Now a question for all of you

[Dawoud]

The sad thing is
that the administration didn't just admit that this guy has said some very inappropriate things and let the issue die. By standing behind him, they truly show the strong religious bias of the current administration.

Personal views are that. But, as a general and senior official, he should not be speaking publicly about such things, even if he believes them.

Our country was founded on the principle religious freedom and tolerance. The Christians and others were persecuted around the world and came to the US for asylum.

Successful countries keep religion out of government and military. The founders of our country knew this and put a lot of work into ensuring this. Unfortunately, some of these protections are slipping away, mostly in the last few years.

The white house cannot (necessarily) prevent generals and staff from saying (or worse yet believing) stupid things, but it can penalize them.

This hints that the truly SCARY thing is that Christian zealots may in fact be running our country and have possibly already started a war in the name of revenge and (thinly veiled) religion. I had once suspected that the Iraq wars were over oil, but that may not be the whole picture.

I love this country, and I only hope that its course (and leadership) will change before things get any worse.

Something to think about:
If Christianity were in fact the only true religion, then god would have to be evil, since the majority of humans in history would be condemned to hell.

 

[jimnyc]

truly disgusting!

"II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will... "

"IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them."

"IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness ...confine them until death claims them."

"XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies... "

Read more about these filthy people here:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html

 

[Dawoud]

BY DAN MIHALOPOULOS
Chicago Tribune

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - A federal prison worker admitted that he verbally abused a Muslim inmate, "ordering him to remove his shirt so that the officer could use it to shine his shoes."

An immigration official allegedly asked a man if he "wanted to kill Christians and Jews."

A prison doctor told an inmate, "If I was in charge, I would execute every one of you … because of the crimes you all did."

These incidents were among 34 "credible" cases of civil rights violations by Justice Department employees, largely against Arabs and Muslims, according to a report released Monday by department investigators.

The complaints cited by the Justice Department's inspector general ranged from illegal searches of homes by FBI agents to beatings of inmates at the hands of federal jail officers.

The inspector general is also investigating claims that an officer at an immigrant detention facility "held a loaded gun to an alien detainee's head."

The new findings from the internal watchdog follow a report in June that pointed to "a pattern of physical and verbal abuse by some correctional officers" against foreigners jailed after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The June report from Inspector General Glenn Fine also found "significant problems" with the government's handling of hundreds of immigrants with no ties to terrorism who were jailed after the attacks.

While Justice Department officials characterized the complaints in the new report as isolated cases, civil rights advocates said they confirm the government widely discriminates against Arabs and Muslims in its zeal to wage war on terrorism.

The inquiry covered the six months ending June 15 and included an examination of more than 1,000 claims of abuse brought under the USA Patriot Act, a broad anti-terrorism law approved the month after the 2001 attacks.

Because of concerns that the new law would result in civil rights abuses, the act set up a mechanism to investigate complaints and report on that activity twice a year.

The inspector general found that of 1,073 claims, 272 involved claims of civil rights violations by the Justice Department. Of those, 34 were found to be credible.

Department spokesman Mark Corallo noted the 34 cases found worthy of further investigation represent only a fraction of the complaints lodged with the inspector general.

"With very few exceptions, the employees of the Department of Justice are people who uphold and protect civil liberties and civil rights, and this report proved that the system is working," Corallo said. "We take all allegations of civil rights abuses seriously, but we have to put this into perspective."

He also said many of the complaints under investigation could ultimately prove unsubstantiated.

Justice Department officials say the problems detected by the inspector general's latest report do not indicate that authorities are abusing the enhanced surveillance powers granted under the Patriot Act.

But civil rights activists counter that the Patriot Act and other policies created as part of the Bush administration's war on terrorism are inherently undemocratic and inevitably lead to human rights abuses.

Critics contend that the secret detentions of immigrants from the Middle East and other Muslim countries for minor immigration violations were unduly harsh and discriminatory.

The Justice Department seems to have a "general policy of targeting Muslims because they are Muslims," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington.

"We're only beginning to see the abuses that have been prompted by the hysteria after Sept. 11," Hooper said. "There are legitimate concerns about terrorism, but those concerns are not addressed by abusing detainees or eliminating the civil liberties that made this country great."

In every case where the report specified race or ethnicity, those complaining of violations were described as Arab or Muslim.

Twenty of the 34 credible cases stemmed from complaints against the federal Bureau of Prisons.

The Office of Internal Affairs in the Bureau of Prisons conducted its own inquiry of a correction officer who told a Muslim inmate to take off his shirt so the officer could use it to shine his shoes. Officials concluded that the allegations were not valid, but the inspector general launched his own investigation because the Office of Internal Affairs failed to interview the officer or the inmates who had complained.

A witness from the bureau provided the inspector general with a sworn statement supporting the allegations. Confronted with the findings, the officer admitted verbally abusing the inmate and being "less than completely candid" when first asked to give his version of the incident.

The findings were forwarded to the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, which declined to prosecute.

The inspector general recently opened an investigation into a complaint from an Egyptian citizen who allegedly suffered "multiple and duplicative invasive body cavity searches" and was "forced to consume food prohibited by his religion" while jailed after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Other allegations against the Bureau of Prisons included complaints that staff made "slanderous remarks about Islam" and threatened to make jail conditions more severe unless inmates cooperated with the government.

The investigation into the prison officer who allegedly put a loaded gun to an inmate's head is ongoing, according to the report.

