Obama’s European-esque attitude towards work

[hatman]

I don't want you do nothing for me where do you get that?

Because you insist that business owners owe you <insert perk here> ("living wage", more time off, less hours worked during the week, etc., etc., etc.)

Sorry I don't by in to people in ALL OTHER DEVELOPED NATIONS get guaranteed vacations and we don't are all those country's socialist? get out of here.

And that's why all other "developed nations" trail the U.S. (well, they did until socialist idiot Obama took office anyway). You do realize that all of the nations who operate like you are advocating are collapsing and experiencing riots - don't you?

Number to response 1.



You want to talk about "master of hyberpole"? The wealthiest and most successful companies in U.S. history were started out of garages or dorm rooms with $0: Apple, Microsoft, Dell, Facebook, Amazon, Disney, Harley Davidson, and a lot more.

Number to response 2.

Ever since that time I bounced around until found a good enough job in the area(there wasn't much) I want to live and stay. But now I work 5 days a week a lot of times 6(in the summer and fall) in hot ass factory now. I worked here now 1 year and 6 six months as actually employee (before that 9 months as a temp at the same spot) you know not actually employee. and they finally give you 5 days of vacation and 2 personal days.

So start your own business. Sell you labor. It doesn't cost any money to paint, mow lawns, perform home repairs. Work for yourself and you can decide how much you work, when you work, etc.

Come on even Iran gets 4 weeks of mandatory vacation. Israel the country you guys around seem to love so much in either party gets 14 working days for the first 4 years. 16 days from the 5th year. 18 days from the 6th year, and 21 days from the 7th year. from the 8th year an additional day is added per year up to 28 days. not including official holidays, sick leave, etc. Are they socialist commie bastards?

United States 0 days; None why is that? And when you ask about this you get called lazy, socialist, commie ect.

And all of those countries have been inferior to the U.S. We've been the world's greatest superpower for over 230 years for a reason. Our "poor" enjoy extravagant lifestyles complete with HD tv's, air conditioning, and Xbox game consoles while the poor in Afghanistan have never even seen electricity. Here - take a look at how the "poor" in the U.S. live:

What is Poverty in the United States: Air Conditioning, Cable TV and an Xbox


Don't get me wrong - I don't live to work. I work to live. I live to see my family and spend time with them. But we have no right to tell a business owner what to do with their business. It's up to each of us individually to decide what our labor is worth and how much time we want to lose from personal life working. And then we need to either start our own business or find jobs that that meets those criteria. Not tell someone else what they owe us like little communists. England, Greece, Spain, France are all collapsing - those are hardly the nations we should aspire to be like.

there we go 4 and some more are likely are collapsing but not all those countries are collapsing like said earlier.

I agree with that we should be America. I am not everybody money does not mean a whole to me I am lucky not to have a any kids at moment so I am perfectly fine with making about 15,000 a year where I live. Can afford my place, my food, internet, a luxury item like HDTV and PS3 and some weed. I am still young just would rather have time then money because for me I personally don't believe in a God this is it for me.

And by the way thanks to Chinese manufacturing a 32in HDTV is like under 200 dollars here just saying not a lot if people save.

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After reading about the subject for little they riot for numerous reasons
1. They realize the government works for them not the other way around.
2. The citizens unlike us do not have a lot of guns so they are less worried about shooting each other.
3. Football hooligans, history of brutal governments corrupt kings ect.
4. They learned from history like the French revolution to ban together get something done if need to.
5. Most of United States citizens live in fear, uniformed, or think everything is all good.
6. Lots of Muslim immigrants who refuse to adapt to European culture and plain old hate and racism on both sides.

You do realize that all of the nations who operate like you are advocating are collapsing and experiencing riots - don't you?

7. Some of those countries are collapsing but again with the hyper bowl not all Germany(with 25-30 days off) hows the economy?

Germany vs. United States Economic Freedom Chart

They also have the second biggest pile of gold reserve as well.

How about our neighbors to the north Canada(Minimum 10 working days depending on province and tenure of employment (15 days in Saskatchewan). In addition, 5&#8211;10 public holidays depending on province.) has some riots mostly Hockey fans now days. hows the economy?

Canada this time.

Canada vs. United States Economic Freedom Chart

Shall I continue?



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Yes and I am trying to work on stuff it takes time and sometimes money and right now that I don't have. Rome didn't get built you know what I am saying

 

[P@triot]

How about our neighbors to the north Canada(Minimum 10 working days depending on province and tenure of employment (15 days in Saskatchewan). In addition, 5–10 public holidays depending on province.) has some riots mostly Hockey fans now days. hows the economy?

How is the economy? Not exactly booming. More importantly, were you aware that Canadian Premier Danny Williams flew to the U.S. for life saving heart surgery? Are you aware of the constant line of billionaire oil sheiks from the Middle East who fly to the U.S. for their healthcare?

