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No, they're not. But keep telling yourself that, if it give you comfort.
Republicans voting for Republicans? I'm sure he'll be shocked.
Yes most Republicans will vote for mostly Republicans just as most Democrats will vote for mostly Democrats. That is nothing new.
But as more people now identify themselves as Independents rather than as Republican or Democrat, elections will be won or lost there. And the Independents make up a substantial percentage of the Tea Party effort.
The Independents did lean toward Obama as they believed his impassioned campaign rhetoric. A lot of those folks now know they were duped. They won't be so easily fooled again.
Independents are not a significant part of the Tea Party movement. A sizable chunk of them call themselves independents, but when you drill down into the numbers, it's very clear that many of these so-called independents are Republicans who are choosing to not call themselves that for some reason.
Nope, I'm merely saying that the tea parties don't very treat Obama like a human being.
I can't very well say whether they do or not as I have only seen one clip (today I might add) from a Tea Party speech. I was not impressed by the rhetoric.
I might agree with some of the points they would like to bring about, but from what I have read, I'm not a big fan of their movement. They don't seem to want to bring about their issues. What I see that they want is to bring about a GOP victory ASAP as if that was going to bring a solution to the issues.
Immie
Do you believe the Obama Administration has been good for America? For Americans? Do you agree with the almost fanatical focus on taking control of more and more American enterprise? Demonizing the Bush Admnistration, Wall Street, Tea Partiers, and conservative media while never even mentioning union graft, Fannie Mae, Freddic Mac, or the irresponsible lending policies, pushed by government, that created the mess in the first place? Do you agree with the socialization of health care? With amnesty for illegal immigrants? With the federal government taking control of school curriculum? With the pending Cap and Trade legislation that will be the largest tax ever imposed on a people along with all the other negatives inherent in that including putting some of America's sovereignty under international control? Do you approve policies that ignore trillians of dollars of deficits in an effort to 'spend ourselves rich'?
The Tea Partiers seem to be switching their emphasis from an completely independent focus--one that would have insured Democrat majorities for decades more--to reforming the GOP which is our best chance to get around an Administration and Congress that is deaf to our concerns and stop this disastrous runaway train in its tracks.
However bad the GOP has been which has been very bad, they currently are guilty of promoting none of that stuff and currently are on record as opposing it all. We cannot possibly be worse off though I hope we are replacing liberal democrats with true conservatives in the process.
What did you hear from the Tea Partiers that you didn't like?
I can't very well say whether they do or not as I have only seen one clip (today I might add) from a Tea Party speech. I was not impressed by the rhetoric.
I might agree with some of the points they would like to bring about, but from what I have read, I'm not a big fan of their movement. They don't seem to want to bring about their issues. What I see that they want is to bring about a GOP victory ASAP as if that was going to bring a solution to the issues.
Immie
Do you believe the Obama Administration has been good for America? For Americans? Do you agree with the almost fanatical focus on taking control of more and more American enterprise? Demonizing the Bush Admnistration, Wall Street, Tea Partiers, and conservative media while never even mentioning union graft, Fannie Mae, Freddic Mac, or the irresponsible lending policies, pushed by government, that created the mess in the first place? Do you agree with the socialization of health care? With amnesty for illegal immigrants? With the federal government taking control of school curriculum? With the pending Cap and Trade legislation that will be the largest tax ever imposed on a people along with all the other negatives inherent in that including putting some of America's sovereignty under international control? Do you approve policies that ignore trillians of dollars of deficits in an effort to 'spend ourselves rich'?
The Tea Partiers seem to be switching their emphasis from an completely independent focus--one that would have insured Democrat majorities for decades more--to reforming the GOP which is our best chance to get around an Administration and Congress that is deaf to our concerns and stop this disastrous runaway train in its tracks.
However bad the GOP has been which has been very bad, they currently are guilty of promoting none of that stuff and currently are on record as opposing it all. We cannot possibly be worse off though I hope we are replacing liberal democrats with true conservatives in the process.
