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The Korean War is on hiatus. Anything could re-ignite it.Can't see a big problem here.
We want to get out.
The Iraqis want us to leave.
Frankly, I'd prefer that to something like Korea, where we are keeping a whole division on standby to defend the third richest country in Asia from the poorest country in Asia from a war that ended 60 years ago.
On a larger note, perhaps it is time for us to stop trying to be the world's policeman. We have troops in over 100 countries, and we are broke! The world doesn't seem to appreciate our efforts all that much. You get the lazy socialist states of Europe who spend less than 1% of GDP defending their own countries while we spend 6% of GDP protecting the whole world.
At the very least, we should actually charge for the service.
Obama said yesterday that he's pulling everyone out of Iraq.
Good. I fully support that decision. I don't agree with the timing. It should have been done 2 years ago, but that's beside the point. I'm tired of waiting for this President to decide when would be the right time to declare victory and leave the region to it's own demise.
In my opinion Obama has no business being Commander in Chief. It doesn't matter how many bad guys he claims he assassinated. He cannot win a war. He can only make it look like he's winning before withdrawing with what little honor he has left.
I figured he'd wait till next Spring but he's trying to win re-election now, not actually do the right thing.
Obama feels the time is right. 2 years ago wasn't the right time. He put off this decision for more dramatic effect. People actually think Obama is a great wartime President now and he fully intends on taking advantage of that.
In truth Obama has been a disaster in Iraq. He couldn't even negotiate immunity for our troops against Iraqi prosecution. Our troops could be snatched off of the side of the road or in a restaurant and charged with murder or mayhem pretty much at the whims of the host country. This is why we're leaving, not because the mission is over.
He says now is the time to get back to the business of fixing the economy.
Excuse me, but wasn't that your number one goal this Summer????
Oh, yeah, right. Now is the right time.
His only hope is that once we leave the folks he leaves behind don't come under attack by peaceful protesters in a manner reminiscent of the Iranian Hostage situation.
Cross your fingers Barry.
Wow, so many mistatements in that paragraph, I don't know where to begin.
The war was hardly "unprovoked". Saddam was a monster and he got what was coming to him, and his people were glad to be rid of him. He caused the deaths of over 2 million people. You like to forget about that, for some reason, and treat him like he was a clubbed baby seal.
Ghadaffy wasn't a problem for us, and all Obama did was tie us into something that wasn't our problem.
I give Obama credit for the fact the death of Bin Laden happened on his watch, although it would not have happened without the intelligence and military efforts made by his predecessor in developing the kind of forces to pull off that kind of mission.
So is that our policy now, we go to places where mass murder is taking place and stop it, indifferent of our own national interests?
Obama: U.S. to withdraw most Iraq troops by August 2010 - CNN
Article date: February 27, 2009
Snip,
Between 35,000 to 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq, he said. They would be withdrawn gradually until all U.S. forces are out of Iraq by December 31, 2011 -- the deadline set under an agreement the Bush administration signed with the Iraqi government last year.
Just a reminder to all the fools that think Mr Obama orchestrated this plan of action.
I'm sure the MSM isn't reminding them who planned this, but instead, is giving credit to Mr Obama.
And it is one year later.
Can't see a big problem here.
We want to get out.
The Iraqis want us to leave.
Frankly, I'd prefer that to something like Korea, where we are keeping a whole division on standby to defend the third richest country in Asia from the poorest country in Asia from a war that ended 60 years ago.
On a larger note, perhaps it is time for us to stop trying to be the world's policeman. We have troops in over 100 countries, and we are broke! The world doesn't seem to appreciate our efforts all that much. You get the lazy socialist states of Europe who spend less than 1% of GDP defending their own countries while we spend 6% of GDP protecting the whole world.
At the very least, we should actually charge for the service.
Everything you said spells defeat.
Can't see a big problem here.
We want to get out.
The Iraqis want us to leave.
Frankly, I'd prefer that to something like Korea, where we are keeping a whole division on standby to defend the third richest country in Asia from the poorest country in Asia from a war that ended 60 years ago.
On a larger note, perhaps it is time for us to stop trying to be the world's policeman. We have troops in over 100 countries, and we are broke! The world doesn't seem to appreciate our efforts all that much. You get the lazy socialist states of Europe who spend less than 1% of GDP defending their own countries while we spend 6% of GDP protecting the whole world.
At the very least, we should actually charge for the service.
Everything you said spells defeat.
If everything he said spells 'defeat'...
and he said we want out...
and you also wanted us out...
doesn't that mean you wanted us defeated?
