Obama, Guns, and the Big Wide World

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    In a nutshell, the question for this thread is: Is President Obama likely or not likely to support an international initiative to ban many or most privately owned American guns?

    Discuss on that basis alone if you like.

    But if you want some background that triggered the question, read on:

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    It is still under the media radar, but another round of gun control debates is likely looming. Most don’t think it will come up this year with so many other controversial issues on the table. But some think they may bury legislation in some other big bill where it is unlikely to attract much attention. The legislation would move the USA toward more cooperation with international gun ban initiatives.

    On the campaign trail, President Obama repeatedly said he respected the 2nd Amendment and affirmed the right of citizens to hunt and defend themselves, etc. But then there was that infamous phrase about folks clinging to their Bibles and guns, and his voting record is not seen as friendly to private gun ownership.

    And he wrote this:
    President Obama’s stated positions on gun control:
    In an April advertisement, USA Carry published this:
    They featured the following Youtube presentation on their website:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU]YouTube - NRA News: UN Doomsday Treaty With Ginny Simone[/ame]

    Re the Rebecca Peters cited in the video:

    Here is a link to IANSA’s website:
    IANSA the international voice against gun violence
     
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    Obama is probably the most anti-gun president we've had.
    That said, the will is not there in the country for more gun control. The Democrats recognize it as a losing issue, which is why you never hear someone push it in campaigns.
    I seriously doubt he will try to push an anti gun agenda. Strangely he has signed more pro-gun legislation in 1 year than Bush did in 8.
     
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    I don't think he or the rest of the Democratic leadership will launch a frontal assault on guns either. At least not now. But after looking at all the stuff that is flying below the media radar out there, I am not convinced they won't act in a clandestine manner to increase participation in, cooperation with, and funding of international efforts that are going after the guns. Of course those on the international scene are going after the guns of the more peaceful nations and are leaving the really violent ones alone.

    And then, if the Democrats retain majorities through the next two elections, I think they are going to be a lot braver to look at a lot more things.
     
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    Like I said previously, Obama is not as Liberal as people think.
     
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    Yes. He is more so. He is certainly more liberal than his campaign suggested.
     
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    So, let me get this straight. Obama is the most anti-gun President ever - but he's signed more pro-gun legislation than Bush did.

    So what makes him the most anti-gun President ever?
     
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    If he were, I'd be happy with him at the moment. However, I am not.
     
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    glen beck said so.
     
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    No one is coming to take your guns. Anyone who says so is just trying to make you afraid.
     
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    Better remember something. When, not if, Obama and Hillary try to enforce UN bans INSIDE the US especially on guns, he will find an armed populace disinclined to follow any such law.

    The Senate has final say on any treaty we want to make US law. Right now 41 of them are Republicans. Hopefully we get 5 more in November. There are still some honest democrats in the Senate that would never approve of any such treaty.

    But failing that open armed rebellion will be the result of any attempt by the Federal Government to illegally seize guns through UN initiatives, passed off as US Treaties.

    Further any such attempt will face opposition in the Supreme Court as Unconstitutional. at least until Obama finds some way to remove a Conservative Justice.
     

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