Obama economy remains WORST since Great Depression

[SFC Ollie]

Big Fitz and Jroc tell the lies here, falsifying facts and posting ages old documents.

Come here, listen. Go check the DOW. Go check the NASDAQ. Go check Christmas spending. Go check the total volume of jobs created this year.

You two clowns are simply unhappy (1) that the economy has solidly turned around after the mess from 1994 to 2006, and (2) that the president kicked the crap out of the republicans in the lame duck session, and (3) BHO is looking good in 2012 for re-election.

So go suck your lemons and shut up.

What does it matter if there are more jobs lost than what are created? Unemployment still went up, not down.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Big Fitz and Jroc tell the lies here, falsifying facts and posting ages old documents.

Come here, listen. Go check the DOW. Go check the NASDAQ. Go check Christmas spending. Go check the total volume of jobs created this year.

You two clowns are simply unhappy (1) that the economy has solidly turned around after the mess from 1994 to 2006, and (2) that the president kicked the crap out of the republicans in the lame duck session, and (3) BHO is looking good in 2012 for re-election.

So go suck your lemons and shut up.

What does it matter if there are more jobs lost than what are created? Unemployment still went up, not down.

Post the total figures, Ollie. Job growth will increase because the economy is getting better. Jobs are always the last to recover, always.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Big Fitz and Jroc tell the lies here, falsifying facts and posting ages old documents.

Come here, listen. Go check the DOW. Go check the NASDAQ. Go check Christmas spending. Go check the total volume of jobs created this year.

You two clowns are simply unhappy (1) that the economy has solidly turned around after the mess from 1994 to 2006, and (2) that the president kicked the crap out of the republicans in the lame duck session, and (3) BHO is looking good in 2012 for re-election.

So go suck your lemons and shut up.

What does it matter if there are more jobs lost than what are created? Unemployment still went up, not down.

Post the total figures, Ollie. Job growth will increase because the economy is getting better. Jobs are always the last to recover, always.

Understand slow to recover, but still growing? And now that the tax issue is settled, if it does any good who will you give credit to?

 

[loosecannon]

FACTS:

*We STILL have RECORD unemployment.
*We STILL have RECORD debt.
*We STILL have RECORD deficits.

Thanks to the tax cuts WE helped pass/extend, individual consumers are able to spend more, as they are more optimistic.

Thanks to us, the well to do consumers will continue to stimulate the economy with their investments.

If the economy is indeed, ACTUALLY GOOD AGAIN by 2012, Obama willl undoubtedly try to lie, and take all the credit, and we will be there to expose said BS.

we don't have record unemployment.

Your tax cuts are the problem, not the solution. At least if record deficits and record debt actually matter to you.

Stop lying. STFU. You been busted on all three points.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What does it matter if there are more jobs lost than what are created? Unemployment still went up, not down.

Post the total figures, Ollie. Job growth will increase because the economy is getting better. Jobs are always the last to recover, always.

Understand slow to recover, but still growing? And now that the tax issue is settled, if it does any good who will you give credit to?

The tax legislation is irrelevant to the job growth, Ollie. It has not been the last ten years and won't be the next two. So both sides are merely pandering to you and me and the rest.

 

[JakeStarkey]

FACTS:

*We STILL have RECORD unemployment.
*We STILL have RECORD debt.
*We STILL have RECORD deficits.

Thanks to the tax cuts WE helped pass/extend, individual consumers are able to spend more, as they are more optimistic.

Thanks to us, the well to do consumers will continue to stimulate the economy with their investments.

If the economy is indeed, ACTUALLY GOOD AGAIN by 2012, Obama willl undoubtedly try to lie, and take all the credit, and we will be there to expose said BS.

we don't have record unemployment.

Your tax cuts are the problem, not the solution. At least if record deficits and record debt actually matter to you.

Stop lying. STFU. You been busted on all three points.

Thanks, loose cannon. Play this every time R1 or Samurai or the other wacks start chanting they have won again.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno[/ame]

 

[uscitizen]

Reagan inherited a far bigger mess.

