No tax cut extension will crash the stock market Obama thinks he revived

Nope. I grasp it just fine but you seem to be having a bit of difficulty so I'll try to simplify this for you. Let's pretend...

The price of an apple is $1.00.

The grocer tells you that he's decided to raise the price of an apple to $1.25 next week.

Next week the grocer tells you that he changed his mind and will NOT raise the price of an apple to $1.25 because he figured out that people will avoid buying apples and it will hurt his business.

Next week the price of an apple is $1.00


Ok.. so now you have been hoodwinked into thinking you received something when the price of an apple didn't budge. You may now kiss the grocer's feet.

The thing you're not understanding is the grocer had to make the conscious decision to NOT raise that price like he intended next week. Just like congress needs to vote to change the course of action which is toward higher taxes. So, if congress does nothing, are they to blame for the tax increase next year? An action must be taken in order for taxes to be lower next year, where as no action results in a tax increase as originally planned.

It doesn't really matter that it just looks like its continuing the tax breaks we have now, it matters that they are voting to reduce our taxes for next year, which will happen to be the same(vry similar) as the tax breaks we have now. Again, it's a game of Semantics and to say that Dems are going to raise taxes is a silly lie.



Then try saying... "Congress is going to vote on whether to MAINTAIN the current tax rate or to allow rates to increase." That is far more honest and clear that trying to pretend it's the gift of a tax cut. Congress is NOT handing you a freaking quarter.

Sure, that would be the most honest thing to say. But that's not what you hear from the far right and far left. Saying a tax cut makes people think it will be lower then what they currently pay, when in reality the cut is just compared to what the scheduled 2011 tax rate is. We're not getting any more money back than we did this year but WE ARE when you compare it to the scheduled 2011 rates (if it passes).
 
PayGo was a myth... an accounting trick. Whatever... it resides up there in unicorn lands alongside the Clinton surplus.'

The surplus was not a myth. In both 1999 and 2000, total federal receipts were higher than total federal expenses. The difference between the two was the surplus - which is why the debt held by the public declined during those years.

Wrong

If you earn 60K... yet spend 90K.. and borrow 32K from your mom.... you are not running a surplus

Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.
 
Then they are not a tax CUT. Doublespeak and obfuscation, the hallmarks of modern politics.

I know this is difficult for you to grasp. But Dems just voted for REDUCING the taxes for people under 250k, REDUCE compared to what they are suppose to be next year. It doesn't matter what they are now, they are not voting on that. If they do nothing, the tax rate will be higher next year as previously planned, so they are trying to vote to reduce that. Keep spinning though.

Only in the fogged world of the Leftist does taking less money than you said you were going to take count as reducing taxes.

Bush gave the middle class taxes that he specified would only last for a certain period of time. Then, Bush said, we're going to put your taxes back up where they were.

The Democrats are saying, no, we're going to put them back down.

The Republicans are saying, no, you're not.
 
No, the voted to not raise taxes. What fucking planet do you live on?

Oh, the planet that equated coffee coupons with tax policies. Forgot that little pearl of idiocy.

Again, I never said the coffee analogy, but nice job with reading comprehension.

So you're saying the vote they are having is whether they should raise taxes or not? Interesting, so if they don't have the vote, taxes don't go up next year and will remain the same as they are now?

That is exactly what I am saying. Good job there Sparky.

And yes, taxes are going up next year (which btw, is an increase) unless Congress acts to stop the increase. If they remain the same, this is not a decrease.

Here let me simplify for you.... If you start out at 1...

1 + 1 = 2 (an increase)

1 + 1 - 1 = 1 (no increase, no decrease)
1 - 1 = 0 (decrease)

It's very simple. Try not to be so befuddled over this.

If the Republicans don't allow the Democrats to 'extend' the so-called middle class tax cuts (which, AGAIN, the rich also get), then they will go UP in January. The GOP will be fully responsible for raising those taxes.
 
Thank you for proving my point. You are indeed a moron. Note your use of the term "potential output." What is the potential?
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If you're not familiar with the concept of potential output, it would go a long way towards explaining your utter lack of knowledge about related topics.

