Now That Obama is President What Happened to the Anti War Movement?

Now That Obama is President What Happened to the Anti War Movement?

Ha! When Bush was in office it was "Bush is a War Criminal and we should pull out now". Now the Anti War crowd is ...... well ....... no where to be found. Thats despite the fact that Obama raised the number of troops in Afghanistan. I guess war was used as a way to attack Bush but now that Bush is no longer president there is no need march on washington? This shows you how dishonest the anti war movement was. War is only bad until a socialist is in office. It reminds me of the time the socialist/communist anti war organizations of WWII changed their mind about war overnight after the NAZI's invaded the USSR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_VHEts3fqk&feature=player_embedded

It is ironic that bush was such a unifier of people who's only common cause was thier undying hatred of bush and a select few of his cohorts (Rove, Cheney, Bolton). This spasmic orgasm of hatred brought groups together who really have very little in common. It brought communists and blue collar middle america trade unionists together, palestinian agitators and gay rights supporters together, anarchists and big government supporters together, and other combinations that leave your head scratching.

Once thier Emanuel Goldberg was gone the 8 year hate couldn't overcome the differences in poltical motivations that such a vast movement consisted of. What is left is the true hard core anti-war people, the anti-war (unless its against caplitalists, then in that case PEW PEW I'MA FIRIN MY LAZOR), and a few other fringe nutters.

It also brought together many families of grieving parents whose children were tricked into going to Iraq. Don't forget those.

Nice loaded statement there. How do you trick members of a voluenteer military into doing things the military is supposed to do?

And of those famlies you discuss, the most popular person of the group, Cindy Sheehan has been abandoned and left high and dry by those who held her on a pedestal. I wonder why?
 
Obama is getting us out of Iraq and a drawdown is on the way in Afghanistan.

The Iraqis are kicking us out of Iraq ..

Iraq Wants the U.S. Out
Prime Minister, in Interview, Says Troops Must Leave Next Year as Planned.
Iraqi Prime Minister Says U.S. Forces Must Leave On Time - WSJ.com

Get the fuck out

Oh yeah, and we're giving the oil contracts to the Chinese

China reaps benefits of Iraq war
Five oil project have been awarded to critic of invasion
China reaps benefits of Iraq war with oil deals - Business - Oil & energy - msnbc.com

And oh yeah you stupid fuck Americans .. we're building larger relationships with Iran

Iran Is Playing a Growing Role in Iraq Economy
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/17/world/middleeast/17iran.html

The mission in Afghanistan, whatever the fuck it was, has already failed

Nine years in Afghanistan with failed mission
Nine years in Afghanistan with failed mission | Opinion Maker

And while Obama waits on our Saigon momnet in Afghanistan .. he continues to murder innocent people

Civilian Casualties in Pakistan Ignored
Chris Rogers: Civilian Casualties Ignored in Pakistan

Some would call that "progress"

I wouldn't



"Mission Accomplished"

:0)

If the mission was to send bags of money to western energy companies .. it was indeed accomplished.

But the mission was also to secure pipeline routes and establish bases in Afghanistan ... just as the mission was to secure Iraqi oil.

Those missions have not been accomplished.
 
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To be fair, Afghanistan was supported. Iraq? Not so much. I take issue with Obama calling Afghanistan the "good" war, as if ANY such thing ever existed. That shit was craven politics at this point. So was Iraq at that point.

Can any of you imagine for a second what the unemployment stats would be if we pulled everyone back home?

There are other political considerations involved, having to do with perception and domestic spending; government is given the benefit of the doubt more in all areas when we consider ourselves "at war" and "strong" and when people see the government as "protecting" them.
 
To be fair, Afghanistan was supported. Iraq? Not so much. I take issue with Obama calling Afghanistan the "good" war, as if ANY such thing ever existed. That shit was craven politics at this point. So was Iraq at that point.