Prime rate Jan 1981: 20.5%
Prime rate Jan 2008 6.5%

Reagan very significantly increased public expenditure, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); most of those years military spending was about 6% of GDP, exceeding this number in 4 different years. All these numbers had not been seen since the end of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War in 1973.[14] In 1981, Reagan significantly reduced the maximum tax rate, which affected the highest income earners, and lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50%; in 1986 he further reduced the rate to 28%.[15] As a result of all this, the budget deficit and federal debt increased considerably: debt grew from 33.3% of GDP in 1980 to 51.9% at the end of 1988 [16] and the deficit increased from 2.7% in 1980 to more than double in 1983, when it reached 6%; in 1984, 1985 and 1986 it was around 5%.[17] In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion,[18] and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation.[19] Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SFC Ollie]

Post the total figures, Ollie. Job growth will increase because the economy is getting better. Jobs are always the last to recover, always.

Understand slow to recover, but still growing? And now that the tax issue is settled, if it does any good who will you give credit to?

The tax legislation is irrelevant to the job growth, Ollie. It has not been the last ten years and won't be the next two. So both sides are merely pandering to you and me and the rest.

It may be very relevant. If it eases fears of what could have been done and loosens up some of those business dollars. But I see you are taking the leftist views on this, as expected. You don't think the uncertainty had anything to do with it. Watch and we will see.

 

[uscitizen]

We moved from creditor to debtor nation status under Reagan.

 

[Big Fitz]

We moved from creditor to debtor nation status under Reagan.

bullshit. We have been a debtor nation since Eisenhower. We became a PROBLEM debtor nation under Nixon and have only grown worse every congress since.

And as a small reminder, all spending bills start in the House. Who controlled the house for 44 years out of the last 50? That's right. Democrats. The republicans don't have much room to talk since they went along with this "decrease of the increase' bullshit for decades.

Real spending cuts and real reduction of all parts of government, unconstitutional social programs most of all, need to occur starting the next budget year.

 

[loosecannon]

We moved from creditor to debtor nation status under Reagan.

bullshit. We have been a debtor nation since Eisenhower.

No, we still were owed a gazzillion dollars by Japan and Europe under Eisenhower. We became a debtor nation under Reagan.

And it makes no difference who holds the congress. The Pres is required by law to submit a budget and the congress merely votes it up or down. And both parties vote about the same. More pork for their constituents, always, no matta what!

 

[Jroc]

Reagan inherited a far bigger mess.

Prime rate Jan 1981: 20.5%
Prime rate Jan 2008 6.5%

Reagan very significantly increased public expenditure, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); most of those years military spending was about 6% of GDP, exceeding this number in 4 different years. All these numbers had not been seen since the end of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War in 1973.[14] In 1981, Reagan significantly reduced the maximum tax rate, which affected the highest income earners, and lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50%; in 1986 he further reduced the rate to 28%.[15] As a result of all this, the budget deficit and federal debt increased considerably: debt grew from 33.3% of GDP in 1980 to 51.9% at the end of 1988 [16] and the deficit increased from 2.7% in 1980 to more than double in 1983, when it reached 6%; in 1984, 1985 and 1986 it was around 5%.[17] In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion,[18] and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation.[19] Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia? Did you put that in there yourself? Reagan spent a lot of money on Defense which over time helped to bring down the Soviet Empire, Clinton benefited from that, it's called "The peace dividend" at least we got something out of that spending unlike the useless bullshit spending of Obama which has done nothing to help the economy. The economy boomed though the Clinton years because of Reagan's low tax policies, the tech boom and the Republican take over of congress in 94'. what is it with you libs? High taxes do not spur economic growth, Government does not create jobs you people are simply clueless.

 

[loosecannon]

there was no peace dividend. We barely cut defense spending at all.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan inherited a far bigger mess.