What did you hear from the Tea Partiers that you didn't like?
What did I hear from the Tea Party protester that I didn't like?
The link I saw was the one provided by JBeukema of Mark Lloyd. JB said it contained an implied threat. I listened to the 10 minute speech and it was difficult not to agree with JB. Mark Lloyd said he prayed that it would not get to the point of violence and that if the issue wasn't solved by the ballot box a bullet would be the next step (paraphrased). I'd like to think that he was truthfully praying that it would not go that far and that he really feared that some "jackass" might do something stupid. But, quite frankly, I can't convince myself thinking of his tone of voice, that I am correct on that.
What have I heard from the Tea Party protesters elsewhere that I don't like? That is easy... Defeat Obama and elect all Republicans because they are going to save the country. Sorry, Republicans are not quite as bad as Democrats when it comes to throwing money into black hole social programs, but Democrats are not quite as bad as Republicans when it comes to the removal of civil liberties. I don't like either idea very much.
Do I believe the Obama Administration has been good for America? No, but so far he's been better than the latter years of Bush.
I am absolutely against the increasing take over of American Enterprise. But, I don't believe things are going to be all that much different with the next Republican administration.
In re the demonizing of those who oppose the Obama Administration. Those who oppose the administration are my brothers. We're Americans. It pisses me off to have the administration demonize them, but there wasn't much difference when the shoe was on the other foot, and guess what, liberal Americans are my brothers too and I don't much appreciate them being demonized either.
I'm not going to go through each of your questions, but to keep this post short, I don't approve of the Obama Administration, but I am not convinced that a Republican administration would be all that different.
Immie
One of the most conservative members of Congress says President Obama must be completely out of touch with reality for making light of the recent Tea Party gatherings around the country.
Do you believe the Obama Administration has been good for America? For Americans? Do you agree with the almost fanatical focus on taking control of more and more American enterprise? Demonizing the Bush Admnistration, Wall Street, Tea Partiers, and conservative media while never even mentioning union graft, Fannie Mae, Freddic Mac, or the irresponsible lending policies, pushed by government, that created the mess in the first place? Do you agree with the socialization of health care? With amnesty for illegal immigrants? With the federal government taking control of school curriculum? With the pending Cap and Trade legislation that will be the largest tax ever imposed on a people along with all the other negatives inherent in that including putting some of America's sovereignty under international control? Do you approve policies that ignore trillians of dollars of deficits in an effort to 'spend ourselves rich'?
The Tea Partiers seem to be switching their emphasis from an completely independent focus--one that would have insured Democrat majorities for decades more--to reforming the GOP which is our best chance to get around an Administration and Congress that is deaf to our concerns and stop this disastrous runaway train in its tracks.
However bad the GOP has been which has been very bad, they currently are guilty of promoting none of that stuff and currently are on record as opposing it all. We cannot possibly be worse off though I hope we are replacing liberal democrats with true conservatives in the process.
What did you hear from the Tea Partiers that you didn't like?
What did I hear from the Tea Party protester that I didn't like?
The link I saw was the one provided by JBeukema of Mark Lloyd. JB said it contained an implied threat. I listened to the 10 minute speech and it was difficult not to agree with JB. Mark Lloyd said he prayed that it would not get to the point of violence and that if the issue wasn't solved by the ballot box a bullet would be the next step (paraphrased). I'd like to think that he was truthfully praying that it would not go that far and that he really feared that some "jackass" might do something stupid. But, quite frankly, I can't convince myself thinking of his tone of voice, that I am correct on that.
What have I heard from the Tea Party protesters elsewhere that I don't like? That is easy... Defeat Obama and elect all Republicans because they are going to save the country. Sorry, Republicans are not quite as bad as Democrats when it comes to throwing money into black hole social programs, but Democrats are not quite as bad as Republicans when it comes to the removal of civil liberties. I don't like either idea very much.
Do I believe the Obama Administration has been good for America? No, but so far he's been better than the latter years of Bush.
I am absolutely against the increasing take over of American Enterprise. But, I don't believe things are going to be all that much different with the next Republican administration.