Can any of you imagine for a second what the unemployment stats would be if we pulled everyone back home?

There are other political considerations involved, having to do with perception and domestic spending; government is given the benefit of the doubt more in all areas when we consider ourselves "at war" and "strong" and when people see the government as "protecting" them.

Well Afghanistan is considered good because the people who planned 9/11 trained and planned the attacks there, thats why we went there. Iraq we invaded for god knows what reasons.
 
I don't remember a big anti-Afghanistan campaign-does anyone else? It was mainly about Iraq-which Obama has been taking us out of. There's a big difference between the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, no evidence has proven to be linked towards it-even the Bush administration has now said this. They weren't even a Muslim country (they were a Secular nation).

And Obama wasn't anti-Afghanistan. Remember when he said he'd go into Pakistan to get the Taliban if he had to?
 
To be fair, Afghanistan was supported. Iraq? Not so much. I take issue with Obama calling Afghanistan the "good" war, as if ANY such thing ever existed. That shit was craven politics at this point. So was Iraq at that point.

Can any of you imagine for a second what the unemployment stats would be if we pulled everyone back home?

There are other political considerations involved, having to do with perception and domestic spending; government is given the benefit of the doubt more in all areas when we consider ourselves "at war" and "strong" and when people see the government as "protecting" them.

So to keep our unemployment stats from going higher, and to maintain the illusion of "protecting" people, it is in our political interest to invade small and stone-age countries and mass-murder its people.

You missed one other small thing ..

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Gotta justify that madness.
 
I don't remember a big anti-Afghanistan campaign-does anyone else? It was mainly about Iraq-which Obama has been taking us out of. There's a big difference between the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, no evidence has proven to be linked towards it-even the Bush administration has now said this. They weren't even a Muslim country (they were a Secular nation).And Obama wasn't anti-Afghanistan. Remember when he said he'd go into Pakistan to get the Taliban if he had to?

You are spot on about everything except this, Iraq wasn't an Islamic theocracy like Iran but Islam was the official state religion, every country in the Middle East besides Israel has Islam as their state religion.
 
Same thing that happened to all the conservatives who worried about the deficit and less freedom when Bush was in charge - they rolled over without a peep.

I love it when I make an arguement and someone dismisses it not by commenting on the subject but by an attempt to invoke a moral equivelancy. No matter what the case Democrats always spend more than Republicans. While Republicans were known for their big spending Democrats own that territory and then some. Though I do fear by responding to your attempt at moral equivelancy I am allowing you to do what you came here for. To hyjack the thread with a nonrelated comment.
 
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I don't remember a big anti-Afghanistan campaign-does anyone else? It was mainly about Iraq-which Obama has been taking us out of. There's a big difference between the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, no evidence has proven to be linked towards it-even the Bush administration has now said this. They weren't even a Muslim country (they were a Secular nation).

And Obama wasn't anti-Afghanistan. Remember when he said he'd go into Pakistan to get the Taliban if he had to?

What are YOU doing about Afghanistan? An Open Letter to Anti-War Activists
April 8, 2004
What are YOU doing about Afghanistan? An Open Letter to Anti-War Activists

For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all
For the Left, war without Bush is not war at all | Byron York | Politics | Washington Examiner
 
I don't remember a big anti-Afghanistan campaign-does anyone else? It was mainly about Iraq-which Obama has been taking us out of. There's a big difference between the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, no evidence has proven to be linked towards it-even the Bush administration has now said this. They weren't even a Muslim country (they were a Secular nation).

And Obama wasn't anti-Afghanistan. Remember when he said he'd go into Pakistan to get the Taliban if he had to?


Obama committed 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan and 9 days later accepted the Nobel Peace Prize.
War has become bi-partisan except for far-left fringe groups and libertarians. Unfortunately, their anti-war rhetoric gets mixed in with other political dialogue which ends up, as a result, dulling their antiwar message.
 