Danny Williams, Canadian Official, Seeks Heart Surgery In US

Do you know why that is? Because America is so relentless in their pursuit of excellence that we are the world's leader in healthcare, technology, and a whole lot more.

Now, do some people take it too far? Absolutely. They have put money and success above all else (it sounds like your employer is one of those idiots). Some take it to the point where they will actually commit criminal activities in their pursuit of money and wealth. But don't think for a minute that the lazy European model is any less destructive than people who take their pursuit of money and success too far. The lazy European model of 60 days off per year, less than 8 hour per days, extended lunches, etc. ensures no real break throughs. No innovation. No quality. No cures. And ensures an unsustainable economic model that is guaranteed to collapse.

 

[hatman]

How about our neighbors to the north Canada(Minimum 10 working days depending on province and tenure of employment (15 days in Saskatchewan). In addition, 5–10 public holidays depending on province.) has some riots mostly Hockey fans now days. hows the economy?

How is the economy? Not exactly booming. More importantly, were you aware that Canadian Premier Danny Williams flew to the U.S. for life saving heart surgery? Are you aware of the constant line of billionaire oil sheiks from the Middle East who fly to the U.S. for their healthcare?

Danny Williams, Canadian Official, Seeks Heart Surgery In US

Do you know why that is? Because America is so relentless in their pursuit of excellence that we are the world's leader in healthcare, technology, and a whole lot more.

Now, do some people take it too far? Absolutely. They have put money and success above all else (it sounds like your employer is one of those idiots). Some take it to the point where they will actually commit criminal activities in their pursuit of money and wealth. But don't think for a minute that the lazy European model is any less destructive than people who take their pursuit of money and success too far. The lazy European model of 60 days off per year, less than 8 hour per days, extended lunches, etc. ensures no real break throughs. No innovation. No quality. No cures. And ensures an unsustainable economic model that is guaranteed to collapse.

I not saying we need Canada's model or any other countries model, Improve are own model now so many people work on Thanksgivings, Christmas, and other holidays and then I hear work somewhere else or start your your own a business when they their voice their opinion though it's just something not possible for every person to run a small business in every town in America. Especially when a lot of the small businesses got run of town by the big box chains(who get free land or half price to move to in a town and/or pay no or less state tax) or now these days online amazon etc.

 

[The Rabbi]

How about our neighbors to the north Canada(Minimum 10 working days depending on province and tenure of employment (15 days in Saskatchewan). In addition, 5–10 public holidays depending on province.) has some riots mostly Hockey fans now days. hows the economy?

How is the economy? Not exactly booming. More importantly, were you aware that Canadian Premier Danny Williams flew to the U.S. for life saving heart surgery? Are you aware of the constant line of billionaire oil sheiks from the Middle East who fly to the U.S. for their healthcare?

Danny Williams, Canadian Official, Seeks Heart Surgery In US

Do you know why that is? Because America is so relentless in their pursuit of excellence that we are the world's leader in healthcare, technology, and a whole lot more.

Now, do some people take it too far? Absolutely. They have put money and success above all else (it sounds like your employer is one of those idiots). Some take it to the point where they will actually commit criminal activities in their pursuit of money and wealth. But don't think for a minute that the lazy European model is any less destructive than people who take their pursuit of money and success too far. The lazy European model of 60 days off per year, less than 8 hour per days, extended lunches, etc. ensures no real break throughs. No innovation. No quality. No cures. And ensures an unsustainable economic model that is guaranteed to collapse.

I not saying we need Canada's model or any other countries model, Improve are own model now so many people work on Thanksgivings, Christmas, and other holidays and then I hear work somewhere else or start your your own a business when they their voice their opinion though it's just something not possible for every person to run a small business in every town in America. Especially when a lot of the small businesses got run of town by the big box chains(who get free land or half price to move to in a town and/or pay no or less state tax) or now these days online amazon etc.

So you dont want people working on certain days, you tell people they can't compete in their own small business, but we should improve "our own model"? What model is that, socialism?

 

[hatman]

How is the economy? Not exactly booming. More importantly, were you aware that Canadian Premier Danny Williams flew to the U.S. for life saving heart surgery? Are you aware of the constant line of billionaire oil sheiks from the Middle East who fly to the U.S. for their healthcare?

Danny Williams, Canadian Official, Seeks Heart Surgery In US

Do you know why that is? Because America is so relentless in their pursuit of excellence that we are the world's leader in healthcare, technology, and a whole lot more.

