North Korea warns of retaliation over rocket

[Unkotare]

Toro speaking my language.

It's not nice to insult Toro like that.

 

[Unkotare]

Take 'em out.

Animals.

Blaine Harden, Shin Dong-Hyuk: "Escape from Camp 14" | The Diane Rehm Show from WAMU and NPR

Yep ! that's what they do. If you speak against the regime, you don't get arrested, you're family members gets put in the camps.

I listened to this program. What's even more barbaric is that it's not just the political prisoners, but their families and the next two generations who are kept in those camps as slaves.

It's the biggest loser country in the world. Several years ago, this POS regime got all bent out of shape when the US government ordered a bank in Hong Kong to freeze an account with $25 million in laundered money suspected to have ties to the North Korean government. The regime threw a shit-fit. In international geopolitics, $25 million to most governments is like $100 to you or I - not worth getting embarrassed over. But North Korea is such a shithole, one of its main generators of hard currency is using its territory as an overland route for smugglers of the worst kind, with regime taking a hefty cut.

And there are likely still Japanese citizens being held there after being kidnapped by the NK scum decades ago. (kidnapped from Japanese soil, some of them just children at the time)

 

[Toro]

Yep ! that's what they do. If you speak against the regime, you don't get arrested, you're family members gets put in the camps.

I listened to this program. What's even more barbaric is that it's not just the political prisoners, but their families and the next two generations who are kept in those camps as slaves.

It's the biggest loser country in the world. Several years ago, this POS regime got all bent out of shape when the US government ordered a bank in Hong Kong to freeze an account with $25 million in laundered money suspected to have ties to the North Korean government. The regime threw a shit-fit. In international geopolitics, $25 million to most governments is like $100 to you or I - not worth getting embarrassed over. But North Korea is such a shithole, one of its main generators of hard currency is using its territory as an overland route for smugglers of the worst kind, with regime taking a hefty cut.

And there are likely still Japanese citizens being held there after being kidnapped by the NK scum decades ago. (kidnapped from Japanese soil, some of them just children at the time)

Probably.

It's a fascinating interview. The author - who interviewed the kid who escaped - said there are Americans in the camps also, and they are treated "slightly better."

 

[Artevelde]

The US, Japan and South Korea have been letting North Korea get away with murder for far too long.

 

[Unkotare]

Abduction issue even more muddled by rocket launch | The Japan Times Online

 

[ThirdTerm]

What retaliatory Measures ?

North Korea is suspected to be preparing for another nuclear test according to South Korean news sources. Suspending planned food aid over the satellite launch would escalate the situation and give North Korea more excuses to make provocative moves.

 

[Unkotare]

They are going to make "provocative moves" anyway whenever it suits them.

 

[Artevelde]

What retaliatory Measures ?

North Korea is suspected to be preparing for another nuclear test according to South Korean news sources. Suspending planned food aid over the satellite launch would escalate the situation and give North Korea more excuses to make provocative moves.

North Korea makes provocative moves regardless of provocation. It's time to stand up to them (well past time actually, but better late than never).

 

[ThirdTerm]

What retaliatory Measures ?

North Korea is suspected to be preparing for another nuclear test according to South Korean news sources. Suspending planned food aid over the satellite launch would escalate the situation and give North Korea more excuses to make provocative moves.

North Korea makes provocative moves regardless of provocation. It's time to stand up to them (well past time actually, but better late than never).

North Korea fears that South Korea would cross the 38th parallel and its troops are primarily concentrated along the demarcation line. North Korea's military might is significantly weaker than South Korea which spends more than Canada on national defence and North Korea's hawkish stance is largely bluff to deter South Korea and we should not overestimate its technical capabilities while South Korea is legitimately concerned about North Korea because of its unpredictability.

"North Korea's Lessons for (Not) Building an Atomic Bomb." Foreign Affairs. 16 Apr. 2012. Web. 20 Apr. 2012.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137408/jacques-e-c-hymans/north-koreas-lessons-for-not-building-an-atomic-bomb

 

[Unkotare]

Ask someone in the South Korean military how weak the North is.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - dey's in cahoots together...

Experts: NKorea missile carrier likely from China
19 Apr.`12 — The enormous, 16-wheel truck that North Korea used to carry a missile during a recent parade likely came from China in a possible violation of U.N. sanctions meant to rein in Pyongyang's missile program, experts say.