This thread is a perfect example of how no matter what Obama does, the USMB far right has a problem with it.
This thread is a perfect example of how no matter what Obama does, the USMB far right has a problem with it.
Look up the word, asshat. Then come back and explain your comment.The Korean War is on hiatus. Anything could re-ignite it.Can't see a big problem here.
We want to get out.
The Iraqis want us to leave.
Frankly, I'd prefer that to something like Korea, where we are keeping a whole division on standby to defend the third richest country in Asia from the poorest country in Asia from a war that ended 60 years ago.
On a larger note, perhaps it is time for us to stop trying to be the world's policeman. We have troops in over 100 countries, and we are broke! The world doesn't seem to appreciate our efforts all that much. You get the lazy socialist states of Europe who spend less than 1% of GDP defending their own countries while we spend 6% of GDP protecting the whole world.
At the very least, we should actually charge for the service.
thats why we keep you away from it. Your ass would do something stupid and start it all back up again.
something like You are a statist!!! guns blazing not a clue in the world.
um.....we have been planning to leave since Bush, Obama used Bushes timetable.
all i see here is more whining.
Untrue..
Prove it's Bush's timetable.
Bush said before he left that it would depend on military commander's recommendations, not political expediency. No set timetable was ever made.
Apparently Obama has gone around the recommendations of his commanders.
He couldn't exert any influence on the ongoing negotiations for us to remain, so he's throwing up his hands and walking out.....putting a positive spin on the situation.
Obama: U.S. to withdraw most Iraq troops by August 2010 - CNN
Article date: February 27, 2009
Snip,
Between 35,000 to 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq, he said. They would be withdrawn gradually until all U.S. forces are out of Iraq by December 31, 2011 -- the deadline set under an agreement the Bush administration signed with the Iraqi government last year.
Just a reminder to all the fools that think Mr Obama orchestrated this plan of action.
I'm sure the MSM isn't reminding them who planned this, but instead, is giving credit to Mr Obama.
And it is one year later.
Oh why did Bush want us to leave in utter defeat?
Just shows how dumb the OP is.
This thread is a perfect example of how no matter what Obama does, the USMB far right has a problem with it.
Fail, read my post directly above yours. Lockstep mentalities are dangerous.
Obama: U.S. to withdraw most Iraq troops by August 2010 - CNN
Article date: February 27, 2009
Snip,
Just a reminder to all the fools that think Mr Obama orchestrated this plan of action.
I'm sure the MSM isn't reminding them who planned this, but instead, is giving credit to Mr Obama.
And it is one year later.
Oh why did Bush want us to leave in utter defeat?
Just shows how dumb the OP is.
Two sentences and two bold-faced lies.
Bush didn't want us to leave in defeat.
And your false impressions and imaginings have no relevance on my OP.
Let me get this straight: Bush/Cheney started an unprovoked war with Iraq that has resulted in the deaths of over 4500 US service members and probably tens-of-thousands (probably more) of innocent Iraqi civilians, and caused Iraq to be over-run with AQ terrorists (none of which existed before in Iraq). After 8 years of that mess, Obama decides it's time to bring the troops home; but only after he ordered the mission that took down Bin Laden and got the US involved in the NATO mission that lead to the downfall of Ghadaffi. And you want me to believe that not only is this a defeat for Obama, but that he's also an incompetent CIC?
Hitting the bottle a little early today, or are you just filled with so much hatred for Obama and jealousy of his accomplishments that you're incapable of coming up with a sane argument against him?
Oh why did Bush want us to leave in utter defeat?
Just shows how dumb the OP is.
Two sentences and two bold-faced lies.
Bush didn't want us to leave in defeat.
And your false impressions and imaginings have no relevance on my OP.
dude... it was Bush's timetable.
Let me get this straight: Bush/Cheney started an unprovoked war with Iraq that has resulted in the deaths of over 4500 US service members and probably tens-of-thousands (probably more) of innocent Iraqi civilians, and caused Iraq to be over-run with AQ terrorists (none of which existed before in Iraq). After 8 years of that mess, Obama decides it's time to bring the troops home; but only after he ordered the mission that took down Bin Laden and got the US involved in the NATO mission that lead to the downfall of Ghadaffi. And you want me to believe that not only is this a defeat for Obama, but that he's also an incompetent CIC?
Hitting the bottle a little early today, or are you just filled with so much hatred for Obama and jealousy of his accomplishments that you're incapable of coming up with a sane argument against him?