The potential output (Macro: potential GDP) is the equilibrium output level of an industry or an economy as a whole. It's the baseline upon which, in macro, the economy is performing above or below long-term growth potential.

A little knowledge is a ridiculous thing.
You are mixing macro economics with stock market valuation.
I warned you to give it up lest you look even more buffoonish. Alas, you ignored my sound advice.
 
The surplus was not a myth. In both 1999 and 2000, total federal receipts were higher than total federal expenses. The difference between the two was the surplus - which is why the debt held by the public declined during those years.

Wrong

If you earn 60K... yet spend 90K.. and borrow 32K from your mom.... you are not running a surplus

Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.

YES! ZOMG! You are so right! That is exactly what happened, just like you write.
They took in $50,000. They spent $60,000. They counted the $10k deficit as surplus and spent that as well.
You have admirably described the Democrat/leftist mindset that can see no tax increase as a tax cut and a deficit as a surplus.
Well done.
 
The surplus was not a myth. In both 1999 and 2000, total federal receipts were higher than total federal expenses. The difference between the two was the surplus - which is why the debt held by the public declined during those years.

Wrong

If you earn 60K... yet spend 90K.. and borrow 32K from your mom.... you are not running a surplus

Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.

Bullshit. Clinton left with a near $6 trillion debt... he never once ran a surplus. here's the CBO numbers:

Year Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion
 
Again, I never said the coffee analogy, but nice job with reading comprehension.

So you're saying the vote they are having is whether they should raise taxes or not? Interesting, so if they don't have the vote, taxes don't go up next year and will remain the same as they are now?

That is exactly what I am saying. Good job there Sparky.

And yes, taxes are going up next year (which btw, is an increase) unless Congress acts to stop the increase. If they remain the same, this is not a decrease.

Here let me simplify for you.... If you start out at 1...

1 + 1 = 2 (an increase)

1 + 1 - 1 = 1 (no increase, no decrease)
1 - 1 = 0 (decrease)

It's very simple. Try not to be so befuddled over this.

If the Republicans don't allow the Democrats to 'extend' the so-called middle class tax cuts (which, AGAIN, the rich also get), then they will go UP in January. The GOP will be fully responsible for raising those taxes.

Nobody's taxes are going to be raised in January. It will not happen.
 
PayGo was a myth... an accounting trick. Whatever... it resides up there in unicorn lands alongside the Clinton surplus.'

The surplus was not a myth. In both 1999 and 2000, total federal receipts were higher than total federal expenses. The difference between the two was the surplus - which is why the debt held by the public declined during those years.

Wrong

If you earn 60K... yet spend 90K.. and borrow 32K from your mom.... you are not running a surplus



The more accurate analogy is that the borrowing is from his Children or Grandchildren.
 
The surplus was not a myth. In both 1999 and 2000, total federal receipts were higher than total federal expenses. The difference between the two was the surplus - which is why the debt held by the public declined during those years.

Wrong

If you earn 60K... yet spend 90K.. and borrow 32K from your mom.... you are not running a surplus

Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.

No... try understanding a little thing called intergovernmental spending/borrowing

THAT is what happened... the surplus was a myth... the government has not run a surplus since 1957... and THAT is fact
 
Wrong

If you earn 60K... yet spend 90K.. and borrow 32K from your mom.... you are not running a surplus

Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.

No... try understanding a little thing called intergovernmental spending/borrowing

THAT is what happened... the surplus was a myth... the government has not run a surplus since 1957... and THAT is fact

IN his example, earning 50 and spending 60 leaves you with a surplus. Very Clintonesque.
 
Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.

No... try understanding a little thing called intergovernmental spending/borrowing

THAT is what happened... the surplus was a myth... the government has not run a surplus since 1957... and THAT is fact

IN his example, earning 50 and spending 60 leaves you with a surplus. Very Clintonesque.

haha
 
A little knowledge is a ridiculous thing.

Lol, yes. That's my problem here!
You are mixing macro economics with stock market valuation.

No I'm not. I'm "mixing" macroeconomics and microeconomics as they apply to potential output.

But of course, you don't even know what that means so you'll respond with some more asinine commentary proving your lack of education.
 
