Obama Tells Black Fathers to Step Up

[Shogun]

uuuhhh…..yuh…. if you say so……it must be so…………..NOT…….shall we talk about your liberal hate speech legislation....for example……or the unfair Fairness Doctrine…..? wake up buddy...

myawww... poor guy.. are you ascerred that a public resource like radio waves won't be dominated by conservative talking heads and thumper radio hour anymore? Yes, you poor guy. Ages from now when people look back at the social attrocities of the 21st century I KNOW they will give the fairness doctrine lots of attention. I don't know where you got the idea that you own the airwaves but, uh, feel free to join the internet revolution and say whatever you want on your own net based show. the finite nature of radio signals aren't the fault of liberals.

and I don't agree with hate speech legislation. Personally, I think the knee jerk reaction like we see in europe is rediculous. BUT, if you are such a fucking purist then tell me just how much of a right fred phelps has to protest dead soldiers because he thinks god hates fags. Same spectrum, buddy.. he's just a few standard deviations to your right.





My definition of family is "antiquated"? Blood ties are now a thing of the past? NOT.

FAMILY does not stop and start around blood, dude. If so, there would be no reason to adopt anyone. Yes, your nuclear family definition is antiquated as hell. Feel free to burst through the 90s and discover a thing or two about culture beyond what you'll read in the bible.



Abstinence doesn't work? ....I guess that's why liberals are so fearful of having abstinence programs in the schools....NOT.


HA! dude.. i'll be swatting you about the head and neck with the EVIDENCE on this point. Feel free to push THIS issue, yo. Abstinance Only programs works about as well as an AA meeting at an oktoberfest beer garden. It's not FEAR, rather, a concern for kids beyond your goofy thumper opinion of morality.


You bet Obama does not support my values or the values of the majority of Americans......although he's doing his best to pretend he does...

yea.. thats why AMERICANS will be voting him into office, eh buddy? Way to make a valuable, solid point. Indeed, YOUR values. I don't support YOUR values either. Likely, you don't support mine. Thats fine. It's why we get to vote on these things. You had your 8 years of incompetence so sit back, strap in, and enjoy 8 years of a leader who can pronounce big words without a hidden microphone bulge in the back of his suit jacket.

 

[Shogun]

*yawn*

your tantrums are tiresome.

and yeah, really coming down hard using that power hammer by saying don't derail unrelated threads with your BS propaganda... silly moi.

oh I know you are just itching for the right moment to validate my "attack" on you, Jill. Do you think im the only one who sees the similarity in your defense of israel?

indeed, nothing says bullshit propaganda quite like a video of a club wielding jew making it clear how much value is put on Pali life...

 

[Ravi]

....however liberals don't want this alternative CHOICE to be taught to teens in the sex ed classes...

Totally untrue. Now you are acting like a right wing loon.

 

[Shogun]

But abstinence is a CHOICE.... and one of the alternatives that a teen can CHOOSE to use....

....however liberals don't want this alternative CHOICE to be taught to teens in the sex ed classes...

....can you tell me WHY?

thats bullshit and you know it. Teachers arent out SUGGESTING that little girsl learn how to suck a dick. Their primary SUGGESTION is not to have sex. But, it's pretty damn stupid to assume that a teacher, or parents for that matter, will keep kids who want to fuck from fucking. Thus, if the teacher AND PARENTS cant keep the kids from fucking at least they are behaving in a way that may circumvent pregnancy and Aids.

quite blaming teahers for your own parental failures.

 

[doeton]

thats bullshit and you know it. Teachers arent out SUGGESTING that little girsl learn how to suck a dick.

there he goes again...giving us a window into his ah...pervert world...

ever get the feeling shogun loves typing stuff like that?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Abstinence ONLY programs have been discredited as failures.

Wrong.

Abstinence only programs DO work....

