No Special Priveleges Jail Privileges For Ferguson Rioters

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Well fuck it then. If they can't have waterbeds & internet porn just let them all out.

Geez people. Punishment should absolutely be the focal point for prisoners.

In one post you claim they are underfunded then you turn around and claim they're rolling in cash.

 

[Peach]

Well fuck it then. If they can't have waterbeds & internet porn just let them all out.

Geez people. Punishment should absolutely be the focal point for prisoners.

In one post you claim they are underfunded then you turn around and claim they're rolling in cash.

No, programs that can rehabilitate are under funded, and my father disagreed, he had to work inside. He believed education programs and axctivities were needed to keep inmates away fron those planning trouble inside; as I knew one personally who went from a life of criminal activity to a good paying job (for a small chain of travel agencies) after learning computer operation in prison, I saw it myself firsthand. And I have known a Federal offender* since childhood, after he got out for the "conspiracy" charges concerning a truckload of marijuana 21 YEARS ago, not one criminal offense, except one speeding ticket. He owns his own business, selling wood products. He was required to get try to get his GED in prison, learned how to read and write in prison, earned his GED, went straight, and has remained so.

*The Feds came to town looking for government corruption, had to settle for crimes like a a half a pound of pot in a freezer, been there for months, that and a few other convictions were tossed. A "prominent citizen" shared cocaine in his home, got seven years; the 11th Circuit ruled it was NOT distribution.The pot in the freezer was part of a conspiracy of course.

If the recidivism rate could be lowered by even 5%, it would save lives, cost taxpayers less than incarceration, and benefit this nation. Of course I grew up in the town many inmates were released to, that may impact my view. Some sold those bus tickets and hitchiked on the state highway............or stayed in town a tme.

 

[protectionist]

You realize they might send them to a private prison that charges the state 2x or 3x as much to house them as a public prison, then use the prisoners as a cheap slave labor force, right?

The prison system is no longer about keeping America safe, or even punishment - most of the time it is about making money off human misery and creating even worse criminals that they can imprison again for greater profit.

Not really true. Perhaps some but not all.

Entirely true, some day America will have so many prisoners it will cost more than the entire US welfare budget to keep them all in prison. A testament to the failing war on drugs, and whatever else.

The obsession with incarceration over rehabilitation has created a mess. The great wars are over, so you can't send them to fight, and the moment most of them get a black mark on their name they can never get a job again.

But keep pushing for more prisons by all means, it will create employment for people as prison guards, and help the construction industry. Everything will be fine until the country starts losing out economically against China, because the US has to spend vast sums of money that it doesn't have.

Maybe your lawyer could negotiate for you to wear a GPS ankle bracelet ? Of course that still wouldn't stop you from being a danger to the community. Only prison can do that.

 

[protectionist]

You realize they might send them to a private prison that charges the state 2x or 3x as much to house them as a public prison, then use the prisoners as a cheap slave labor force, right?

The prison system is no longer about keeping America safe, or even punishment - most of the time it is about making money off human misery and creating even worse criminals that they can imprison again for greater profit.

Not really true. Perhaps some but not all.

Entirely true, some day America will have so many prisoners it will cost more than the entire US welfare budget to keep them all in prison. A testament to the failing war on drugs, and whatever else.

The obsession with incarceration over rehabilitation has created a mess. The great wars are over, so you can't send them to fight, and the moment most of them get a black mark on their name they can never get a job again.

But keep pushing for more prisons by all means, it will create employment for people as prison guards, and help the construction industry. Everything will be fine until the country starts losing out economically against China, because the US has to spend vast sums of money that it doesn't have.

Florida law since the CPC states punishment is the primary goal of the prison system. Bush & Scott both want private prisons to turn profits.

The primary goal of the prison system is PROTECTION of the public.

 

[protectionist]

Bread and water is not a good idea. Making them raise their own crops and raise their own meat supply IS a good idea.

I wouldn't trust these loons to handle animals.

 

[Gracie]

Bread and water is not a good idea. Making them raise their own crops and raise their own meat supply IS a good idea.

I wouldn't trust these loons to handle animals.

Actually, most of them seem to deal with animals better than with people.

 

[protectionist]

You realize they might send them to a private prison that charges the state 2x or 3x as much to house them as a public prison, then use the prisoners as a cheap slave labor force, right?

The prison system is no longer about keeping America safe, or even punishment - most of the time it is about making money off human misery and creating even worse criminals that they can imprison again for greater profit.

Not really true. Perhaps some but not all.

Entirely true, some day America will have so many prisoners it will cost more than the entire US welfare budget to keep them all in prison. A testament to the failing war on drugs, and whatever else.

The obsession with incarceration over rehabilitation has created a mess. The great wars are over, so you can't send them to fight, and the moment most of them get a black mark on their name they can never get a job again.