The carrier, also believed capable of launching missiles, caught the eye of experts during last Sunday's military show in Pyongyang because it was the biggest carrier yet displayed by North Korea and gives the country— truculently at odds with the U.S., Japan and South Korea — the ability to transport long-range missiles around its territory, making them harder to locate and destroy. The large size of the vehicle "represents a quantum leap forward" for the North Koreans, said Wendell Minnick, a reporter on Asian military developments for Defense News, a Washington-based publication.

Unlikely to have been made by North Korea because of its technical sophistication, experts said the design of the vehicle shows that China is the probable source. Pinning a sanctions-busting charge on Beijing would be difficult, however, because it would be hard to prove that Beijing provided the technology for military purposes or even that it sold the vehicle directly to North Korea, the experts said. The vehicle also can be used in other fields, like oil exploration. At the same time North Korea might have gotten it from another country in a re-export deal. "It's very possible there was no intended violation of sanctions by China on this piece of equipment," said arms transfer expert Pieter Wezeman of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

On Thursday, China denied any wrongdoing in connection with the vehicle's appearance at the North Korean parade. Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin told a regular news conference that China is against the spread of weapons of mass destruction and carriers for such weapons. He said China follows international laws and has strict rules against the spread of such weapons. U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said China has provided repeated assurances that it is complying fully with U.N. Security Council resolutions sanctioning North Korea. "We take them at their word," he told a news briefing in Washington.

Analyst Ted Parsons of IHS Jane's Defence Weekly first raised the possibility that the missile-carrying vehicle came from China, citing similarities to Chinese design patterns in the windscreen, the windscreen wiper configuration, the door and handle, the grill, the front bumper lighting configurations, and the cabin steps. "The 16-wheel TEL is apparently based on a design from the 9th Academy of the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation," he said.

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[Dr Grump]

It's always made me laugh that the US invaded Iraq, when one of the true rogue nations of the world has been North Korea.

I'm sure the Chinese would be very unhappy (officially) if the US invaded and would prolly puff out its chest. But I reckon behind closed doors they would be happy to see the end of the Kim dynasty.

The biggest problem with toppling the regime is that a huge number of the population has known nothing but propaganda and truly do believe the likes of the US is out to kill them all. They know no difference and would prolly fight tooth and nail. Unlike places such as Iraq and Afghanistan there are absolutely little or no outside influences in the Hermit Kingdom so the vast majority of the population have no idea what goes on in the real world...

 

[Big Black Dog]

Fuck 'em. Bomb them back to the stone age.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm sure the Chinese would be very unhappy (officially) if the US invaded and would prolly puff out its chest. But I reckon behind closed doors they would be happy to see the end of the Kim dynasty....

China would be happy if NK stopped being so fucking crazy. They would not be happy in front of or behind any doors about a US invasion (to say the least).

 

[ThirdTerm]

Analyst Ted Parsons of IHS Jane's Defence Weekly first raised the possibility that the missile-carrying vehicle came from China, citing similarities to Chinese design patterns in the windscreen, the windscreen wiper configuration, the door and handle, the grill, the front bumper lighting configurations, and the cabin steps. "The 16-wheel TEL is apparently based on a design from the 9th Academy of the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation," he said.

It's in China's national interest to preserve its buffer state's independence and it's no secret that China is providing covert military assistance to North Korea. The Communist alliance in Asia is similar to NATO and any attack on North Korea will trigger a Chinese military intervention, which is why we should tread carefully on issues related to North Korea.

 

[The Gadfly]

Bomb that shithole back to the stone age; one well-planned strike with B-2s hitting two or three key targets (including Pyongyang), and a Tomahawk strike (tac nuke) on the massed armor and artillery arrayed just above the DMZ should suffice. The South Koreans can take it from there, and mop up what resistance is left.

 

[Unkotare]

Another short-sighted dope heard from...

 

[Artevelde]

Bomb that shithole back to the stone age; one well-planned strike with B-2s hitting two or three key targets (including Pyongyang), and a Tomahawk strike (tac nuke) on the massed armor and artillery arrayed just above the DMZ should suffice. The South Koreans can take it from there, and mop up what resistance is left.

It's not that simple.

 

[Douger]

They could sell nukes to terrorists.

That's the CIA's job.

 

[Douger]

Fuck 'em. Bomb them back to the stone age.

With what ? A cherry bomb ? They're already in the stone age. Always have been.