It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
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I was at this giant festival a few weeks ago, and I remember thinking how eerily similar it is to the last 20 other times I've been to it.Life seems pretty fuckin good outside of Political bicker-sphere. I see no apparent cause for alarm. Folks have different opinions - some join clubs, some demonstrate in the public sphere, some write blogs and others do the pundit-sphere. Very, very few get violent and begin to rise to the level of Law-breaking.
The sky has always been falling, to some, but life is actually in large part a matter of perspective.
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Great, and if wealth inequality annoys enough people, they'll vote that out in favor of a philosophy far less moderate than mine.I think there's a middle ground between the two that is optimum. A system that can create great wealth for its citizens is going to favor certain citizens over others, because their skill sets and capacities match and are supported by that system. Capitalism, for example. And many simply lack that capacity.
So, in exchange for their good fortune for being able to operate within that system (and not being born in, say, Haiti), I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be required to contribute more into it than others. The key is in finding and maintaining an equilibrium that rewards & motivates them for their efforts without dis-incentivizing them for their efforts. I don't think we're terribly close to that right now.
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I am not talking about middle ground ...
And not interested in giving anyone the authority to determine we are going to do things the way they think is appropriate.
You are talking about economic theory ...
Who you think deserves what ...
Where it should come from ...
Where it should go ...
And how that should affect the outcome.
I am more interested in economic law ...
It doesn't matter what you want or think ...
Until you provide a product or service to another ...
And they provide you with payment ...
You got a whole pile of nothing ...
No matter what one's economic theory or philosophy may be ... Economic law is going to apply.
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I was at this giant festival a few weeks ago, and I remember thinking how eerily similar it is to the last 20 other times I've been to it.Life seems pretty fuckin good outside of Political bicker-sphere. I see no apparent cause for alarm. Folks have different opinions - some join clubs, some demonstrate in the public sphere, some write blogs and others do the pundit-sphere. Very, very few get violent and begin to rise to the level of Law-breaking.
The sky has always been falling, to some, but life is actually in large part a matter of perspective.
Correct.
Rome isn't burning because of a couple of percentage point differences in GDP & Unemployment. Rome isn't burning because violence per capita is up, it's historically LOW, world-wide, right now. Rome isn't burning because folks are looser with sexual morality and language, that's an old-folks tale told 6, 000 times over (and over). Rome isn't burning when we have as close anelection as we did this last time, that's actually a good sign for both Football Teams.I was at this giant festival a few weeks ago, and I remember thinking how eerily similar it is to the last 20 other times I've been to it.Life seems pretty fuckin good outside of Political bicker-sphere. I see no apparent cause for alarm. Folks have different opinions - some join clubs, some demonstrate in the public sphere, some write blogs and others do the pundit-sphere. Very, very few get violent and begin to rise to the level of Law-breaking.
The sky has always been falling, to some, but life is actually in large part a matter of perspective.
Correct.
Up until a few years ago, I had a streak of going to Burning Man….I was always amazed at the lack of political leaning/discussion/concern out there. It was refreshing and, I’ll admit, a little bit uncomfortable….I always kept waiting for the other “shoe to drop”. It was 4:18 in the morning one day and we were playing guitar in a circle…the fire went out and we could barely see one another but the music just kept on and on . I kept waiting for someone to come along and say, “time to put it up”…never did. Sun came up; we went back to our pad.
Rome isn't burning because of a couple of percentage point differences in GDP & Unemployment. Rome isn't burning because violence per capita is up, it's historically LOW, world-wide, right now. Rome isn't burning because folks are looser with sexual morality and language, that's an old-folks tale told 6, 000 times over (and over). Rome isn't burning when we have as close anelection as we did this last time, that's actually a good sign for both Football Teams.I was at this giant festival a few weeks ago, and I remember thinking how eerily similar it is to the last 20 other times I've been to it.Life seems pretty fuckin good outside of Political bicker-sphere. I see no apparent cause for alarm. Folks have different opinions - some join clubs, some demonstrate in the public sphere, some write blogs and others do the pundit-sphere. Very, very few get violent and begin to rise to the level of Law-breaking.
The sky has always been falling, to some, but life is actually in large part a matter of perspective.
Correct.
Up until a few years ago, I had a streak of going to Burning Man….I was always amazed at the lack of political leaning/discussion/concern out there. It was refreshing and, I’ll admit, a little bit uncomfortable….I always kept waiting for the other “shoe to drop”. It was 4:18 in the morning one day and we were playing guitar in a circle…the fire went out and we could barely see one another but the music just kept on and on . I kept waiting for someone to come along and say, “time to put it up”…never did. Sun came up; we went back to our pad.
