Now is the time for a true conservative to emerge as a Presidential candidate

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    George Bush has proven his ignorance and distain for true conservatism. He is so overwhelmed with the idea of WAR, national deficits, public education, social security entitlements, etc. that he either has forgotten or never believed in any of the tenements of TRUE "Conservatism". I could go on but for the purpose of this discussion I'll leave only the aforementioned as examples of his failures.

    Conservatives are never, until now, supportive of WAR. Even Richard Nixon won in 1968 due at least partly to his promise to "get us out of Viet Nam". Hubert Humphrey, the Dem candidate, promised the same but Americans were also desirous of a more fiscally responsible president and they elected the one that promised it, Richard M. Nixon.

    I've never known of a Republican President that embraces or even desires national deficits more than Georgie the Shrub. His "trifecta" is something to only amaze us. His handling of it amazes me even more. Pitiful is about the only adjective I can think of. I love my children and grandchildren. Leaving a debt for them to repay in war or taxes is not my idea of responsible government or TRUE conservatism.

    Social Security is a program developed and perfected in the '30's by an extraordinally intelligent Democratic President. Even now it produces surpluses, as it was designed to do, and without interference guarantees subsistence for our retired, disabled and otherwise destitute peoples and has done so satisfactorily for over 7 decades now. Radicals like to ridicle it. Us Democrats with long memories recognise it's value and success. Even TRUE conservatives benefit and vote for it's preservation. Even UNTRUE conservatives benefit as well and shortsightedly vote against thier own advantages. Feel the pity?

    It was recognised a few hundred years ago that the American access to education would be our key to success and possibly our dominance in the worldwide marketplace. It sure as hell worked for a good hundred years or so. I guess Georgie forgot. His "No Child Left Behind" program is a mockery, in my opinion, of truly publically available education and entices only the truly profitteers of the industry. Ted Kennedy is ashamed of it's implementation and has renounced his original support. True conservatives have done the same.

    I realize fully that we have a few "TRUE CONSERVATIVES" that frequent this board. I'd like to hear from a few, at least, of you.
     
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    Psycho my friend! Hey what brand are we drinking tonight? I'm drinking ouzo 12.
     
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    Don't misspell my name again, sir Evil. I'll castrate you for much less an infraction of our friendship. It's quite simply "Psycho" or even the expanded "Psychoblues". "Psyco" is just too abreviated for me to dig, are you getting my drift?

    Haw, haw, good to see you again, Sir Evil. It's a jamm and I'm glad to see you participate. But other than the accolades I failed to see any discussion? What gives?
     
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    Don't do a Republican Nader and help the Democrats win by pulling votes from Bush and splitting the Republican ticket. There are many things that I don't like about Bush but I'd rather have him win than Kerry.
     
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    Maybe you're a TRUE conservative and maybe you're not, matt. I won't make that call but I will say that any support of GWB leaves me in great doubt as to your patriotism and knowledge of American values and political manipulation. Tell OCA that I'm drinkin' Busch. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Funny, I take liberal advice on being a conservative about as much as i take midol. I dont. Haha

    This is about as bad as those guy rights groups that have been advertising on the radio how its wrong to ammend the constitution to protect the institution of marriage because its not conservative. When in the heck did you people become experts on being conservatives? Its the libs who want to change the Constitution and they try to change it through the courts. we do it the constitutional way.
     
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    I'm not a "true conservative". I'm a moderate libertarian. In local elections, when I can, I vote in favor of libertarian policies, but in major candidate elections I vote Republican. It may be a compromise and it may be pragmatic. Yet, do you want Kerry to win?
     
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    No REAL prob with me, Sir Evil, but I disagree to a very large extent. Bush advertised himself as what many would recognise as a "true conservative". His actions prove differently. My point is only to point that out and I think his actions are important, historical and very much meaningful towards worldwide opinion towards the USA. I speak as a patriot and nothing further. Maybe we can get political later on in this conversation, OK?
     
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    Hey Psycho lets talk Social Security which you brought up. Do you think the mere pittance that you get from Social Security will be enough to survive on in my generation?(i'm 37) At its current rate of growth which usually ranges between .5% to 1% no one without some sort of personal pension or personal savings will be able to survive on that what with the curren raises in prices on everyday neccessities across the board.

    Why not let me make the decision to take the money out of my paycheck and put it into an account of my own choosing that would earn a significantly higher tax rate. What could be wrong with that?

    I'll answer for ya, because politicians on both sides of the aisle want that money to continue to flow into S.S. so they can use it as sort of a slush fund for whatever pet project they can't find money for. "Oh we can just borrow from S.S. and then pay it back", well it never gets paid back. Let me choose what I want to do with the money that I earn, not the government. And if I fuck up and don't put any aside well i'll have nobody to blame but myself.
     
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    OK, matt. You're an Ayn Rand type with little care or knowledge of reality or history. Good for you. Vote for whomever you wish, it's your right.
     

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