Wrong

If you earn 60K... yet spend 90K.. and borrow 32K from your mom.... you are not running a surplus

Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.

Bullshit. Clinton left with a near $6 trillion debt... he never once ran a surplus. here's the CBO numbers:

Year Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

It's not bullshit, you're just not smart enough to know what you're talking about.

The debt held by the public went down in 1999 and 2000. That was because the government took in more than it spent. You can see that quite clearly by reviewing the Bush administration's budget histories. Here, have a look - you'll want to move to the tables on page 26:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/pdf/hist.pdf
 
Except, that's not what happened in 1999 and 2000. In those years, to use your example, the government spent 60K, earned 50K and was left with 10K extra to pay off the credit card bill they ran up surfing pron on their mommy's computer.

Bullshit. Clinton left with a near $6 trillion debt... he never once ran a surplus. here's the CBO numbers:

Year Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

It's not bullshit, you're just not smart enough to know what you're talking about.

The debt held by the public went down in 1999 and 2000. That was because the government took in more than it spent. You can see that quite clearly by reviewing the Bush administration's budget histories. Here, have a look - you'll want to move to the tables on page 26:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/pdf/hist.pdf

I'm smart enough to know that when the National Debt goes up every year from 1992 - 2000, it is idiotic to argue we're running surplus'. He started with $4.4 Trillion debt and left with a $5.8 Trillion debt.

Clinton never ran a surplus. PERIOD. You are free to believe otherwise if it makes you feel better, I won't debate it further because you are wrong.

Buh bye.
 
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A little knowledge is a ridiculous thing.

Lol, yes. That's my problem here!
You are mixing macro economics with stock market valuation.

No I'm not. I'm "mixing" macroeconomics and microeconomics as they apply to potential output.

But of course, you don't even know what that means so you'll respond with some more asinine commentary proving your lack of education.

What a riot. The good news is you aren't the most clueless poster on this site. The bad news is you are the most clueless poster on this thread.
You can't explain what you mean. This is because you have no idea what your'e talking about, just repeating phrases and snippets you heard while dozing through an econ class.
 
Bullshit. Clinton left with a near $6 trillion debt... he never once ran a surplus. here's the CBO numbers:

Year Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

It's not bullshit, you're just not smart enough to know what you're talking about.

The debt held by the public went down in 1999 and 2000. That was because the government took in more than it spent. You can see that quite clearly by reviewing the Bush administration's budget histories. Here, have a look - you'll want to move to the tables on page 26:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/pdf/hist.pdf

I'm smart enough to know that when the National Debt goes up every year from 1992 - 2000, it is idiotic to argue we're running surplus'. He started with $4.4 Trillion debt and left with a $5.8 Trillion debt.

Clinton never ran a surplus. PERIOD. You are free to believe otherwise if it makes you feel better, I won't debate it further because you are wrong.


Buh bye.

1. I never said he ran a surplus over the entire period he was in office. I was rather clear about the timeframe.

2. The national debt held by the public went down in 1999 and 2000 - because both the unified budget and the on-budget items ran a surplus.

Of course, you found an easy out by simply saying you won't debate it any further. I don't blame ya - you can't really debate facts, and you are wrong.
 
A little knowledge is a ridiculous thing.

Lol, yes. That's my problem here!
You are mixing macro economics with stock market valuation.

No I'm not. I'm "mixing" macroeconomics and microeconomics as they apply to potential output.

But of course, you don't even know what that means so you'll respond with some more asinine commentary proving your lack of education.

What a riot. The good news is you aren't the most clueless poster on this site. The bad news is you are the most clueless poster on this thread.
You can't explain what you mean. This is because you have no idea what your'e talking about, just repeating phrases and snippets you heard while dozing through an econ class.

"dozing through econ class." that's funneh!!!!

I certainly can explain what I mean - in fact, I already did! Here's let's review since you obviously don't read much:

"The potential output (Macro: potential GDP) is the equilibrium output level of an industry or an economy as a whole. It's the baseline upon which, in macro, the economy is performing above or below long-term growth potential. "

If you tell me which part of that you don't understand, I'd be happy to explain.
 

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