To be fair, Afghanistan was supported. Iraq? Not so much. I take issue with Obama calling Afghanistan the "good" war, as if ANY such thing ever existed. That shit was craven politics at this point. So was Iraq at that point.

Can any of you imagine for a second what the unemployment stats would be if we pulled everyone back home?

There are other political considerations involved, having to do with perception and domestic spending; government is given the benefit of the doubt more in all areas when we consider ourselves "at war" and "strong" and when people see the government as "protecting" them.

Well Afghanistan is considered good because the people who planned 9/11 trained and planned the attacks there, thats why we went there. Iraq we invaded for god knows what reasons.

Oh, come on, 9/11 was originally considered an international CRIME, and with all unseemly haste it was turned into a justification for WAR, a nebulous WAR, one without any recognizable end or definable objective. This was done for a reason. Thars GOLD in them thar hills, for certain folk, and justification for all manner of skull fuckery.
 
To be fair, Afghanistan was supported. Iraq? Not so much. I take issue with Obama calling Afghanistan the "good" war, as if ANY such thing ever existed. That shit was craven politics at this point. So was Iraq at that point.

Can any of you imagine for a second what the unemployment stats would be if we pulled everyone back home?

There are other political considerations involved, having to do with perception and domestic spending; government is given the benefit of the doubt more in all areas when we consider ourselves "at war" and "strong" and when people see the government as "protecting" them.

Well Afghanistan is considered good because the people who planned 9/11 trained and planned the attacks there, thats why we went there. Iraq we invaded for god knows what reasons.

Oh, come on, 9/11 was originally considered an international CRIME, and with all unseemly haste it was turned into a justification for WAR, a nebulous WAR, one without any recognizable end or definable objective. This was done for a reason. Thars GOLD in them thar hills, for certain folk, and justification for all manner of skull fuckery.

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good question. I suspect that there was more to it than the "war" itself...

take 10 and check it out....Reason TV....

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To be fair, Afghanistan was supported. Iraq? Not so much. I take issue with Obama calling Afghanistan the "good" war, as if ANY such thing ever existed. That shit was craven politics at this point. So was Iraq at that point.

Can any of you imagine for a second what the unemployment stats would be if we pulled everyone back home?

There are other political considerations involved, having to do with perception and domestic spending; government is given the benefit of the doubt more in all areas when we consider ourselves "at war" and "strong" and when people see the government as "protecting" them.

Well Afghanistan is considered good because the people who planned 9/11 trained and planned the attacks there, thats why we went there. Iraq we invaded for god knows what reasons.

Oh, come on, 9/11 was originally considered an international CRIME, and with all unseemly haste it was turned into a justification for WAR, a nebulous WAR, one without any recognizable end or definable objective. This was done for a reason. Thars GOLD in them thar hills, for certain folk, and justification for all manner of skull fuckery.

The hyjacking of the topic continues.
 
I don't remember a big anti-Afghanistan campaign-does anyone else? It was mainly about Iraq-which Obama has been taking us out of. There's a big difference between the Afghanistan war and the Iraq war.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, no evidence has proven to be linked towards it-even the Bush administration has now said this. They weren't even a Muslim country (they were a Secular nation).And Obama wasn't anti-Afghanistan. Remember when he said he'd go into Pakistan to get the Taliban if he had to?

You are spot on about everything except this, Iraq wasn't an Islamic theocracy like Iran but Islam was the official state religion, every country in the Middle East besides Israel has Islam as their state religion.

Under Hussein they were run as a Secular nation (officially). Wile they tolerated only some other religions, they didn't make women cover up fully in public for example, and other practices.

Anyways my point is they weren't the same as other nations in the middle east, and weren't anywhere near as strict with the religious aspects-and it even caused them to become a target of terrorism. This means that Al Qaeda, or the Taliban for example wouldn't have liked them very much-and wouldn't have cooperated with Hussein.
 
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