The inspector general's report in June concluded that the detentions of immigrants after the Sept. 11 attacks were harsh, unnecessarily long and sometimes baseless.

Within 11 months of the attacks, 762 people _most from Middle Eastern or predominantly Muslim countries - were detained and designated "of interest," meaning that officials believed they "may have had a connection" to terrorism.

Many of those links turned out to be non-existent or innocuous. Yet it took the FBI an average of three months to clear arrested immigrants of terrorist ties and release or deport them, a process that should have taken just "a few days," the internal investigation found.

Detainees were subjected to secret deportation proceedings established under guidelines quietly issued by the Justice Department.

The government has never publicly identified specific terrorist plots thwarted inside the U.S. by the detentions.

Hussein Ibish, spokesman for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, said the Justice Department has not been responsive to concerns about civil liberties.

"There is no justification for locking up many of these detainees in the first place and certainly no justification for civil rights abuses," Ibish said. "Once you dispense with openness, you have a system that is just set up for abuse."

 

[jimnyc]

A whole book was written about these scumbags and the way they treat women. What a way to live! Who in their right mind would defend the actions of these retards?

http://www.curledup.com/priceof.htm

 

[Dawoud]

Hate doesent wear just one hat




http://www.islam101.com/terror/christianExtremists.htm


And let me remind you of something jimnyc the biggest killers of citizens in the USA are the Colombian Drug Lords who by the way are mostly good Catholics.

So I guess you will want to bomb and invade the vatican next i suppose?

 

[jimnyc]

And I believe this thread is about muslims, and this thread is in a forum called muslims, so I'm not really sure how any of what you say is relavent. As I stated previously though, feel free to start a new thread in the appropriate forum.

 

[Dawoud]

I started this thread not you and I can post what i want on it unless you censor me like you did on your thread

and this is all relevant because its about being Muslim in america

so big man you gonna excerise your freedom of expression and deny me mine?

 

[jimnyc]

Dawoud, this is not Yahoo's message boards.

You do not get extended any additional priviledges just because you were the thread starter, sorry!

There is a reason the forums are broken up into different categories. I'm not going to have people running around making posts off topic in any forum they feel like.

That is not censorship! That's called keeping the forums neat and administrating. You've been told on a few occasions now that you are free to start any damn subject you want, as long as it is in the appropriate forum.. You've been afforded more freedom of speech in this forum than a Muslim woman gets in her lifetime!

This is really a simple concept to grasp. Blue balls go in blue containers, red balls go in red containers, yellow balls ... Do I really need to explain this any further to you?

 

[Dawoud]

People change religions all the time, however it is striking when a person who has dedicated his/her life to religious studies for one particular religion, only to end up embracing another. You will find common folk converting from Islam to christianity in some cases, but you wont find many, if any, Islamic clerics converting from Islam to Christianity, even in the west. However, you do find many priest and clerics from Christianity who have converted to Islam.


http://www.thetruereligion.org/priests.htm

 

[jimnyc]

And do they then embrace suicide bombing and terrorism?

 

[eric]

Sure and it happens to be the largest growing religion in our prisions, ever wonder why?

 

[Dawoud]

Wow do you think Rush Limbaugh's gonna convert?

 

[eric]

Boy I have to give you credit for your sharp wit and pithy comments.

 

[jimnyc]

Although the best estimates have total Muslim population in the USA at about 2.8 million, they make up 5.8% of prison population!

Again, truly sad

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by Dawoud
Wow do you think Rush Limbaugh's gonna convert?

Why, do you think he wants to suicide bomb his ex-maid for getting him the pills?

 

[eric]

Only if he joins the cult.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by Dawoud
People change religions all the time, however it is striking when a person who has dedicated his/her life to religious studies for one particular religion, only to end up embracing another. You will find common folk converting from Islam to christianity in some cases, but you wont find many, if any, Islamic clerics converting from Islam to Christianity, even in the west. However, you do find many priest and clerics from Christianity who have converted to Islam.


http://www.thetruereligion.org/priests.htm

I can see why people would want to be just like this guy!
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/04/05/UKcleric_030405

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by Dawoud
Hate doesent wear just one hat

http://www.islam101.com/terror/christianExtremists.htm

And let me remind you of something jimnyc the biggest killers of citizens in the USA are the Colombian Drug Lords who by the way are mostly good Catholics.

So I guess you will want to bomb and invade the vatican next i suppose?

Here's the only quote that would be offensive to Muslims in that link:
"I think Muhammad was a terrorist. . . a violent man, a man of war." - Jerry Falwell
So he doesn't like Mohammed. Who cares? Do you know how many times people have told me that Jesus sucks, or was stupid, etc.? I have not screamed bloody murder about it, because I'm sure taht not everyone is going to agree with my religious views. But that won't stop me from telling people what I believe and why I believe it. Whether you want to accept it or reject it, that's on you.
My point is that commenting about the life of Islam's founder is not the same as murdering thousands, as Muslim terrorists have done.

 

[Zebra]

what is your answer?

 

[Libby von H]

Lets have your opinions on this.

Why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the USA today?

Its also the fastest growing religion in the world today too. And im sure some of you will say thats because of intimation.

But no one is forcing anyone here in America to convert so enplane it will you?

Very simple, and if you kept up with the news you would have your answer in the converson of ex-Muslim longtime atheist Aayan Hirshi Ali