Obama does not state the 1967 border should be returned...

[bigrebnc1775]

Bush said the same thing, and somehow it was OK then.

I did a google search and no where did I find Bush suggesting Isreal give up land.

http://www.google.com/search?source...borders&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

 

[JBeukema]

Reb, wtf does the Louisiana Purchase have to do with anything?

 

[edthecynic]

Opinion piece

The oipnion of Israelis, not Obama haters.

Haaretz.Com

• Published 21:25 19.05.11
• Latest update 21:25 19.05.11

Obama granted Netanyahu a major diplomatic victory

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders.

By Aluf Benn

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu can feel satisfied while flying to Washington Thursday night. U.S. President Barack Obama has granted Netanyahu a major diplomatic victory.

In return for his call for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, without defining the size of these lands, Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands for strict security arrangements and a gradual, continuous withdrawal from the West Bank.
He suggested beginning negotiations on borders and security arrangements, and delaying discussions on the core issues such as Jerusalem and refugees.

More importantly, Obama scornfully rejected the Palestinian initiative to attain recognition at the United Nations and to isolate Israel, demanded the Palestinians return to negotiations, and called on Hamas to recognize Israel's right to exist. These points came straight out of the policy pages of the Prime Minister's Bureau in Jerusalem. Netanyahu could not have asked for more: Obama outright rejects Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' recognition campaign, as well as the Palestinian reconciliation agreement.

It seems that the new Fatah-Hamas unity has saved Netanyahu from a much more aggressive and binding speech on the part of Obama.
Obama could have also delivered his Mideast speech during the impending AIPAC conference, which he will attend this coming Sunday.

His approach to Israel was empathetic, not only with his reassurance of the U.S. commitment to Israel's security but also with his attempt "to save Israel from itself." Obama warned us that if we perpetuated the occupation, we shall crash due to our demographic inferiority, new military technology, and most importantly, due to the anger of the masses who are slowly gaining power in the surrounding countries. In order to retain the vision of a Jewish and democratic state, Israel must end the occupation and withdraw from the West Bank.

The points of the speech were surely pleasing to Netanyahu's ears. Obama promised he won't force a deal on Israel and the Palestinians and demanded both sides to return to negotiations. He did not condemn, as he did before, the Israeli settlements in the territories as "illegitimate" and did not demand a settlement freeze. He only reminded, in a critical tone, that Israel continues building settlements, as an explanation for the deadlock in peace talks.

Netanyahu will have to reply to Obama by accepting the principle of "1967 borders with agreed land swaps." He made a step toward that direction in his speech in the Knesset this week, when he talked about preserving settlement blocs, which is the same thing in Israeli wording. On the eve of his U.S. trip, Netanyahu's advisers hinted that he will accept this principle on Friday during his close-room meeting with Obama, while presenting a less binding policy during his U.S. Congress speech on Tuesday in fear of causing the breakup of the coalition.

Netanyahu essentially has no choice: after Obama accepted his procedural and security demands, he cannot remain apathetic to the U.S. president's suggestion regarding borders. But Netanyahu has nothing to worry about – there is no chance the Palestinian leadership will agree to return to negotiations under these principles.

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders

So Jim just lied obama did make the suggestion for Israel to go back to the 1967 borders?

No, YOU just lied, as usual!!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Reb, wtf does the Louisiana Purchase have to do with anything?

Where did I mention the Louisiana Purchase in this thread?

 

[Rodack]

Isnt the LA purchase when white american people bought land from france then liberals, for the next 150 years, screamed that the land was stolen?


Odd

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The oipnion of Israelis, not Obama haters.

Haaretz.Com

• Published 21:25 19.05.11
• Latest update 21:25 19.05.11

Obama granted Netanyahu a major diplomatic victory

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders.

By Aluf Benn

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu can feel satisfied while flying to Washington Thursday night. U.S. President Barack Obama has granted Netanyahu a major diplomatic victory.

In return for his call for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, without defining the size of these lands, Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands for strict security arrangements and a gradual, continuous withdrawal from the West Bank.
He suggested beginning negotiations on borders and security arrangements, and delaying discussions on the core issues such as Jerusalem and refugees.

