NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

[dilloduck]

If you mean Hillary...um,no...was Bush and Congress, but then they decided not to fund it.



What medicare reform? And yeah...sucks helping old people.



No...not funding alternative energy is why we're in the predicament we're in. We never had to trash the environment to get rid of our dependence on foreign oil. But you're buying into the gifts the admin keeps giving the oil companies.



War in Iraq is NOT equal to the WOT. And it was supported based on disinformation. Wonder how much support the admin would have gotten if it told America that *this* was their agenda. (Oh...and please note the signatories to the letter).

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Irag may not started out to be what you consider to be WOT but is sure as hell is now.

 

[insein]

Irag may not started out to be what you consider to be WOT but is sure as hell is now.

(in response to Jillian more than dillo)

Iraq has been and still is part of the WOT. Saddam had connections to Al Queda and Bin Laden as well as other known terrorist organizations prior to 9/11 and post 9/11. Post 9/11 Bush made the statement that any nation harboring or supporting terrorists is an enemy of the US. Iraq was one of those nations as well as Afghanistan. Thus Iraq is part of the WOT.

 

[007]

If you mean Hillary...um,no...was Bush and Congress, but then they decided not to fund it.

What in the hell are you saying here?

What medicare reform? And yeah...sucks helping old people.

What ever happened to "take care of yourself"? What do you think this is... Russia? Stop thinking like a communist, and get your head out of hitlery's ass.

No...not funding alternative energy is why we're in the predicament we're in. We never had to trash the environment to get rid of our dependence on foreign oil. But you're buying into the gifts the admin keeps giving the oil companies.

Bullshit. You stinking tree hugging liberals are DIRECTLY to blame for quite a bit of the pinch we're in right now. You've opposed EVERY SINGLE MEASSURE to EXPLORE, DRILL, OR BUILD NEW REFINERIES! Alternative energy has got nothing to do with it.

War in Iraq is NOT equal to the WOT. And it was supported based on disinformation. Wonder how much support the admin would have gotten if it told America that *this* was their agenda. (Oh...and please note the signatories to the letter).

You're just plain off your damn rocker here. You're talking like an absolute imbicile.

I usually don't expect much from liberals in the way of MAKING SENSE, and you certainly keep showing me why.

 

[Avatar4321]

(in response to Jillian more than dillo)

Iraq has been and still is part of the WOT. Saddam had connections to Al Queda and Bin Laden as well as other known terrorist organizations prior to 9/11 and post 9/11. Post 9/11 Bush made the statement that any nation harboring or supporting terrorists is an enemy of the US. Iraq was one of those nations as well as Afghanistan. Thus Iraq is part of the WOT.

Which is completely obvious if you read Resolution 1441 which mentions Iraqs support of terrorism as one of the reasons they were in breach.

 

[Avatar4321]

BTW, It never ceases to amaze me how Democrats attack the No Child Left Behind act. I mean Hello?! Ted Kennedy wrote the act. If it sucks there is only one person to blame. Teddy. But then even Teddy has been blaming the President for such a bad act.

If the President screwed anything up in the Education Bill, it was allowing Teddy to gut his proposals and put rewrite it with his own.

 

[Diuretic]

(in response to Jillian more than dillo)

Iraq has been and still is part of the WOT. Saddam had connections to Al Queda and Bin Laden as well as other known terrorist organizations prior to 9/11 and post 9/11. Post 9/11 Bush made the statement that any nation harboring or supporting terrorists is an enemy of the US. Iraq was one of those nations as well as Afghanistan. Thus Iraq is part of the WOT.

Rubbish. Cite your evidence for connections between Saddam and AQ.

 

[Diuretic]

Which is completely obvious if you read Resolution 1441 which mentions Iraqs support of terrorism as one of the reasons they were in breach.

Resolution 1441 of the Security Council?

 

[Diuretic]

Rubbish. Cite your evidence for connections between Saddam and AQ.

I got a red on this from Pale Rider. I am an idiot apparently. There was plenty of evidence.

If there's plenty of evidence it should be easy to produce

 

[Diuretic]

Still waiting.........*crickets chirping*.....*a dog howls at the moon*............*tumbleweed blowing down the main street*

"Outside in the distance a wildcat it did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl."

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

Well...

Abid Al-Karim Muhamed Aswod was an Iraqi intelligence officer in charge of coordinating activities with a bin Laden group in Pakistan. I'm quite sure "activities" did not include shuffle board and dominos.

Jessica Stern, a Clinton administration security official, wrote in a report that one of Saddam's intelligence operatives tried to contact bin Laden in Afghanistan as early as 1998.

Then there are the training camps in Iraq, which were not exclusively al Qaeda, but did draw from al Qaeda, particularly a group out of Algeria.

That's all I can come up with for the moment. You just have to remember that The New York Times won't run that kind of information on the front page for a month straight, if at all. You actually have to pay attention because it won't be crammed down your throat like when panties are put on a prisoners head.

***Oh, and just to throw it out there, there is the rather interesting mural that was found in Iraq. (See the avatar)

 

[CivilLiberty]

so you would take another 9/11 hit instead?

Dillo, this is another of your odd leaps of logic.

Infringing constitutional RIGHTS does not equate to fostering "another 9/11", nor does a database of American's phone calls PREVENT another 9/11.

Police states are not immune to terrorism, and the notion that giving up our constitutional rights will secure our nation is utterly flawed and without merit.


CL

 

[Mr. P]

Damn Andy! Where the hell ya been?
Nice to see ya back.

 

[dilloduck]

Dillo, this is another of your odd leaps of logic.

Infringing constitutional RIGHTS does not equate to fostering "another 9/11", nor does a database of American's phone calls PREVENT another 9/11.

Police states are not immune to terrorism, and the notion that giving up our constitutional rights will secure our nation is utterly flawed and without merit.


CL

well hey----any Any ACLU member outta be able to recognize an odd leap of logic when they see one. Is this right to privacy similar to a womans right to an abortion?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Bullshit. You stinking tree hugging liberals are DIRECTLY to blame for quite a bit of the pinch we're in right now. You've opposed EVERY SINGLE MEASSURE to EXPLORE, DRILL, OR BUILD NEW REFINERIES! Alternative energy has got nothing to do with it.

Didn't you just post an article about how illegal aliens and the measures required to combat them are destroying the environment?

 

[dilloduck]

Data mining is an incredible tool when it comes to establishing communication history between people, groups, and countries. Do a search on NSA and Data-Mining and you will find many articles that go into detail about how this help the intelligence community.

The Mossad does much more than any of us realize. They only let you know what they want you to know. I think if it became public what kind of things the Mossad is involved in, and what they have done, people would be absolutely stunned.

If the U.S. government or military did half the things the Mossad did, data-mining would be small beans.

Oh give us hint---what does our allies intelligence do? Besides spy on America of course.