Obama advisors seek rationed medical care

A family of 4 with an income under $62k per year or 400% of poverty will receive free insurance from the exchange on a sliding scale.

Health insurance in the exchanges is not free. If that family is at three or four hundred percent FPL, it needs to spend at least 9.5% of household income on premiums before any premium assistance tax credit kicks in. The sliding scale you refer to is the threshold (percentage of household income) that the household has to spend before getting any assistance. Everyone in the exchange will be paying something.

When Seniors discover Medicare is going to be slashed to the tune of $500 billion to pay for Obama care, they will be marching on Washington with pitchforks in hand.

HealthBeatBlog reiterates this week: Health Beat: You Heard It Here First: Medicare Spending Slows

And all without slashing benefits (I hope Paul Ryan is taking notes).
Umm. You left out the part about the subsidies available for those income levels. Nice try though.
Without a doubt, there will be lots of strings attached to Obamacare. There will be lifestyle restrictions.
 
the goal of business is profit

I agree.

A private company's business policies are a societal issue? Really? In socialist societies, maybe.

No. Health care is a societal issue.

56 is not old....Shit I play ice hockey , softball and golf with guys older than 56..I just hit 50!...
Lace 'em up!

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Younger people don't always agree. :)

Society has ZERO to do with it.
The rub of the green is this: The democrats have turned the debate over health insurance into a debate on whether the government should create another social program.

The issue is how people can get health care. Because they are humans, with bodies, and bodies need health care.

Only a flaming lefty would label business as a societal issue. Please....

I'm not labeling business as a societal issue. I'm calling health care a societal issue.
 
Health care in general might be. The conduct of specific businesses and business segments is not.

Most of us get our health care by having health insurance. Otherwise, most of us would be impoverished by meeting some very ordinary crises.

There are some folks who don't have health insurance at work, or who have preexisting conditions, or who work and don't qualify for Medicaid.

So what are they supposed to do? Suck it up and die?
 
the goal of business is profit

I agree.

A private company's business policies are a societal issue? Really? In socialist societies, maybe.

No. Health care is a societal issue.



:up:

Younger people don't always agree. :)

Society has ZERO to do with it.
The rub of the green is this: The democrats have turned the debate over health insurance into a debate on whether the government should create another social program.

The issue is how people can get health care. Because they are humans, with bodies, and bodies need health care.

Only a flaming lefty would label business as a societal issue. Please....

I'm not labeling business as a societal issue. I'm calling health care a societal issue.
I find it interesting to the point of distraction how the Left has transposed the terms "health insurance" and "health care"..
These are two entirely different things.
ANYONE can receive health care or more accurately medical care. All they need is to find the closest public hospital or urgent care center and medical care is guaranteed by law.
Any working earning person can buy health insurance. Many choose to decline because of different factors. Some do not believe in the use of insurance. Some believe it is too costly. Some think they just do not need it. While others know they should have it can afford it believe they can wait until they need insurance.
For this, we are going to be expected to settle for more expensive insurance and receive lesser access to medical care.
 
I have yet to come across a doctor that did NOT cut prices for cash patients. It isn't a discount price, it's that so many people do not feel they have to pay at all. My gynocologist has a flat $50.00 fee for office visits. If pressed, I can split that into two payments.
Perfect example..
I used to live in the South Carolina Low Country..
Our local paper ran a story on medical care and price.
Here's the short version.
An elderly couple arrives at the hospital. One spouse has chest pains. The patient is admitted immediately as the attending saw a potential emergency.
Meanwhile, the admitting nurse took the required info. The non patient forgot to mention what type of insurance. The Hospital handed them a bill for about $190....The spouse went back and told the admitting nurse that they were insured. A new bill was made.....For THREE TIMES the original bill!
 
Health care in general might be. The conduct of specific businesses and business segments is not.

Most of us get our health care by having health insurance. Otherwise, most of us would be impoverished by meeting some very ordinary crises.

There are some folks who don't have health insurance at work, or who have preexisting conditions, or who work and don't qualify for Medicaid.

So what are they supposed to do? Suck it up and die?
Yeah.....:boohoo:
 
Health care in general might be. The conduct of specific businesses and business segments is not.

Most of us get our health care by having health insurance. Otherwise, most of us would be impoverished by meeting some very ordinary crises.

There are some folks who don't have health insurance at work, or who have preexisting conditions, or who work and don't qualify for Medicaid.

So what are they supposed to do? Suck it up and die?
Yeah.....:boohoo:

Sorry. The general public disagrees. STBY.
 
Health care in general might be. The conduct of specific businesses and business segments is not.

Most of us get our health care by having health insurance. Otherwise, most of us would be impoverished by meeting some very ordinary crises.

There are some folks who don't have health insurance at work, or who have preexisting conditions, or who work and don't qualify for Medicaid.

So what are they supposed to do? Suck it up and die?
Yeah.....:boohoo:

That is actually EXACTLY the problem. Most people have coverage that will cover even doctor's visits. They could easily pay $50 for a visit, but with copay it is more like 10. So they're off to the doctor with a virus because hey, it's only 10 bucks. This uses up a huge amount of resources. If they had medical insurance accounts with high deductible policies we would pretty much solve this issue. Of course obamacare has made those illegal.
 
If they had medical insurance accounts with high deductible policies we would pretty much solve this issue. Of course obamacare has made those illegal.

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Since Newt Gingrich has a history of supporting the "individual mandate", maybe a President Gingrich would give us a "single-payer" system - like Medicare for all. Gooo Newt.
another non sequitur...
You lefties are really lost on this deal.
What's the matter. Your favorite lefty blog hasn't come up with a talking point for you to use in response ?
You mean....to counter the Lies from.....


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I've just read the first link that you provided. Now I will read the second. But I find myself wondering: Is it simply the elderly that the potential rationing pertains to, or is it this type of issue that is a DAILY occurence in ER's?

This video is humorous and some of it is a bit exaggerated; but it is fundamentally true. There is a HUGE problem with opiate abuse in this country right now. Take the time to watch this ridiculous video, and get a feel for what nurses encounter on a daily basis:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqHXh4FBKWU&feature=related]Admitting a drug seeking patient - YouTube[/ame]
 
Meningitis: Symptoms - MayoClinic.com

It's easy to mistake the early signs and symptoms of meningitis for the flu (influenza).

Bacterial meningitis is serious, can come on very quickly and requires prompt antibiotic treatment to improve the chances of a recovery without serious complications. Delaying treatment for bacterial meningitis increases the risk of permanent brain damage or death. In addition, bacterial meningitis can prove fatal in a matter of days.

If you ever see anyone die from this horrible infection (meningococcal meningitis), it will haunt you.

So while this might be seen as somewhat straw man, I did see a mother wait too late to take her 16 year old son to the ER, when he had simple flu-like symptoms. By the time he arrived at the ER, he was convulsing, and had to be intubated and airlifted to a hospital where he could receive more definitive care. He died a few hours later.

This awareness has prompted many people to either seek medical attention for themselves, or their children...even if the problem was nothing more than norovirus.

But yes; the health insurance reform, needs to be reformed again.
 

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