More importantly, Obama scornfully rejected the Palestinian initiative to attain recognition at the United Nations and to isolate Israel, demanded the Palestinians return to negotiations, and called on Hamas to recognize Israel's right to exist. These points came straight out of the policy pages of the Prime Minister's Bureau in Jerusalem. Netanyahu could not have asked for more: Obama outright rejects Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' recognition campaign, as well as the Palestinian reconciliation agreement.

It seems that the new Fatah-Hamas unity has saved Netanyahu from a much more aggressive and binding speech on the part of Obama.
Obama could have also delivered his Mideast speech during the impending AIPAC conference, which he will attend this coming Sunday.

His approach to Israel was empathetic, not only with his reassurance of the U.S. commitment to Israel's security but also with his attempt "to save Israel from itself." Obama warned us that if we perpetuated the occupation, we shall crash due to our demographic inferiority, new military technology, and most importantly, due to the anger of the masses who are slowly gaining power in the surrounding countries. In order to retain the vision of a Jewish and democratic state, Israel must end the occupation and withdraw from the West Bank.

The points of the speech were surely pleasing to Netanyahu's ears. Obama promised he won't force a deal on Israel and the Palestinians and demanded both sides to return to negotiations. He did not condemn, as he did before, the Israeli settlements in the territories as "illegitimate" and did not demand a settlement freeze. He only reminded, in a critical tone, that Israel continues building settlements, as an explanation for the deadlock in peace talks.

Netanyahu will have to reply to Obama by accepting the principle of "1967 borders with agreed land swaps." He made a step toward that direction in his speech in the Knesset this week, when he talked about preserving settlement blocs, which is the same thing in Israeli wording. On the eve of his U.S. trip, Netanyahu's advisers hinted that he will accept this principle on Friday during his close-room meeting with Obama, while presenting a less binding policy during his U.S. Congress speech on Tuesday in fear of causing the breakup of the coalition.

Netanyahu essentially has no choice: after Obama accepted his procedural and security demands, he cannot remain apathetic to the U.S. president's suggestion regarding borders. But Netanyahu has nothing to worry about – there is no chance the Palestinian leadership will agree to return to negotiations under these principles.

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders

So Jim just lied obama did make the suggestion for Israel to go back to the 1967 borders?

No, YOU just lied, as usual!!

From your post

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders

What is a proposal?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Isnt the LA purchase when white american people bought land from france then liberals, for the next 150 years, screamed that the land was stolen?


Odd

They only do that when they want to shit on the U.S. Constitution and spew hate for the founders.

 

[Rodack]

Democrats hate America

 

[edthecynic]

So Jim just lied obama did make the suggestion for Israel to go back to the 1967 borders?

No, YOU just lied, as usual!!

From your post

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders

What is a proposal?

An HONEST question would have been, What WAS THE proposal!!!!!!!

In return for his call for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, without defining the size of these lands,

 

[edthecynic]

Bush said the same thing, and somehow it was OK then.

I did a google search and no where did I find Bush suggesting Isreal give up land.

bush tells Israel to go back to the 1967 borders - Google Search

This is a perfect example of the dishonesty of CON$.

The google search is not for "giving up land" but for "going back to 1967 borders." As you know, the Bush "road map" called for a "CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state" and the only way for a CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state would be with land swaps!!!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Bush said the same thing, and somehow it was OK then.

I did a google search and no where did I find Bush suggesting Isreal give up land.

bush tells Israel to go back to the 1967 borders - Google Search

This is a perfect example of the dishonesty of CON$.

The google search is not for "giving up land" but for "going back to 1967 borders." As you know, the Bush "road map" called for a "CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state" and the only way for a CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state would be with land swaps!!!

Did Bush PROPOSE like obama did that Israel go back to the 1967 treaty border line?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, YOU just lied, as usual!!

From your post

What is a proposal?

An HONEST question would have been, What WAS THE proposal!!!!!!!

In return for his call for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, without defining the size of these lands,

What is a proposal?

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders

The proposal 1967 borders.

Now fuckwit what is a proposal?

 

[edthecynic]

From your post

What is a proposal?

An HONEST question would have been, What WAS THE proposal!!!!!!!

What is a proposal?

After Obama accepted Netanyahu's demands, the PM now cannot be apathetic to the U.S. president's proposal for 1967 borders

The proposal 1967 borders.

