Mr. Shaman
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Kickin' Teabagger-ass......'n stackin' 'em like cordwood.....
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March 1, 2012
"North Korea has agreed to stop nuclear tests, uranium enrichment and long-range missile launches and to allow international inspectors to visit its Yongbyon nuclear complex in return for food aid from the United States.
The announcement, made simultaneously by the US state department and North Korea's official news agency on Wednesday, paves the way for the possible resumption of six-party disarmament negotiations with the Communist state.
It also marks a significant policy shift by North Korea's reclusive leadership after the death of longtime ruler Kim Jong-il in December.
"The DPRK, upon request by the US and with a view to maintaining positive atmosphere for the DPRK-US high-level talks, agreed to a moratorium on nuclear tests, long-range missile launches, and uranium enrichment activity at Yongbyon and allow the IAEA to monitor the moratorium on uranium enrichment while productive dialogues continue," the official KCNA news agency said."
Clinton came close to reaching an agreement with North Korea
It was Bush's strong arm tactics that put us ten years back
BullshitCorrection:
That's.......
"In March, 2001, Bush surprised the world by announcing, during a visit by South Korean president Kim Dae-jung, that the United States would not resume Clinton-era talks with North Korea. Kim was visiting the US to seek Bush's support for the so-called "Sunshine Policy" of peace and reconciliation with North Korea, a work which won Kim the Nobel Peace Prize. The South Korean president favored resuming talks from the Clinton days, considered successful for achieving a moratorium on North Korea's missile testing in 1999. Bush refused, citing skepticism about the trustworthiness of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.
Three months later in June, 2001, Bush surprised the world again by having a sudden change of heart. He decided to resume the talks after what the State Department said was "an intense review by Washington on its policies towards North Korea." The New York Times, however, paints a different picture of why the president changed his mind after all the tough-talking he did back in March.
The Sunday, June 10, 2001 New York Times revealed that GW had gotten some fatherly advice on the matter. The Times reports that George Bush, Sr. sent his boy a memo, arguing need to reopen talks with North Korea. He wanted GW to adopt more moderate stand than the one backed by Pentagon.
Was this the advice of an experienced ex-president, seeing an error in his son's handling of foreign policy matters?"
"His first religion also comes into play here. Certainly, the President is entitled to practice whatever religion he believes in, and George W. Bush is not the first President to bandy about the name of God or to claim the United States is under the wing of providence. But when his religious fundamentalist beliefs spill over into his job, and when he uses religious rhetoric in inflammatory ways, we ought to take heed.
Since September 11, Bush has barely gone a day without using the word "evil" or "evildoers." His "axis of evil" speech may have so threatened North Korea that it decided to accelerate its nuclear plans. The phrase "axis of evil" did not happen accidentally, either, nor was it the original speechwriter's exact term. Frum came up with the term "axis of hatred" in the draft he sent on to chief speechwriter Michael Gerson. Says Frum: "Gerson wanted to use the theological language that Bush had made his own since September 11--so 'axis of hatred' became 'axis of evil.' "
Frum is quite open about the importance of fundamentalism in the Bush Administration. The first words he says he ever heard in the White House from George Bush were: "Missed you at Bible study." Frum writes, "Bush came from and spoke for a very different culture from that of the individualistic Ronald Reagan: the culture of modern Evangelicalism. To understand the Bush White House, you must understand its predominant creed."
Frum also cites the speech that Bush gave at his alma mater, Yale, on May 21, 2001. It was one Bush personally worked very hard on, and Frum said it was among the President's most self-revealing. Said Bush: "Life takes its own turns, makes its own demands, writes its own story. And along the way, we start to realize we are not the author."
Bush expressed the same feeling when he was governor of Texas. "I could not be governor if I did not believe in a divine plan that supersedes all human plans," he said.
When he was considering running for President, Bush attended church with his mother. The preacher talked about a reluctant Moses unsure of his leadership qualities. Barbara told George that he was that Moses figure. While running for President, he himself invoked the divine plan. "Together, we have a charge to keep," he wrote in his campaign book, which was not too subtly entitled A Charge to Keep.
That Bush believes he was assigned the Presidency from on high comes through in another passage of Frum's book. After Bush's September 20, 2001, speech to Congress, Gerson called up the President to compliment him: "Mr. President, when I saw you on television, I thought--God wanted you there," Gerson said, according to Frum.
"He wants us all here, Gerson," the President responded, according to Frum."
well since according to you we are not provding them aid....
go look up the Kaesong Industrial Region, we most certainly have been aiding them, I have said before and will again, until so. kor gets off its ass, we should pull all aid to the UN agencies how supply them and directly to nor kor. as we are just enabling the virtual slavery of their own people... the south doesn't want to crash nor. kor and absorb the refugees. screw that.
they will sucker more fuel and money out of us, watch...this 2 step is as old as prostitution and wine.
You must be mixing me up with someone else. I have not denied that we are giving them aid.
Your solution would be what? Ignore the problem? Isn't that what Bush did?
Isn't that what got us N Korean Nukes in the first place?
well, in all fairness, this is a missile test, not a payload test.Well, the O-bot cheerleaders have a bit of egg on their faces.
Defiant North Korea says rocket launch to go ahead | Reuters
Defiant North Korea says rocket launch to go ahead
Reuters) - North Korea on Sunday rejected criticism of its planned long-range missile launch which threatens to upset its only major benefactor, China, and put relations with the United States back in the freezer just as they seemed to be starting to thaw.
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Washington, which last month agreed to supply North Korea with food in exchange for a suspension of nuclear tests, missile launches and uranium enrichment and to allow nuclear inspectors into the country, called the planned launch "highly provocative".
More troubling perhaps for Pyongyang, which is long accustomed to trading invective with Washington, Beijing called the planned launch a "worry" in a rare attempt to put public pressure on its impoverished ally.
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Obama just flushed more of our money down the toilet. As if the non-cheerleaders didn't know AND know that Obama SHOULD have known as well.
Yay!
True, it is. But it was part of the extortion agreement.well, in all fairness, this is a missile test, not a payload test.Well, the O-bot cheerleaders have a bit of egg on their faces.
Defiant North Korea says rocket launch to go ahead | Reuters
Defiant North Korea says rocket launch to go ahead
Reuters) - North Korea on Sunday rejected criticism of its planned long-range missile launch which threatens to upset its only major benefactor, China, and put relations with the United States back in the freezer just as they seemed to be starting to thaw.
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Washington, which last month agreed to supply North Korea with food in exchange for a suspension of nuclear tests, missile launches and uranium enrichment and to allow nuclear inspectors into the country, called the planned launch "highly provocative".
More troubling perhaps for Pyongyang, which is long accustomed to trading invective with Washington, Beijing called the planned launch a "worry" in a rare attempt to put public pressure on its impoverished ally.
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Obama just flushed more of our money down the toilet. As if the non-cheerleaders didn't know AND know that Obama SHOULD have known as well.
Yay!
They might be intending on dropping a shitload of leaflets and books about the Chairman with this missile.