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How strict is Brazil with controls on pollution and environmental damage? If they are lax in this area wouldn't drilling there contribute to world pollution? I thought this administration wanted to put a cap on that.
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It's not better. Like most all other "alternatives" it's actually worse for the environment.It takes ALOT of water to make the shit. 1200 gallons for every gallon of ethanol.
Really? I never knew that. And that's better for the environment how??
It does not. You actually believe all water used in processes such as watering your yard even, returns to the water table? Evaporation. (From which, SOME of the H20 returns to earth in the form of precipitation.) Retention. Corn is one of the thirstiest crops there is to grow. Corn kernels RETAIN water. Then the millions of gallons of water used for the refining process is unusable for anything else afterword.That water isnt destroyed it returns to the cycle.
It's not better. Like most all other "alternatives" it's actually worse for the environment.It takes ALOT of water to make the shit. 1200 gallons for every gallon of ethanol.
Really? I never knew that. And that's better for the environment how??
I bet most folks don't know any of these secrets:
Dirty little secrets of Ethanol: Yeah, it's "cleaner" if you believe CO2 is really really bad, because it does produce less when combusted. But it also produces the definite pollutant and definite poison to all living things -- CO (Carbon Monoxide) 100 times more than gasoline! Also, it takes 1,200 gallons of water to make a gallon of this crap!
Wind power's dirty little secret: It takes 4 barrels of oil per year, per wind turbine, for the gearbox. And another five barrels for the transformer below each turbine. And these turbines leak and sling this oil. Great for the groundwater!
Multiply those figures times a million, two million wind turbines planned -- and you see why oil magnates like Pickens are pushing this. They stand to sell millions of barrels of oil!
And lets not talk about the MASSIVE amounts of steel and concrete needed for just one of these. Enough steel to build 3000 hybrid cars. Enough concrete to build 200 miles of highway. Imagine if you will, the 50 foot hole that must be dug in the ground for each one of these.
We won't talk about the massive NEW infrastructure that is needed for these, millions of miles of NEW power lines, millions of wood and steel poles, etc.
Dirty little secret of solar: The production of solar panels involves nitrogen trifluoride (NF3) emissions be released. NF3 is about 17,000 times more potent a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. The concentration of it in the atmosphere has increased 20 fold during the last two decades by its use in manufacturing processes. The level is increasing 11 percent per year.
The weaker CO2 stays in the atmosphere up to 100 years. NF3 stays in the atmosphere for 700 years or more. But you never hear anything about NF3, because it's not a product of that evil fossil fuels combustion!
Dirty little secret of Hydrogen: Water Vapor is the product of combustion. Sounds great, right? But -- Water vapor is far and away the #1 greenhouse gas. This according to the IPCC and every other scientist on both sides of the issue. It's the one thing they do ALL agree on. Hmmm...
Cleaner little secret of gasoline powered internal combustion: Today's engines put out 95% fewer emissions than their 1970 counterparts!
Cleaner little secret of Nuclear power: It's zero emissions. Zero. NO carbon output. And Toshiba now has one, called a Nuclear Battery, that is the size of a school bus and is buried 500 feet deep, lasts 50 years and can power half a small city by itself. Perfect for retrofitting existing coal and gas fired power plants, utilizing their land and electrical infrastructure. But oops, can't use it here.
It's what they DON'T tell us that really winds up hurting the environment in the long haul.
It does not. You actually believe all water used in processes such as watering your yard even, returns to the water table? Evaporation. (From which, SOME of the H20 returns to earth in the form of precipitation.) Retention. Corn is one of the thirstiest crops there is to grow. Corn kernels RETAIN water. Then the millions of gallons of water used for the refining process is unusable for anything else afterword.That water isnt destroyed it returns to the cycle.
It's stupid, it's a boondoggle, the resulting fuel isn't near as efficient, and pollutes MORE.
Which is, the goal of the environazi movement. Social justice. We here in the US have it way too much better than the rest of the world, and it isn't fair.unless there is quite a reversal of how we live today.
Which is, the goal of the environazi movement. Social justice. We here in the US have it way too much better than the rest of the world, and it isn't fair.unless there is quite a reversal of how we live today.
Those are mutually inclusive. If it's about one it's automatically about the other.Which is, the goal of the environazi movement. Social justice. We here in the US have it way too much better than the rest of the world, and it isn't fair.unless there is quite a reversal of how we live today.
That's the sad truth about all of the left's 'causes', for the most part they really don't give a damn about what they're advocating. Like you said, it's supposedly about social justice, I think it's more about power over people.
Those are mutually inclusive. If it's about one it's automatically about the other.Which is, the goal of the environazi movement. Social justice. We here in the US have it way too much better than the rest of the world, and it isn't fair.
That's the sad truth about all of the left's 'causes', for the most part they really don't give a damn about what they're advocating. Like you said, it's supposedly about social justice, I think it's more about power over people.
The sheer stupidity of converting our agricultural food production acreage and resources to growing corn for fuel, burning our food, should be obvious to all.Sorry to ruin your day further newby but ethanol could cause a FOOD shortage a well.
I guess those environazis love starving children too.
The corn is dried the water evaporates and returns the the cycle.It does not. You actually believe all water used in processes such as watering your yard even, returns to the water table? Evaporation. (From which, SOME of the H20 returns to earth in the form of precipitation.) Retention. Corn is one of the thirstiest crops there is to grow. Corn kernels RETAIN water. Then the millions of gallons of water used for the refining process is unusable for anything else afterword.That water isnt destroyed it returns to the cycle.
It's stupid, it's a boondoggle, the resulting fuel isn't near as efficient, and pollutes MORE.
How did they win it? And how many won, and how come we didn't get to play for it?one of many who won stock in this company
But seriously, isn't Brazil the model for getting off oil? They have that "great" sugar beet to ethanol program!
Why are we giving them 2 BILLION dollars when we have starving people in America?
I find it ironic these fucking idiots won't drill off their own shores, and reap all the economic benefits from it, but are all to willing to send 2Billion taxpayer dollars to a buddy to do it in another country. Does that make any sense at all?
How did they win it? And how many won, and how come we didn't get to play for it?one of many who won stock in this company
But seriously, isn't Brazil the model for getting off oil? They have that "great" sugar beet to ethanol program!
Why are we giving them 2 BILLION dollars when we have starving people in America?
It's a loan. We aren't giving them any money.
The Tupi field offshore of Brazil is the largest find in a generation. It is massive. I'm not sure why the US government has a mandate to lend to large energy companies that can easily tap the credit markets, but if you are going to make a loan for an energy project in the third world, there aren't many better.