In re the demonizing of those who oppose the Obama Administration. Those who oppose the administration are my brothers. We're Americans. It pisses me off to have the administration demonize them, but there wasn't much difference when the shoe was on the other foot, and guess what, liberal Americans are my brothers too and I don't much appreciate them being demonized either.
I'm not going to go through each of your questions, but to keep this post short, I don't approve of the Obama Administration, but I am not convinced that a Republican administration would be all that different.
Immie
I respect your opinion however much I disagree with some of it.
I can think of absolutely NO civil liberties that were revoked by the Bush Administration except for the Patriot Act which was a team effort. (It passed the House 357 to 66 and passed the Senate 98 to 1 which is as bipartisan as you're going to get in Washington these days.) Over the years it has been revised and amended to remove some of the more objectionable provisions, but otherwise it enabled our government to fulfill its constitutionally mandated responsibility to provide for the national defense and protect us from enemies inside and outside the USA. The current version has been reaffirmed by a Democratically controlled Congress and a Democrat President who have made no move to rescind any part of it.
And as bad as they were and sometimes are, I simply cannot believe that President Bush and the vast majority of the Republicans now in Congress, even if they had been the party in power, would be taking us down the road to Marxist socialism we are currently on.
I do agree with one pundit (and you) who recently quipped that it isn't good enough to simply not suck as bad as the other side sucks.
But right now the water is heating up and will be boiling soon. If the frog doesn't jump out soon, it could be too late.
What did I hear from the Tea Party protester that I didn't like?
The link I saw was the one provided by JBeukema of Mark Lloyd. JB said it contained an implied threat. I listened to the 10 minute speech and it was difficult not to agree with JB. Mark Lloyd said he prayed that it would not get to the point of violence and that if the issue wasn't solved by the ballot box a bullet would be the next step (paraphrased). I'd like to think that he was truthfully praying that it would not go that far and that he really feared that some "jackass" might do something stupid. But, quite frankly, I can't convince myself thinking of his tone of voice, that I am correct on that.
What have I heard from the Tea Party protesters elsewhere that I don't like? That is easy... Defeat Obama and elect all Republicans because they are going to save the country. Sorry, Republicans are not quite as bad as Democrats when it comes to throwing money into black hole social programs, but Democrats are not quite as bad as Republicans when it comes to the removal of civil liberties. I don't like either idea very much.
Do I believe the Obama Administration has been good for America? No, but so far he's been better than the latter years of Bush.
I am absolutely against the increasing take over of American Enterprise. But, I don't believe things are going to be all that much different with the next Republican administration.
In re the demonizing of those who oppose the Obama Administration. Those who oppose the administration are my brothers. We're Americans. It pisses me off to have the administration demonize them, but there wasn't much difference when the shoe was on the other foot, and guess what, liberal Americans are my brothers too and I don't much appreciate them being demonized either.
I'm not going to go through each of your questions, but to keep this post short, I don't approve of the Obama Administration, but I am not convinced that a Republican administration would be all that different.
Immie
I respect your opinion however much I disagree with some of it.
I can think of absolutely NO civil liberties that were revoked by the Bush Administration except for the Patriot Act which was a team effort. (It passed the House 357 to 66 and passed the Senate 98 to 1 which is as bipartisan as you're going to get in Washington these days.) Over the years it has been revised and amended to remove some of the more objectionable provisions, but otherwise it enabled our government to fulfill its constitutionally mandated responsibility to provide for the national defense and protect us from enemies inside and outside the USA. The current version has been reaffirmed by a Democratically controlled Congress and a Democrat President who have made no move to rescind any part of it.
And as bad as they were and sometimes are, I simply cannot believe that President Bush and the vast majority of the Republicans now in Congress, even if they had been the party in power, would be taking us down the road to Marxist socialism we are currently on.
I do agree with one pundit (and you) who recently quipped that it isn't good enough to simply not suck as bad as the other side sucks.