April 8, 2002
The Effectiveness of Abstinence Education Programs in Reducing Sexual Activity Among Youth
by Robert E. Rector


Critics of abstinence education often assert that while abstinence education that exclusively promotes abstaining from premarital sex is a good idea in theory, there is no evidence that such education can actually reduce sexual activity among young people. Such criticism is erroneous. There are currently 10 scientific evaluations (described below) that demonstrate the effectiveness of abstinence programs in altering sexual behavior.18 Each of the programs evaluated is a real abstinence (or what is conventionally termed an "abstinence only") program; that is, the program does not provide contraceptives or encourage their use.

The abstinence programs and their evaluations are as follows:

Virginity Pledge Programs. An article in the Journal of the American Medical Association by Dr. Michael Resnick and others entitled "Protecting Adolescents From Harm: Findings from the National Longitudinal Study on Adolescent Health" shows that "abstinence pledge" programs are dramatically effective in reducing sexual activity among teenagers in grades 7 through 12.19 Based on a large national sample of adolescents, the study concludes that "Adolescents who reported having taken a pledge to remain a virgin were at significantly lower risk of early age of sexual debut."20
In fact, the study found that participating in an abstinence program and taking a formal pledge of virginity were by far the most significant factors in a youth's delaying early sexual activity. The study compared students who had taken a formal pledge of virginity with students who had not taken a pledge but were otherwise identical in terms of race, income, school performance, degree of religiousness, and other social and demographic factors. Based on this analysis, the authors discovered that the level of sexual activity among students who had taken a formal pledge of virginity was one-fourth the level of that of their counterparts who had not taken a pledge. Overall, nearly 16 percent of girls and 10 percent of boys were found to have taken a virginity pledge.

Not Me, Not Now. Not Me, Not Now is a community-wide abstinence intervention targeted to 9- to 14-year-olds in Monroe County, New York, which includes the city of Rochester. The Not Me, Not Now program devised a mass communications strategy to promote the abstinence message through paid TV and radio advertising, billboards, posters distributed in schools, educational materials for parents, an interactive Web site, and educational sessions in school and community settings. The program sought to communicate five themes: raising awareness of the problem of teen pregnancy, increasing an understanding of the negative consequences of teen pregnancy, developing resistance to peer pressure, promoting parent-child communication, and promoting abstinence among teens.
Not Me, Not Now was effective in reaching early teen listeners, with some 95 percent of the target audience within the county reporting that they had seen a Not Me, Not Now ad. During the intervention period, the program achieved a statistically significant positive shift in attitudes among pre-teens and early teens in the county. The sexual activity rate of 15-year-olds across the county (as reported in the Youth Risk Behavior Survey21 ) dropped by a statistically significant amount from 46.6 percent to 31.6 percent during the intervention period. Finally, the pregnancy rate for girls aged 15 through 17 in Monroe County fell by a statistically significant amount, from 63.4 pregnancies per 1,000 girls to 49.5 pregnancies per 1,000. The teen pregnancy rate fell more rapidly in Monroe County than in comparison counties and in upstate New York in general, and the difference in the rate of decrease was statistically significant.22

Operation Keepsake. Operation Keepsake is an abstinence program for 12- and 13-year-old children in Cleveland, Ohio. Some 77 percent of the children in the program were black or Hispanic. An evaluation of the program in 2001, involving a sample of over 800 students, found that "Operation Keepsake had a clear and sustainable impact on...abstinence beliefs." The evaluation showed that the program reduced the rate of onset of sexual activity (loss of virginity) by roughly two-thirds relative to comparable students in control schools who did not participate in the program. In addition, the program reduced by about one-fifth the rate of current sexual activity among those with prior sexual experience.23


Abstinence by Choice. Abstinence by Choice operates in 20 schools in the Little Rock area of Arkansas. The program targets 7th, 8th, and 9th grade students and reaches about 4,000 youths each year. A recent evaluation, involving a sample of nearly 1,000 students, shows that the program has been highly effective in changing the attitudes that are directly linked to early sexual activity. Moreover, the program reduced the sexual activity rates of girls by approximately 40 percent (from 10.2 percent to 5.9 percent) and the rate for boys by approximately 30 percent (from 22.8 percent to 15.8 percent) when compared with similar students who had not been exposed to the program. (The sexual activity rate of students in the program was compared with the rate of sexual activity among control students in the same grade in the same schools prior to the commencement of the program.)24


