are bullshitting everyone, unless you are a liberal, then it's gospel.

 

[LilOlLady]

Obama did not cancel your insurance you were happy with. Your insurance company did because they did not want to give you your money's worth of healthcare. Obamacare will give you idots a better deal than the insurance you were happy with. I still stand by my man.

 

[PMZ]

You know how fucking stupid you are? I don't watch FOX News, I don't care what it broadcasts. You assholes are tied to HuffPo, MSNBC and Slate. You fuckers have never thought for yourselves

Nobody admits to Fox.

That is because I don't watch it, you pay more attention to it and Limbaugh than most conservatives. I don't understand the lefts massive obsession with things conservatives don't care about. I am usually on-line to read stories. They are mostly AP, NYT and CNN. It's easy to tell when they are bullshitting everyone, unless you are a liberal, then it's gospel.

Nobody admits to Fox.

 

[PMZ]

Obama did not cancel your insurance you were happy with. Your insurance company did because they did not want to give you your money's worth of healthcare. Obamacare will give you idots a better deal than the insurance you were happy with. I still stand by my man.

In the absence of Republican propaganda, the introduction of ACA would be a non event. People would objectively understand it, and would be bouyed through the inevitable start up issues by the public's overwhelmingly good experience with Medicare. Including the highly functional Medicare website.

In fact, in the absence of Republican propaganda, we would have undoubtedly took on greater progress in fixing our largest obstacle to global competitiveness.

Republicanism, in its current form, is the most destructive internal force America has faced.

There are only two choices. Republicans exorcise their conservative demons, or Americans exorcise Republicans from government.

 

[PMZ]

Obama did not cancel your insurance you were happy with. Your insurance company did because they did not want to give you your money's worth of healthcare. Obamacare will give you idots a better deal than the insurance you were happy with. I still stand by my man.

In the absence of Republican propaganda, the introduction of ACA would be a non event. People would objectively understand it, and would be bouyed through the inevitable start up issues by the public's overwhelmingly good experience with Medicare. Including the highly functional Medicare website.

In fact, in the absence of Republican propaganda, we would have undoubtedly undertaken greater progress in fixing our largest obstacle to global competitiveness.

Republicanism, in its current form, is the most destructive internal force America has faced.

There are only two choices. Republicans exorcise their conservative demons, or Americans exorcise Republicans from government.

 

[BobPlumb]

Nobody admits to Fox.

That is because I don't watch it, you pay more attention to it and Limbaugh than most conservatives. I don't understand the lefts massive obsession with things conservatives don't care about. I am usually on-line to read stories. They are mostly AP, NYT and CNN. It's easy to tell when they are bullshitting everyone, unless you are a liberal, then it's gospel.

Nobody admits to Fox.

I'm watching Fox now. All the news sources are bias. I would rather watch Fox than an "Obama caused a tingle up my leg" news source.

 

[PMZ]

That is because I don't watch it, you pay more attention to it and Limbaugh than most conservatives. I don't understand the lefts massive obsession with things conservatives don't care about. I am usually on-line to read stories. They are mostly AP, NYT and CNN. It's easy to tell when they are bullshitting everyone, unless you are a liberal, then it's gospel.

Nobody admits to Fox.

I'm watching Fox now. All the news sources are bias. I would rather watch Fox than an "Obama caused a tingle up my leg" news source.

Prepackaged opinions are the opium of the ignorant.

 

[daveman]

U

Yes, America's enemies are my enemies gramps.

How, exactly, am I your enemy, boy?

Gramps, you are dedicated to bringing my country down. You are the equivalent of the Taliban except you are already inside my country. You are the enemy of America and all Americans

I didn't ask for progressive bullshit that gets passed around the prog echo chambers, boy. I wanted something original.

Are you capable?