Obama/Democrats will create jobs if NO Keystone built... here is how..

[OnePercenter]

And no OPEC member can survive on $50/bbl oil. Some of them need in excess of $100/bbl just to stay afloat (pun intended). Push comes to shove, we are looking at a new world order based not on OPEC whim but market forces. Imagine the prosperity in the non-oil producing world at $50/bbl. Frankly, I don't understand the pushback on increased North American production which is GOOD for us. Is it a kneejerk defense of our President's position? Smile ... it's a wonderful day.

OPEC members can't survive on $40.00/bbl profit? Gee, they must have been destitute pre-BushCo.

 

[Kosh]

And no OPEC member can survive on $50/bbl oil. Some of them need in excess of $100/bbl just to stay afloat (pun intended). Push comes to shove, we are looking at a new world order based not on OPEC whim but market forces. Imagine the prosperity in the non-oil producing world at $50/bbl. Frankly, I don't understand the pushback on increased North American production which is GOOD for us. Is it a kneejerk defense of our President's position? Smile ... it's a wonderful day.

OPEC members can't survive on $40.00/bbl profit? Gee, they must have been destitute pre-BushCo.

Another far left propaganda post based on the far left religious belief..

Although these far left drones continue to show that they are irony impaired.

Energy

 

[OnePercenter]

Another far left propaganda post based on the far left religious belief..

Although these far left drones continue to show that they are irony impaired.

Energy

Your answer is what fools believe? Really?

 

[SAYIT]

North American production is expensive. Oil at 50 bucks a barrel or less would all but shut down North American production.

Fracking and off shore production at least.

On shore production costs are a little over $30 a barrel, so that will continue at $50 per barrel. Saudi Arabia has already said that they are prepared to go as low as $50 per barrel and their production costs are under $17 per barrel.

Shale oil production costs are falling and will continue to do so as the technology evolves. Additionally the finished product can be refined here (Arab States prefer to refine their oil before shipping) and doesn't have to be shipped half way around the world. Breaking the back of an international price-fixing cartel is a good thing for all but the price-fixers and the Chicken Littles among us. The sky isn't falling (unless you are an OPEC member), just the price of oil.
BTW ... analysts thought the price had hit rock bottom just 2 week ago at $85/bbl. Oops.

 

[SAYIT]

You should actually read what you post. That article specifically states that Canadian oil exported to the US may be re-exported (then again, maybe not), meaning once it's here, it's ours. The article also states that we may use it to replace other imports from Mexico, Venezuela and elsewhere. The increased supply has already driven the global price down significantly. You do understand why, right?
This was lifted from your article:
"Once Canadian crude gets to the Gulf Coast, it might redirect waterborne imports to other parts of the world instead of being re-exported, said Andy Lipow, president of Lipow Oil Associates LLC in Houston. The Gulf Coast imported 4.2 million barrels of crude a day by tanker last week, most of which is heavy oil.
Most of the increase in production is going to be WCS-type barrels, which is what refiners on the Gulf Coast want,” Lipow said. “The first thing that increased Canadian production would compete with is Mexican and Venezuelan crude, which can go elsewhere.”

'The increased supply has already driven the global price down significantly.' FYI; the market is fixed. Prices are down due to the Arabs screwing with Putin.....Which is working.

That is conspiracy theory BS. The plunge is being driven by decreased demand in Asia, increased supply from North America and the loss of market pricing control by the international price-fixing cartel: OPEC.

 

[SAYIT]

And no OPEC member can survive on $50/bbl oil. Some of them need in excess of $100/bbl just to stay afloat (pun intended). Push comes to shove, we are looking at a new world order based not on OPEC whim but market forces. Imagine the prosperity in the non-oil producing world at $50/bbl. Frankly, I don't understand the pushback on increased North American production which is GOOD for us. Is it a kneejerk defense of our President's position? Smile ... it's a wonderful day.

OPEC members can't survive on $40.00/bbl profit? Gee, they must have been destitute pre-BushCo.

Oil is virtually all some OPEC countries have to sell. The price is down 1/3 since June and still falling (7% the last 2 weeks). You knock a third off any countries GDP and see how long they remain standing. Hey ... isn't kicking the crap outta the international price-fixing cartel a worthwhile endeavor? Aren't you having fun saving cash at the pump? Quit whining!

 

[OnePercenter]

That is conspiracy theory BS. The plunge is being driven by decreased demand in Asia, increased supply from North America and the loss of market pricing control by the international price-fixing cartel: OPEC.

Keep thinking that and you'll die dumb.

The market is fixed. Putin is bad. When you shoot down a commercial aircraft and promote cyber-terrorism among other bad things, you tend to piss-off VERY influential and powerful people in this world and must pay.

 

[oreo]

The liberal tree hugger that wrote this post doesn't realize that this oil from Canada already comes down by truck and rail. It could dump anywhere!--LOL

So is it better to actually create 47,000 new construction jobs for two years and pipe it down so it doesn't slop all the way down here from Canada?