Virginity Pledge Movement. A 2001 evaluation of the effectiveness of the virginity pledge movement using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health finds that virginity pledge programs are highly effective in helping adolescents to delay sexual activity. According to the authors of the study:

Adolescents who pledge, controlling for all of the usual characteristics of adolescents and their social contexts that are associated with the transition to sex, are much less likely than adolescents who do not pledge, to have intercourse. The delay effect is substantial and robust. Pledging delays intercourse for a long time.25

The study, based on a sample of more than 5,000 students, concludes that taking a virginity pledge reduces by one-third the probability that an adolescent will begin sexual activity compared with other adolescents of the same gender and age, after controlling for a host of other factors linked to sexual activity rates such as physical maturity, parental disapproval of sexual activity, school achievement, and race. When taking a virginity pledge is combined with strong parental disapproval of sexual activity, the probability of initiation of sexual activity is reduced by 75 percent or more.


Teen Aid and Sex Respect. An evaluation of the Teen Aid and Sex Respect abstinence programs in three school districts in Utah showed that both programs were effective among the students who were at the greatest risk of initiating sexual activity. Approximately 7,000 high school and middle school students participated in the evaluation. To determine the effects of the programs, students in schools with the abstinence programs were compared with students in similar control schools within the same school district. Statistical adjustments were applied to further control for any initial differences between program participants and control students. The programs together were shown to reduce the rate of initiation of sexual activity among at-risk high school students by over a third when compared with a control group of similar students who were not exposed to the program.26 Statistically significant changes in behavior were not found among junior high students.

When high school and junior high school students were examined together, Sex Respect was shown to reduce the rate of initiation of sexual activity among at-risk students by 25 percent when compared with a control group of similar students who were not exposed to the program. Teen Aid was found to reduce the initiation of sex activity by some 17 percent. A third non-abstinence program, Values and Choices, which offered non-directive or value-free instruction in sex education and decision-making, was found to have no impact on sexual behavior.


Family Accountability Communicating Teen Sexuality (FACTS). An evaluation performed for the national Title XX abstinence program examined the effectiveness of the Family Accountability Communicating Teen Sexuality abstinence program in reducing teen sexual activity. The evaluation assessed the FACTS program by comparing a sample of students who participated in the program with a group of comparable students in separate control schools who did not participate in the program. The experimental and control students together comprised a sample of 308 students. The evaluation found the FACTS program to be highly effective in delaying the onset of sexual activity. Students who participated in the program were 30 percent to 50 percent less likely to commence sexual activity than were those who did not participate.27


Postponing Sexual Involvement (PSI). Postponing Sexual Involvement was an abstinence program developed by Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, and provided to low-income 8th grade students. A study published in Family Planning Perspectives, based on a sample of 536 low-income students, showed that the PSI program was effective in altering sexual behavior.28 A comparison of the program participants with a control population of comparable low-income minority students who did not participate showed that PSI reduced the rate of initiation of sexual activity during the 8th grade by some 60 percent for boys and over 95 percent for girls.29 As the study explained:

The program had a pronounced effect on the behavior of both boys and girls who had not been sexually involved before the program.... By the end of eighth grade, boys who had not had the program were more than three times as likely to have begun having sex as were boys who had the program.... Girls who had not had the program were as much as 15 times more likely to have begun having sex as were girls who had had the program.30

The effects of the program lasted into the next school year even though no additional sessions were provided. By the end of the 9th grade, boys and girls who had participated in PSI were still some 35 percent less likely to have commenced sexual activity than were those who had not participated in the abstinence program.31


Project Taking Charge. Project Taking Charge is a six-week abstinence curriculum delivered in home economics classes during the school year. It was designed for use in low-income communities with high rates of teen pregnancy. The curriculum contains these elements: self-development; basic information about sexual biology (anatomy, physiology, and pregnancy); vocational goal-setting; family communication; and values instruction on the importance of delaying sexual activity until marriage. The effect of the program has been evaluated in two sites: Wilmington, Delaware, and West Point, Mississippi. The evaluation was based on a small sample of 91 adolescents. Control and experimental groups were created by randomly assigning classrooms to either receive or not receive the program. The students were assessed immediately before and after the program and through a six-month follow-up.