Prime rate Jan 1981: 20.5%
Prime rate Jan 2008 6.5%

Reagan very significantly increased public expenditure, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); most of those years military spending was about 6% of GDP, exceeding this number in 4 different years. All these numbers had not been seen since the end of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War in 1973.[14] In 1981, Reagan significantly reduced the maximum tax rate, which affected the highest income earners, and lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50%; in 1986 he further reduced the rate to 28%.[15] As a result of all this, the budget deficit and federal debt increased considerably: debt grew from 33.3% of GDP in 1980 to 51.9% at the end of 1988 [16] and the deficit increased from 2.7% in 1980 to more than double in 1983, when it reached 6%; in 1984, 1985 and 1986 it was around 5%.[17] In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion,[18] and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation.[19] Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here's what Reagan's Defense budget bought us. I'll put that against the $850B Obama ShoveReady for Bullshit Stimulus any day of the week

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK30k2WTxY0[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

there was no peace dividend. We barely cut defense spending at all.

 

[uscitizen]

We moved from creditor to debtor nation status under Reagan.

bullshit. We have been a debtor nation since Eisenhower. We became a PROBLEM debtor nation under Nixon and have only grown worse every congress since.

And as a small reminder, all spending bills start in the House. Who controlled the house for 44 years out of the last 50? That's right. Democrats. The republicans don't have much room to talk since they went along with this "decrease of the increase' bullshit for decades.

Real spending cuts and real reduction of all parts of government, unconstitutional social programs most of all, need to occur starting the next budget year.

From my post #47:


and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation.[19] Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency

 

[uscitizen]

When did we move from a manufacturing driven economy to a consumer/service driven one?

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

FACTS:

*We STILL have RECORD unemployment.
*We STILL have RECORD debt.
*We STILL have RECORD deficits.

Thanks to the tax cuts WE helped pass/extend, individual consumers are able to spend more, as they are more optimistic.

Thanks to us, the well to do consumers will continue to stimulate the economy with their investments.

If the economy is indeed, ACTUALLY GOOD AGAIN by 2012, Obama willl undoubtedly try to lie, and take all the credit, and we will be there to expose said BS.

we don't have record unemployment.

Your tax cuts are the problem, not the solution. At least if record deficits and record debt actually matter to you.

Stop lying. STFU. You been busted on all three points.

.....So you wanted those tax cuts to expire? Painfully and unbearably raising taxes ON ALL AMERICANS DURING THIS MOST FRAGILE TIME IN OUR RECOVERY?

Next!

 

[rightwinger]

FACTS:

*We STILL have RECORD unemployment.
*We STILL have RECORD debt.
*We STILL have RECORD deficits.

Thanks to the tax cuts WE helped pass/extend, individual consumers are able to spend more, as they are more optimistic.

Thanks to us, the well to do consumers will continue to stimulate the economy with their investments.

If the economy is indeed, ACTUALLY GOOD AGAIN by 2012, Obama willl undoubtedly try to lie, and take all the credit, and we will be there to expose said BS.

we don't have record unemployment.

Your tax cuts are the problem, not the solution. At least if record deficits and record debt actually matter to you.

Stop lying. STFU. You been busted on all three points.

.....So you wanted those tax cuts to expire? Painfully and unbearably raising taxes ON ALL AMERICANS DURING THIS MOST FRAGILE TIME IN OUR RECOVERY?

Next!

The majority of Americans wanted the tax cuts to expire on the wealthiest Americans. Republicans whined and pouted till they ensured their millionaire friends were getting their tax cuts

 

[code1211]

Glad to see you fInally seeing the economic disaster Obama walked in to Stock market lost 7000 points, auto companies and banks collapsing, losing 700000 jobs a month......

Thankfully, stimulus and other programs prevented a depression.

Riiiight...and you belive the LIE?

Care to show where anything is not true?

Hard to fix a Republican recession

It's even harder when you want to assure that ALL of the blame goes to the Reps and ALL of the credit goes to the Dems.

If Obama was a statesman instead of a Chicago political machine partisan hack, the recession would have ended by June of his first year in office. As it is, our chidren will be paying for the extended unemployment benefits of Obama's core supporters.