Perspective is, realizing that bad news travels the fastest and sells the highest, and the internet is the fastest means for it to travel. Perspective is being adult enough to internalize and analyze these "feelings" of political discomfort before reporting back that Rome is burning.
"Same old shit dog, just a different day." - DMX, Famous Street Philosopher
The deep state is more of an idea and less of a cabal.It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
The deep state to me does exist, it's not nefarious though. Deep state is your postman. The guy in the EPA below a level that is congress approved. It's the people who have a job to do regardless of who's in the White House. This is feared by Trump. Because in an unconscious way he realizes that those people resist radical change. They provide a built in inertia to policy. It's the governmental equivalent to the "Are you sure" text when doing something critical on your computer.The deep state is more of an idea and less of a cabal.It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
It is the idea that there are two governments at work. One for the people who want the government to work on improving social conditions. That one is mired in quicksand. It seemingly gets nothing accomplished. It works for the common people. And one that serves the military industrial complex and wall street class (deep state). It has no problem getting things through Congress.
There is plenty of money for war, not much for improving our social conditions.
Great, and if wealth inequality annoys enough people, they'll vote that out in favor of a philosophy far less moderate than mine.
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There are plenty of really thoughtful people analyzing the problems and they are more than willing to discuss it.Just reviewing the current news cycle, thinking about D.C., the press and threads here...
I wonder how many words have been spent, and how much time has been spent, over the last 10 years or so on conspiracy theories, "breaking news", shocking developments, they're-really-gonna-get-it-now, this-is-the-big-one, fantastical conjecture, gotcha news stories, fanciful hypotheses and shallow wishful thinking.
And then I wonder, by contrast, how many words have been spent, how much time and effort has been spent, on looking honestly and critically at the issues that challenge, threaten and divide us and collaborating to create new, dynamic and innovating ways to address them and improve things together.
Is this really what we want? Is this really the best we can do? It appears to be, since this is all we do. It sure is easier than doing the heavy lifting that's needed.
What happened to us? Is anyone else wondering this?
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I believe that. But I also believe that we have become far more coarse and narcissistic and intolerant as a society, at the same time. It's getting tougher and tougher to (a) avoid partisan politics in popular culture and (b) find everyday people who don't immediately lapse into histrionics at the drop of a hat. A calm, civil, thoughtful conversation is becoming more and more rare.There are plenty of really thoughtful people analyzing the problems and they are more than willing to discuss it.Just reviewing the current news cycle, thinking about D.C., the press and threads here...
I wonder how many words have been spent, and how much time has been spent, over the last 10 years or so on conspiracy theories, "breaking news", shocking developments, they're-really-gonna-get-it-now, this-is-the-big-one, fantastical conjecture, gotcha news stories, fanciful hypotheses and shallow wishful thinking.
And then I wonder, by contrast, how many words have been spent, how much time and effort has been spent, on looking honestly and critically at the issues that challenge, threaten and divide us and collaborating to create new, dynamic and innovating ways to address them and improve things together.
Is this really what we want? Is this really the best we can do? It appears to be, since this is all we do. It sure is easier than doing the heavy lifting that's needed.
What happened to us? Is anyone else wondering this?
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They just don't come to USMB or probably Twitter. I hear them at conferences on CSPAN and NPR and read them in journals. There are solutions, and many of our legislators understand what the issues are and have ideas for how to solve them. In many places those ideas are actually being tried.
It takes weeks to walk to the Summit. Everything at the Basecamp is carried in. I think Basecamp is over 17,000 ft elevation. Carrying stuff down should be required, even carrying down your poop.How long does it take an average human eating trail mix to produce 60lbs. of poop?I saw a site last night out of SF that talked about how much human waste was on Mount Everest.Life seems pretty fuckin good outside of Political bicker-sphere. I see no apparent cause for alarm. Folks have different opinions - some join clubs, some demonstrate in the public sphere, some write blogs and others do the pundit-sphere. Very, very few get violent and begin to rise to the level of Law-breaking.
The sky has always been falling, to some, but life is actually in large part a matter of perspective.
SF is known for their human waste.
Apparently it is becoming a problem on Everest.....according to the author.
Each climber produces 60lbs of crap that is left along the trails and rocky crags and crevasses all over Everest.
