NY Gay Marriage Baggage

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  1. Intense
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    Where do we draw the line between Church and State? Individual Conscience and the will of the State backed by mandate. What does the State have the Right to Force You to participate in, where, how, and why is that line drawn in the sand?

    Let's distinguish between Gay Coupling or Marriage Rights, and their desire to force others to participate against their will and conscience, by mandate. Why exactly can't we have one without the other? Is it that your Ethics are okay, because you are special, but mine are not? ;)
    It is right for you to impose your will on me because......
     
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    I have never understood what the big deal was with "gay marriage". Gays can not marry. Marriage is a religious institution.

    When me and my wife got married we entered into a civil union based on the states definition and a marriage before God. Let the gays have civil unions so they can share each others health insurance etc. Most states recognize couples living together as being financially linked.

    But they will never be married. God does not approve and no matter how many chruches reject what the bible plainly says they can not be married.
     
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    because; they have the police, guns and tax authority. ;)
     
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    Totalitarian Wet Dream Syndrome, Exactly! :) :lol:
     
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    Seriously, this reasoning will polarize, big time. I guess in one way there is good in it. Catholics and Muslims will be in the same camp here. Personally, I'm into Individual Liberty, without forcing others to act against their will or conscience here.
     
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    I doubt that same-sex unions can have much effect on marriage as a social institution. We live, to the extent the law allows, in a free society; and so one should be free to be miserable as one chooses, whether with a partner of the same sex or the opposite.
     
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    I was being flip, I agree with you. but the gov. will make a case that since they alone can hand out marriage license's and 'control' who can perform marriages they can then dictate who has to marry who...I think thats detrimental in this case, but hey, see my previous answer.
     
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    Because I'm Catholic, marriage is a union before God. It has nothing to do with the state or anyone else. I have no issue with gays having an authorized union - and be entitled to whatever rights, duties and privileges go with that. What they cannot have is a Catholic Marriage because the Catholic Church does not recognize gay unions. That isn't to say we are homophobic, we aren't. But, to Catholics, marriage is defined as 'the coming together of one man and one woman for the procreation of children, mutual comfort, blah blah blah.... key phrase: procreation of children.
     
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    Why does anyone want the state involved in marriage in the first place? Get the government out of marriage completely and problem solved.
     
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    Or by imposed law to correct any social injustice, real or imagined.
     
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