Now fuckwit what is a proposal?

The quote you cite is the editors headline for the article, not Obama's proposal, as you well know. And it is a testament to your dishonesty as proven by your repeated editing out of Obama's proposal contained in the body of the article and re-posted yet again below!!!!!

In return for his call for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, without defining the size of these lands,

 

[edthecynic]

I did a google search and no where did I find Bush suggesting Isreal give up land.

bush tells Israel to go back to the 1967 borders - Google Search

This is a perfect example of the dishonesty of CON$.

The google search is not for "giving up land" but for "going back to 1967 borders." As you know, the Bush "road map" called for a "CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state" and the only way for a CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state would be with land swaps!!!

Did Bush PROPOSE like obama did that Israel go back to the 1967 treaty border line?

Bush did not say you couldn't!! He only said you could not go back to PRE-1967 borders.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

The madman Obama has left Japan to fight this battle alone. The Manchurian Red raised Canidate Obama has assisted China in manipulating Japan by completely ignoring the disaster that our Japanese allies are dealing with.

Apparently, When Haiti had an earthquake, the entire fucking world stopped along with endless commercials by the Government run media that repeatedly asked for donations to help that turd world Island. Not a word about The Dominican Republic either, that shares the other half of that Island by the way. Hmmmm?

Red China is helping Japan as we speak, while the lying swindling manchurian canidate Obama laughs about the fact that he is destroying U.S / Japanese relations which is just of many international relationships that his masters agenda pre-planned to wipe out. Obama is an internationalist lunatic. Obama is destroying allied relationships that have been built for decades and decades. This madman has to be stopped, Not to mention the mentally deranged internationalist lunatics that control him. Wake up sheople. ~BH

 

[Zander]

Don't believe your own eyes and ears, no way. Instead believe what your masters tell you to believe. How stupid are you Jim?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

An HONEST question would have been, What WAS THE proposal!!!!!!!

What is a proposal?

The proposal 1967 borders.

Now fuckwit what is a proposal?

The quote you cite is the editors headline for the article, not Obama's proposal, as you well know. And it is a testament to your dishonesty as proven by your repeated editing out of Obama's proposal contained in the body of the article and re-posted yet again below!!!!!

In return for his call for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, without defining the size of these lands,

Obamush's proposal

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states," he said.

"Our commitment to Israel's security is unshakeable," Obama said. "But precisely because of our friendship, it is important that we tell the truth: the status quo is unsustainable, and Israel too must act boldly to advance a lasting peace."

1. You cannot mutually agree with someone that wants you dead.
2. Obamush is a liar and so are you if you defending what he's saying.

 

[bodecea]

Has Obama ever spoken a truth?


worst PResident ever


He personally destroyed the american dream

So. The American Dream is officially destroyed?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is a perfect example of the dishonesty of CON$.

The google search is not for "giving up land" but for "going back to 1967 borders." As you know, the Bush "road map" called for a "CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state" and the only way for a CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state would be with land swaps!!!

Did Bush PROPOSE like obama did that Israel go back to the 1967 treaty border line?

Bush did not say you couldn't!! He only said you could not go back to PRE-1967 borders.

You are so highly intoxicate on Obamush that you are contridicting yourself.

Bush did not say you couldn't!! He only said you could not go back to PRE-1967 borders

As you know, the Bush "road map" called for a CONTIGUOUS Palestinian state would be with land swaps

Bush did not suggest Israel go back the the pre 1967 borders, Obamush did.

Palestinian's want Jerusalem to be it's capital no way in hell will that be agreed to.

 

[edthecynic]

Obamush's proposal

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states," he said.

Did Bush PROPOSE like obama did that Israel go back to the 1967 treaty border line?

Bush did not say you couldn't!! He only said you could not go back to PRE-1967 borders.

You are so highly intoxicate on Obamush that you are contridicting yourself.
Bush did not suggest Israel go back the the pre 1967 borders, Obamush did.

You are a pathological liar and a terrible one at that!!!
Not only did I NOT say Bush suggested Israel go back to pre-1967 borders, neither did Obama!!!

In your post immediately before this one you quoted what Obama said and there is no PRE 1967 borders in it!!! YOU dishonestly added the PRE!!!