I'm not sure about all that. This is where my understanding of it comes from.The deep state to me does exist, it's not nefarious though. Deep state is your postman. The guy in the EPA below a level that is congress approved. It's the people who have a job to do regardless of who's in the White House. This is feared by Trump. Because in an unconscious way he realizes that those people resist radical change. They provide a built in inertia to policy. It's the governmental equivalent to the "Are you sure" text when doing something critical on your computer.The deep state is more of an idea and less of a cabal.It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
It is the idea that there are two governments at work. One for the people who want the government to work on improving social conditions. That one is mired in quicksand. It seemingly gets nothing accomplished. It works for the common people. And one that serves the military industrial complex and wall street class (deep state). It has no problem getting things through Congress.
There is plenty of money for war, not much for improving our social conditions.
I can see carrying "stuff" out as being mandatory, not poop though I mean....it's biodegradable and all lol...It takes weeks to walk to the Summit. Everything at the Basecamp is carried in. I think Basecamp is over 17,000 ft elevation. Carrying stuff down should be required, even carrying down your poop.How long does it take an average human eating trail mix to produce 60lbs. of poop?I saw a site last night out of SF that talked about how much human waste was on Mount Everest.Life seems pretty fuckin good outside of Political bicker-sphere. I see no apparent cause for alarm. Folks have different opinions - some join clubs, some demonstrate in the public sphere, some write blogs and others do the pundit-sphere. Very, very few get violent and begin to rise to the level of Law-breaking.
The sky has always been falling, to some, but life is actually in large part a matter of perspective.
SF is known for their human waste.
Apparently it is becoming a problem on Everest.....according to the author.
Each climber produces 60lbs of crap that is left along the trails and rocky crags and crevasses all over Everest.
We have clearly defined what it is, and who is in it. Some willingly and some against their will.It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
We have clearly defined what it is, and who is in it. Some willingly and some against their will.It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
But, like a typical useful idiot, you demand that everything be laid out on official government documents and produced in triplicate or it doesn't exist.
If this is was your source of information I don't see how you disagree with my assessment.I'm not sure about all that. This is where my understanding of it comes from.The deep state to me does exist, it's not nefarious though. Deep state is your postman. The guy in the EPA below a level that is congress approved. It's the people who have a job to do regardless of who's in the White House. This is feared by Trump. Because in an unconscious way he realizes that those people resist radical change. They provide a built in inertia to policy. It's the governmental equivalent to the "Are you sure" text when doing something critical on your computer.The deep state is more of an idea and less of a cabal.It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
It is the idea that there are two governments at work. One for the people who want the government to work on improving social conditions. That one is mired in quicksand. It seemingly gets nothing accomplished. It works for the common people. And one that serves the military industrial complex and wall street class (deep state). It has no problem getting things through Congress.
There is plenty of money for war, not much for improving our social conditions.
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com
I think people, especially liberal types, can normally understand this idea of a deep state as described in the article. Trump's usage of it, and those that parrot it, make a mockery of it. It turns liberal thinkers off of the idea which gives the idea cover in plain site. It prevents people from discussing the idea rationally.
The last thing the ruling class wants is for people to talk about how they are looting society of its wealth.
Not if it stays at - 50 degrees.I can see carrying "stuff" out as being mandatory, not poop though I mean....it's biodegradable and all lol...It takes weeks to walk to the Summit. Everything at the Basecamp is carried in. I think Basecamp is over 17,000 ft elevation. Carrying stuff down should be required, even carrying down your poop.How long does it take an average human eating trail mix to produce 60lbs. of poop?I saw a site last night out of SF that talked about how much human waste was on Mount Everest.Life seems pretty fuckin good outside of Political bicker-sphere. I see no apparent cause for alarm. Folks have different opinions - some join clubs, some demonstrate in the public sphere, some write blogs and others do the pundit-sphere. Very, very few get violent and begin to rise to the level of Law-breaking.
The sky has always been falling, to some, but life is actually in large part a matter of perspective.
SF is known for their human waste.
Apparently it is becoming a problem on Everest.....according to the author.
Each climber produces 60lbs of crap that is left along the trails and rocky crags and crevasses all over Everest.
The deep state is more of an idea and less of a cabal.It is particularly humorous that the same folks whining that kids “are not being told to think” actually believe there is a “swamp” and a “deep state”…something they cannot define much less enumerate it’s member’s names.
It is the idea that there are two governments at work. One for the people who want the government to work on improving social conditions. That one is mired in quicksand. It seemingly gets nothing accomplished. It works for the common people. And one that serves the military industrial complex and wall street class (deep state). It has no problem getting things through Congress.
There is plenty of money for war, not much for improving our social conditions.