In the six-month follow-up, Project Taking Charge was shown to have had a statistically significant effect in increasing adolescents' knowledge of the problems associated with teen pregnancy, the problems of sexually transmitted diseases, and reproductive biology. The program was also shown to reduce the rate of onset of sexual activity by 50 percent relative to the students in the control group, although the authors urge caution in the interpretation of these numbers due to the small size of the evaluation sample.32


Teen Aid Family Life Education Project. The Teen Aid Family Life Education Project is a widely used abstinence education program for high school and junior high students. An evaluation of the effectiveness of Teen Aid, involving a sample of over 1,300 students, was performed in 21 schools in California, Idaho, Oregon, Mississippi, Utah, and Washington. The Teen Aid program was shown to have a statistically significant effect in reducing the rate of initiation of sexual activity (loss of virginity) among high-risk high school students, compared with similar students in control schools. Among at-risk high school students who participated in the program, the rate of initiation of sexual activity was cut by more than one-fourth, from 37 percent to 27 percent. A similar pattern of reduction was found among at-risk junior high school students, but the effects did not achieve statistical significance. The program did not have statistically significant effects among lower-risk students.33

Conclusion

Real abstinence education is essential to reducing out-of-wedlock childbearing, preventing sexually transmitted diseases, and improving emotional and physical well-being among the nation's youth. True abstinence education programs help young people to develop an understanding of commitment, fidelity, and intimacy that will serve them well as the foundations of healthy marital life in the future.

Abstinence education programs have repeatedly been shown to be effective in reducing sexual activity among their participants. However, funding for the evaluation of abstinence education programs until very recently has ranged from meager to nonexistent. Currently, the number of adequately funded evaluations of abstinence education is increasing. At present, there are several promising new evaluations nearing completion. As each year passes, it can be expected that the number of evaluations showing that abstinence education does significantly reduce sexual activity will grow steadily.

Abstinence education is a nascent and developing field. Substantial funding for abstinence education became available only within the past few years. As abstinence programs develop and become more broadly available, future evaluations will enable the programs to hone and increase their effectiveness.

The Effectiveness of Abstinence Education Programs in Reducing Sexual Activity Among Youth

 

[Shogun]

there he goes again...giving us a window into his ah...pervert world...

ever get the feeling shogun loves typing stuff like that?

indeed.. it takes a perv to figure out that kids fuck each other.


say, what were you doing at age 16?

 

[Anguille]

But abstinence is a CHOICE.... and one of the alternatives that a teen can CHOOSE to use....

....however liberals don't want this alternative CHOICE to be taught to teens in the sex ed classes...

....can you tell me WHY?

Liberals don't want it taught EXCLUSIVELY.

 

[Ravi]

there he goes again...giving us a window into his ah...pervert world...

ever get the feeling shogun loves typing stuff like that?

I had to rep you for that.

And the answer is yes.

 

[jillian]

Wrong.

Abstinence only programs DO work....

You need to start using real sources....

A long-awaited national study has concluded that abstinence-only sex education, a cornerstone of the Bush administration's social agenda, does not keep teenagers from having sex. Neither does it increase or decrease the likelihood that if they do have sex, they will use a condom.

Study Casts Doubt on Abstinence-Only Programs - washingtonpost.com

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Totally untrue. Now you are acting like a right wing loon.

Show me where liberals are actively promoting abstinence programs in the schools...

The truth is that PARENTS want abstinence programs in the schools.
The truth is that LIBERALS do not...because the philosophies behind the two viewpoints are diametrically opposed.