Now, do some people take it too far? Absolutely. They have put money and success above all else (it sounds like your employer is one of those idiots). Some take it to the point where they will actually commit criminal activities in their pursuit of money and wealth. But don't think for a minute that the lazy European model is any less destructive than people who take their pursuit of money and success too far. The lazy European model of 60 days off per year, less than 8 hour per days, extended lunches, etc. ensures no real break throughs. No innovation. No quality. No cures. And ensures an unsustainable economic model that is guaranteed to collapse.

I not saying we need Canada's model or any other countries model, Improve are own model now so many people work on Thanksgivings, Christmas, and other holidays and then I hear work somewhere else or start your your own a business when they their voice their opinion though it's just something not possible for every person to run a small business in every town in America. Especially when a lot of the small businesses got run of town by the big box chains(who get free land or half price to move to in a town and/or pay no or less state tax) or now these days online amazon etc.

So you dont want people working on certain days, you tell people they can't compete in their own small business, but we should improve "our own model"? What model is that, socialism?

I AM NOT A SOCIALIST. But unlike you I would like to change some stuff I willing to admit that our system could change for the better.

Do you know anything about temp work? A lot places despite doing the same exact work as somebody else(who is their employee who is making 13-15$ just happened to be hired before a certain date) not a "temp" while your making 9.35 some places you are not invited to company get togethers and employee meals despite doing same exact stuff as their employees. Ever hear permatemping?

Microsoft restricts permatemps from participating in morale events, employee social clubs and the like creates a second class division between regular employees and permatemps. Frequently permatemps are highly skilled, excellent workers, particularly in the IT field, but are still not allowed to participate in company events or receive bonuses for work well done.

Permatemping cases highlight lack of protection for workers

The 4*A.M. Army | TIME.com

That's how we reward hard today so spare me if you think the system is perfect.


A lot places that's all they will hire these days no vacation, no sick days, no holiday pay. More than 55 million working Americans don't get paid vacation.

No wonder some people believe welfare is better then working huh?


I am not talking taking away are guns.
I am not talking about taking away free speech ect.


Just looking out for the people on the bottom of the working food chain would be nice.


How can a small business compete with the free or half price land that the big boxes chains get. If you go downtown to most small town see how many for rent signs there are and many are just empty? Why don't most small business get a free buildings or land? Oh that's right they don't have the money to lobby the parties.

 

[P@triot]

How about our neighbors to the north Canada(Minimum 10 working days depending on province and tenure of employment (15 days in Saskatchewan). In addition, 5–10 public holidays depending on province.) has some riots mostly Hockey fans now days. hows the economy?

How is the economy? Not exactly booming. More importantly, were you aware that Canadian Premier Danny Williams flew to the U.S. for life saving heart surgery? Are you aware of the constant line of billionaire oil sheiks from the Middle East who fly to the U.S. for their healthcare?

Danny Williams, Canadian Official, Seeks Heart Surgery In US

Do you know why that is? Because America is so relentless in their pursuit of excellence that we are the world's leader in healthcare, technology, and a whole lot more.

Now, do some people take it too far? Absolutely. They have put money and success above all else (it sounds like your employer is one of those idiots). Some take it to the point where they will actually commit criminal activities in their pursuit of money and wealth. But don't think for a minute that the lazy European model is any less destructive than people who take their pursuit of money and success too far. The lazy European model of 60 days off per year, less than 8 hour per days, extended lunches, etc. ensures no real break throughs. No innovation. No quality. No cures. And ensures an unsustainable economic model that is guaranteed to collapse.

I not saying we need Canada's model or any other countries model, Improve are own model now so many people work on Thanksgivings, Christmas, and other holidays and then I hear work somewhere else or start your your own a business when they their voice their opinion though it's just something not possible for every person to run a small business in every town in America. Especially when a lot of the small businesses got run of town by the big box chains(who get free land or half price to move to in a town and/or pay no or less state tax) or now these days online amazon etc.

But that's not a problem for government to "fix". That's between the employer and the employee. And that is the beauty of the free market. Walmart is free to pursue excellence and ask their people to work on Thanksgiving and Christmas. Their employees are free to tell Walmart to go fuck themselves (as I would).

If the masses are so bothered by it, the people of America are free to boycott Walmart. See how quickly Walmart goes out of business if the majority are really bothered by their business practices.

The more you empower the federal government to "fix" what you don't like, the worse things get in this country. Hell, as much as I hate unions, Walmart employees unionizing would be an exponentially better course of action than asking the federal government to get involved. Keep the power in the hands of the people.

And one last point, you have to stop believing the liberal line that you can't start your own business. As I've already pointed out, the most successful and iconic companies in U.S. history were built out of garages and dorm rooms with $0. Even someone who is not intellectually gifted can go into business for themselves by selling their labor (anything from mowing lawns, painting, and moving to more skilled labor like plumbing and carpentry).

 

[Jarlaxle]

I asked to work Christmas several times...I did it three years in a row when I drove wreckers. I WANT to work Christmas!