 

[oreo]

The Democrat Party today is for voting against jobs, while handing out 5 million new green cards.

Get used to it, there's going to be two more years of this. After a while one begins to wonder how much someone could hate their country this much, to do the things they do.

 

[OnePercenter]

The liberal tree hugger that wrote this post doesn't realize that this oil from Canada already comes down by truck and rail. It could dump anywhere!--LOL

So is it better to actually create 47,000 new construction jobs for two years and pipe it down so it doesn't slop all the way down here from Canada?

What happens to the existing pipeline?

http://www.capp.ca/getdoc.aspx?DocID=247758

 

[healthmyths]

North American production is expensive. Oil at 50 bucks a barrel or less would all but shut down North American production.

The cost to produce a barrel of oil is $10.00.

Here are the FACTS...
How much does it cost to produce crude oil and natural gas - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration EIA
The below EIA web page doesn't support your GUESS!
Isn't the Internet wonderful... Took me less then 2 minutes to find THE F...KING FACTS! NOT guesses!

 

[Kosh]

Another far left propaganda post based on the far left religious belief..

Although these far left drones continue to show that they are irony impaired.

Energy

Your answer is what fools believe? Really?

Typical far left drone to deny reality when it is shown to them..

Polls show Americans support the Keystone pipeline. Thus the far left went against what the people want yet again.

 

[Siete]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

no Keystone ... by tanker to China

LMAO !

how do you imagine a million barrels of oil get to China from Houston ?

please explain your transportation solutions ..

go ahead, show the people on the internet exactly how stupid you really are?

 

[healthmyths]

Another far left propaganda post based on the far left religious belief..

Although these far left drones continue to show that they are irony impaired.

Energy

Your answer is what fools believe? Really?

Typical far left drone to deny reality when it is shown to them..

Polls show Americans support the Keystone pipeline. Thus the far left went against what the people want yet again.

I guess the "non-stupid American voters" have a grasp on the difference in higher risk and greater damage from 1 million barrels in a tanker floating on
ocean traveling one mile versus 700 barrels traveling one mile in a pipeline on dry land. With 185,000 miles of oil pipeline already in the USA the "non-stupid American voter" grasps the lesser of two evils, i.e. one million barrels versus 700 barrels! I know it isn't tough but the Anti-Keystone crowd have a problem with simple arithmetic. These are the same "stupid American voters" that believe Obama there are 46 million uninsured Americans when in fact
10 million are not citizens but counted as part of the 46 million... 14 million should have been enrolled Medicaid/SCHIP but aren't due to Obama inefficiencies and 18 million don't want our need health insurance as they are under 34 making over $50,000...yet they were bogusly counted!
So it goes with the territory of 'stupid American voters" that bought the ACA and now buying the ignorant arithmetic of Keystone!

 

[healthmyths]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

no Keystone ... by tanker to China

LMAO !

how do you imagine a million barrels of oil get to China from Houston ?

please explain your transportation solutions ..

go ahead, show the people on the internet exactly how stupid you really are?

So you would prefer 1 million barrels in a tanker bouncing around the frigid, arctic pacific ocean over 700 barrels traveling one mile to Houston then
bouncing around in the quieter less damaging Gulf of Mexico?
Remember the Exxon Valdez happened in the same shipping lanes this additional million barrels a day will be traveling if no Keystone!
It is the less risk of an accident and smaller damages going to Houston by pipeline THEN on a tanker but in the calmer Gulf of Mexico.
Any dangers of tankers in the Gulf are mitigated by the expertise, the more conducive climate and the smaller area involved.

 

[Siete]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

no Keystone ... by tanker to China

LMAO !

how do you imagine a million barrels of oil get to China from Houston ?

please explain your transportation solutions ..

go ahead, show the people on the internet exactly how stupid you really are?

So you would prefer 1 million barrels in a tanker bouncing around the frigid, arctic pacific ocean over 700 barrels traveling one mile to Houston then
bouncing around in the quieter less damaging Gulf of Mexico?
Remember the Exxon Valdez happened in the same shipping lanes this additional million barrels a day will be traveling if no Keystone!
It is the less risk of an accident and smaller damages going to Houston by pipeline THEN on a tanker but in the calmer Gulf of Mexico.
Any dangers of tankers in the Gulf are mitigated by the expertise, the more conducive climate and the smaller area involved.

look at a globe you ignorant dipshit, then call me with your transportation solutions.

while you're studying world geography, read all about Houston ..

UPDATE 6-Vital Houston oil tanker routes shut amid spill cleanup Reuters

The Houston Ship Channel, which allows oil barges and cargo ships to sail from the Gulf Coast to refiners and terminals further inland, was shut on Saturday following a collision between a Kirby Inland Marine oil barge and a cargo ship, spilling some 4,000 barrels, or 168,000 gallons (636,000 liters), of residual fuel oil

then shut the hell up.