But right now the water is heating up and will be boiling soon. If the frog doesn't jump out soon, it could be too late.
I am okay with you guys disagreeing with me. If I wasn't I would not put myself through the agony of coming to these sites so often.
In fact, I enjoy the disagreements when they are discussed pleasantly.
When I think of the civil liberties threatened (not removed but threatened) by the Republicans, I think first and foremost of the Patriot Act followed by the NSA Wiretapping. Then I also think of President Bush's attempt to turn American citizens against each other when he asked us to be vigilant and to turn our neighbors in if they appeared suspicious in any way. I've always felt that it was our duty to report crimes, but that was an attempt to scare us all into thinking our neighbors were all terrorists. I also think about the torture scandal. I realize that no American citizens were tortured, but I am not thrilled with the idea of torturing "suspected" terrorists... meaning not convicted. I know that puts me at odds with the vast majority of the people on whose side I place my trust, but I simply am not comfortable with the idea of torturing people especially those who have not been tried let alone convicted for or of any crime. We are simply too close to the possibility of accepting torture of suspected bank robbers or shoplifters.
I'm afraid the Obama Administration is helping to put us so deep in a hole that we will never dig our way out, but I am fairly certain that a Republican Administration especially a Republican Presidential Administration in cohorts with a Republican Congress would be just as bad as what we have today spending wise.
Tea Party Protesters seem to think that Republicans are the best things since sliced bread and I don't happen to agree with them.
Immie
I respect your opinion however much I disagree with some of it.
I can think of absolutely NO civil liberties that were revoked by the Bush Administration except for the Patriot Act which was a team effort. (It passed the House 357 to 66 and passed the Senate 98 to 1 which is as bipartisan as you're going to get in Washington these days.) Over the years it has been revised and amended to remove some of the more objectionable provisions, but otherwise it enabled our government to fulfill its constitutionally mandated responsibility to provide for the national defense and protect us from enemies inside and outside the USA. The current version has been reaffirmed by a Democratically controlled Congress and a Democrat President who have made no move to rescind any part of it.
And as bad as they were and sometimes are, I simply cannot believe that President Bush and the vast majority of the Republicans now in Congress, even if they had been the party in power, would be taking us down the road to Marxist socialism we are currently on.
I do agree with one pundit (and you) who recently quipped that it isn't good enough to simply not suck as bad as the other side sucks.
But right now the water is heating up and will be boiling soon. If the frog doesn't jump out soon, it could be too late.
I am okay with you guys disagreeing with me. If I wasn't I would not put myself through the agony of coming to these sites so often.
In fact, I enjoy the disagreements when they are discussed pleasantly.
When I think of the civil liberties threatened (not removed but threatened) by the Republicans, I think first and foremost of the Patriot Act followed by the NSA Wiretapping. Then I also think of President Bush's attempt to turn American citizens against each other when he asked us to be vigilant and to turn our neighbors in if they appeared suspicious in any way. I've always felt that it was our duty to report crimes, but that was an attempt to scare us all into thinking our neighbors were all terrorists. I also think about the torture scandal. I realize that no American citizens were tortured, but I am not thrilled with the idea of torturing "suspected" terrorists... meaning not convicted. I know that puts me at odds with the vast majority of the people on whose side I place my trust, but I simply am not comfortable with the idea of torturing people especially those who have not been tried let alone convicted for or of any crime. We are simply too close to the possibility of accepting torture of suspected bank robbers or shoplifters.
I'm afraid the Obama Administration is helping to put us so deep in a hole that we will never dig our way out, but I am fairly certain that a Republican Administration especially a Republican Presidential Administration in cohorts with a Republican Congress would be just as bad as what we have today spending wise.
Tea Party Protesters seem to think that Republicans are the best things since sliced bread and I don't happen to agree with them.
Immie
As for the points you made re civil liberties, I don't guess it matters to you that all those issues had full bipartisan support during a time of crisis and I think you are exaggerating on all fronts. But you probably won't be persuaded by my opinion, and that's okay.