Parents would rather have the abstinence programs and NOT the liberal sex education programs that are now in place...

 

[Shogun]

The HERITAGE foundation, eh?

what a laugh. Say, nothing like a fucking conservative think tank to pony up and be honest about an issue.


CHECK OUT THE DATES on my links as opposed to yours... Feel free to ponder the relevance of that statement.



Some Abstinence Programs Mislead Teens, Report Says

By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 2, 2004;
Some Abstinence Programs Mislead Teens, Report Says (washingtonpost.com)


Abstinence-Only Programs Under Fire
JAMA. 2008

Chicago—Over the past decade, the US federal government has heavily promoted programs that advocate sexual abstinence as the key strategy for dealing with adolescent sexuality, but studies are demonstrating that the approach has little impact on teen sexual behavior or in preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). As a result, health professionals and government officials are working to end the programs and to expand funding for other types of sexual education initiatives, and many states have refused federal funding for abstinence-only programs.

JAMA -- Abstinence-Only Programs Under Fire, May 7, 2008, Hampton 299 (17): 2013

 

[Shogun]

I had to rep you for that.

And the answer is yes.

ill ask you the same question then.. what were YOU out trying to do at the age of 16? make sweet love or fuck like a rabbit?

 

[Shogun]

Show me where liberals are actively promoting abstinence programs in the schools...

The truth is that PARENTS want abstinence programs in the schools.
The truth is that LIBERALS do not...because the philosophies behind the two viewpoints are diametrically opposed.

Parents would rather have the abstinence programs and NOT the liberal sex education programs that are now in place...

Again, stop blaming TEACHERS for your FAILURE as a parent. If you were doing a better job at home then kids woulnd't need teachers to provide a background on sexual behaviour. Your accusations probably even seem silly to you while you are typing them. There WILL always be a sex ed class, dude. Feel free to excuse your kids from class that day and take them to the creationist museum or something.

 

[Ravi]

Show me where liberals are actively promoting abstinence programs in the schools...

The truth is that PARENTS want abstinence programs in the schools.
The truth is that LIBERALS do not...because the philosophies behind the two viewpoints are diametrically opposed.

Parents would rather have the abstinence programs and NOT the liberal sex education programs that are now in place...

I'll tell you what my kids were told in private and then public school.

The best way to avoid pregnancy or stds is to abstain from sex. They got shown all kinds of things...women giving birth, the effects of AIDS on people, etc. Sweet stuff. They also were told how to avoid these things if their hormones overtook them.

 

[Ravi]

ill ask you the same question then.. what were YOU out trying to do at the age of 16? make sweet love or fuck like a rabbit?

That's not exactly what you said now is it?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You need to start using real sources....



Study Casts Doubt on Abstinence-Only Programs - washingtonpost.com

I did use real sources....sources that showed thousands of kids benefitting from abstinence only programs...how can you just dismiss that?

Your one study of only 2,000 "casts doubt". Like he said

This study isn't rigorous enough to show whether or not [abstinence-only] education works," Wilson said.

 

[doeton]

You need to start using real sources....
Study Casts Doubt on Abstinence-Only Programs - washingtonpost.com

ah come on - how could someone name Robert E. Rector - not be an authority on abstinence.

 

[Shogun]

That's not exactly what you said now is it?

I painted a picture of the farcical nature of Eagles assumptions about liberals and sex ed. If my vocab disturbs you then feel free to block me. Either way, and lie if you want to, you were out trying to do what every 16 year old with raging hormones and intense curiosity was trying to do.


I suggest you listen to "Paradise by the dashboard light" and admit how, once again, you must bow in the presence of my phenomenal insight and mastery of logic.

 

[Shogun]

I did use real sources....sources that showed thousands of kids benefitting from abstinence only programs...how can you just dismiss that?

Your one study of only 2,000 "casts doubt". Like he said

no you didn't. you used some bullshit page from *SHOCKER* the heritage foundation that would be outdated as hell anyway.