 

[Politico]

And right there you are wrong. More oil from the Americas means less demand for OPEC's. Guess what happens to the price when desperate suppliers need - and OPEC nations desperately need - to sell their oil? Even if the only benefit was to fuck OPEC where the sun don't shine, I'd go build that pipeline with my own two hands.

And how does that help us when gas prices here go up when the oil refineries in Ohio, Illinois, etc are no longer getting oil?

Yeah, 'cause we have no oil in any nearby states.

Where do you think the refineries that process the oil are located meathead? It is part of the Keystone plan to eliminate midwest refinery usage. That raises prices.

Jesus I think there's like three folks in this thread who appear to have any understanding of the topic.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is simple. No Keystone means 1 million barrels by tanker to China.
With the below spill the cleanup required about 10,000 workers,
1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

On March 23, 1989, at 9:12 pm the Exxon Valdez oil tanker left the Alyeska Pipeline to cross Prince William Sound carrying approximately 53 million gallons of crude oil. The tanker was headed for Long Beach, California. Three hours later, just after midnight on March 24th, the Exxon Valdez ran into Bligh Reef, spilling 10.8 million gallons of oil into the sound.

Here are some of the most startling statistics about the effects of the Exxon Valdez spill on marine wildlife, fisheries and the region's economy:

• The amount of oil spilled could fill 125 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

• As many as 2,800 sea otters, 300 harbor seals, 900 bald eagles and 250,000 seabirds died in the days following the disaster.

• 1,300 miles of coastline were hit by the oil spill.

• 1,000 harlequin ducks were killed by the oil spill, in addition to many chronic injuries that occurred as a result of the long term effects of the spill.

• The cleanup required about 10,000 workers, 1,000 boats and roughly 100 airplanes and helicopters.

• Four deaths were directly associated with cleanup efforts.

• The spill caused over $300 million of economic harm to more than 32 thousand people whose livelihoods depended on commercial fishing.

• Tourism spending decreased by eight percent in south central Alaska and by 35 percent in southwest Alaska in the year after the spill.

• There was a loss of 9,400 visitors and $5.5 million in state spending.

• Many fish populations were harmed during the spill. For example, sand lance populations went down in 1989 and 1990, herring returns were significantly fewer in 1992 and 1994 and adult fish had high rates of viral infections.

• Pink salmon embryos continued to be harmed and killed by oil that remained on stones and gravel of stream banks through at least 1993. As a result, the southwestern part of Prince William Sound lost 1.9 million or 28 percent of its potential stock of wild pink salmon. By 1992, this part of the sound still had 6 percent less of the wild pink salmon stock than was estimated to have existed if the spill had not occurred.

• Two years following the Exxon Valdez spill, the economic losses to recreational fishing were estimated to be $31 million.

• Twelve years after the spill, oil could still be found on half of the 91 randomly selected beaches surveyed.

• Three species of cormorant, the common loon, the harbor seal, the harlequin duck, the pacific herring and the pigeon guillemot still have not fully recovered.
• Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Facts

no Keystone ... by tanker to China

LMAO !

how do you imagine a million barrels of oil get to China from Houston ?

please explain your transportation solutions ..

go ahead, show the people on the internet exactly how stupid you really are?

So you would prefer 1 million barrels in a tanker bouncing around the frigid, arctic pacific ocean over 700 barrels traveling one mile to Houston then
bouncing around in the quieter less damaging Gulf of Mexico?
Remember the Exxon Valdez happened in the same shipping lanes this additional million barrels a day will be traveling if no Keystone!
It is the less risk of an accident and smaller damages going to Houston by pipeline THEN on a tanker but in the calmer Gulf of Mexico.
Any dangers of tankers in the Gulf are mitigated by the expertise, the more conducive climate and the smaller area involved.

You need to stop lying. The Valdez spill occurred in Prince William Sound, a sheltered coastal area.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Valdez spill was caused by a course plotting error by a crew member.

yup! don't have course error with pipeline

What pipeline is taking the oil to China, India, and Europe?

 

[SAYIT]

And right there you are wrong. More oil from the Americas means less demand for OPEC's. Guess what happens to the price when desperate suppliers need - and OPEC nations desperately need - to sell their oil? Even if the only benefit was to fuck OPEC where the sun don't shine, I'd go build that pipeline with my own two hands.

And how does that help us when gas prices here go up when the oil refineries in Ohio, Illinois, etc are no longer getting oil?

Yeah, 'cause we have no oil in any nearby states.

Where do you think the refineries that process the oil are located meathead? It is part of the Keystone plan to eliminate midwest refinery usage. That raises prices.

Jesus I think there's like three folks in this thread who appear to have any understanding of the topic.

Yeah, yeah, I get your point, Princess. Increased supply of oil leads to higher prices. We've seen that dynamic in action GLOBALLY since June. Wait a minute ... no we haven't.