As for the GOP being as bad as the Obama Administration and the Pelosi Congress have been in irresponsible spending and mismanagement of the economy, there's no way in hell. They were irresponsible, yes, and lost their way there for awhile, but no true Republican I've ever met would condone what is happening now.
And as for the Tea Partiers thinking Republicans are the best thing since sliced bread, you really REALLY have not spent any time looking at what the Tea Partiers, Tax Protest groups, 9/12ers etc. have you? You've probably looked a few You Tube clips selectively furnished to you by somebody on the left and took the bait.
The Tea Partiers have been furious with the GOP and have trounced them royally. The only involvement the Tea Partiers have with the GOP is to welcome any Republicans who embrace the Tea Party initiatives, and of late they have (thank God) given up on trying to organize an independent effort and are mostly working to reform the GOP in advance of the 2010 election as the only hope we have of stopping this runaway train.
The Tea Partiers of of pretty much one mind, though, that it is no longer acceptable to simply not suck as much as the other side sucks.
Having said that, I think you're the cat's pajamas or bees knees Immie, and you don't have to agree with me to be adorable.
They were irresponsible, yes, and lost their way there for awhile, but no true Republican I've ever met would condone what is happening now.
Has there ever been a more smug, condescending, full-of-himself son of a total freaking BITCH in the White House as this fuckehead is?
I really can't think of the likes of him who was not a banana republic thug.
Is it just me?
Has there ever been a more smug, condescending, full-of-himself son of a total freaking BITCH in the White House as this fuckehead is?
I really can't think of the likes of him who was not a banana republic thug.
Is it just me?
One of the most conservative members of Congress says President Obama must be completely out of touch with reality for making light of the recent Tea Party gatherings around the country.
President Obama said during a Democratic fundraiser in Miami that he was "amused" by anti-tax Tea Party rallies that took place prior to and on Tax Day (April 15). The president told the gathering that he has cut taxes, contrary to the claims of the protestors, and he commented, "You would think they'd be saying 'thank you.'"
Congressman Steve King (R-Iowa) attended two Tea Party rallies in Washington, DC, on April 15, and he contends the president's comments are amusing.
"The president has to be completely out of touch with America if he's amused by what's going on here," King argues. "We are not amused by what he is doing. [For] the President of the United States to be amused and to say that we all ought to say 'thank you' for what he's done to our economy in this country, the best way to respond to that, I guess, is to laugh."
The congressman wonders if the president will be amused by the results of the upcoming mid-term elections.
Obama 'amused' by Tea Parties (OneNewsNow.com)
One of the most conservative members of Congress says President Obama must be completely out of touch with reality for making light of the recent Tea Party gatherings around the country.
President Obama said during a Democratic fundraiser in Miami that he was "amused" by anti-tax Tea Party rallies that took place prior to and on Tax Day (April 15). The president told the gathering that he has cut taxes, contrary to the claims of the protestors, and he commented, "You would think they'd be saying 'thank you.'"
Congressman Steve King (R-Iowa) attended two Tea Party rallies in Washington, DC, on April 15, and he contends the president's comments are amusing.
"The president has to be completely out of touch with America if he's amused by what's going on here," King argues. "We are not amused by what he is doing. [For] the President of the United States to be amused and to say that we all ought to say 'thank you' for what he's done to our economy in this country, the best way to respond to that, I guess, is to laugh."
The congressman wonders if the president will be amused by the results of the upcoming mid-term elections.
Obama 'amused' by Tea Parties (OneNewsNow.com)
I do find one thing about them quite amusing.
The people who'd previously so hated people with the balls to open protest against government are finally learning just how difficult it is to deal with government gone rogue.
It's a lesson that both pattriotic Americans with liberal AND conservative dispositions needed to learn.
Of course when the TEAPARTY participants get gassed and clubbed by the cops,, THEN the lesson will be complete.
Until that time, as long as the cops aren't being given liberty to attack thej teaparty players like they were given liberty to do agains the antiqwar and civl rights protestors, then the EDUCATION of the consevatives has YET to be completed.