But keep pushing for more prisons by all means, it will create employment for people as prison guards, and help the construction industry. Everything will be fine until the country starts losing out economically against China, because the US has to spend vast sums of money that it doesn't have.

You clearly have no idea what happens with prisoners in prison.

Most prisons have mandatory education, work & rehabilitation programs that every prisoner is required to participate in.

Your political view of the situation has no bearing on the reality behind the walls.

I do know what happens in prisons, the rehabilitation programs they do have are painfully inadequate.

It is possible to get educated while in prison, but success rates aren't any higher than outside. So most that come out don't get anything from it, except psychologically (where they either decide to better themselves or just become better criminals).

Also no matter how hard the staff in prisons may work, they are under resourced. If you compare prisons in the US to those in Europe or even Canada you can see the difference that more funding for rehabilitation makes.

As for the work programs, they are hardly a key to work outside prison as they often involve doing tasks for a company for payment far below the minimum wage, kinda like how illegal immigrant wages undercut minimum wage Americans.

Prisons are for the public, not the prisoner.

 

[protectionist]

Bread and water is not a good idea. Making them raise their own crops and raise their own meat supply IS a good idea.

I wouldn't trust these loons to handle animals.

Actually, most of them seem to deal with animals better than with people.

That's not saying much.

 

[protectionist]

You realize they might send them to a private prison that charges the state 2x or 3x as much to house them as a public prison, then use the prisoners as a cheap slave labor force, right?

The prison system is no longer about keeping America safe, or even punishment - most of the time it is about making money off human misery and creating even worse criminals that they can imprison again for greater profit.

Not really true. Perhaps some but not all.

Entirely true, some day America will have so many prisoners it will cost more than the entire US welfare budget to keep them all in prison. A testament to the failing war on drugs, and whatever else.

The obsession with incarceration over rehabilitation has created a mess. The great wars are over, so you can't send them to fight, and the moment most of them get a black mark on their name they can never get a job again.

But keep pushing for more prisons by all means, it will create employment for people as prison guards, and help the construction industry. Everything will be fine until the country starts losing out economically against China, because the US has to spend vast sums of money that it doesn't have.

Florida law since the CPC states punishment is the primary goal of the prison system. Bush & Scott both want private prisons to turn profits.

Yep, make more money out of inequality and poverty by pushing everyone into prison that can't afford a high quality law firm. I don't agree that the rioters should be locked up and treated differently, looks like some want revenge rather than justice.

I'd say the conditions I described ought to apply to ALL criminals of victim crimes, with the rioters being included.

 

[protectionist]

I don't think you are as knowledgeable on the subject as you think you are.

Florida now focuses on punishment, when my father worked at DOC, he spent sometime overseeing the prison library, I donated things and got a few friends to do so also. Now, there isn't one in a large CI he worked at. And no Internet access for inmates. Yes, there was significant abuse of access when allowed; I wish the DOC had the financial ability to screen inmates so some who used it to LEARN could, but DOC's budget priority is assisting the private prisons 'operate', though one was never completed, and a couple others need additional work to be safe for those working inside, and the public. The State has to pick up the tab, though some investors are making a fortune.

I don't like seeing investors involved with anything having to do with law and order, and PROTECTION of the public.

 

[Peach]

It seems some of you think jail/prison is a walk in the park. I assure you it isn't. The solitude alone can drive you nuts.

A friend of mine, one whose conviction was overturned, said the same thing another friend did (his conviction was NOT overturned): the first night is the hardest. I'll stick with what my daddy believed, this applies only to long termers: train, teach, direct, and hope a few do not come back in. I remembered just now a former inmate calling my father a year or so after he got of prison; my daddy's first words were "Are in trouble, did you do something again"? The guy told him no, he was working, and wanted to thank him for treating him decently, AND helping learn the basics of reading.

 

[WinterBorn]

If I were the Sheriff of St. Louis County I would see to it the the Ferguson rioters really regret breaking the law there. I would deny them the comforts of pillows, blankets, TV, radio, stereos of any kind, computers, books and magazines.

They also should not be allowed cell phones or the use of any phones of any kind. They also should not be allowed to send or receive mail or have any visitors.

They should also be required to do some kind of hard work, without any pay for it. If there is work outside needed to be done they should wear ball & chain to insure they can't escape.

So you would prevent them from getting mail and having visitors? And not let them have pillows or blankets?

And you even said put them all on bread & water?


lol Hate to tell you, but if you were the jailor and did that, you would be IN jail. There are laws and standards for providing for inmates.

And isn't it a bit strange that you would do all that for rioters, but drug dealers and murders would, presumably, get pillows, blankets, cell phones, computers, visitors, TVs ect ect.

 

[Gracie]

You're not very smart, are you?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Another thing I would change is allowing inmates to have regular food. To hell with that. Why should taxpayers pay to give these bums good food ? I'd give then a steady diet of one thing > Bread & water. Nothing else.

And no toilet paper!



seriously, the problem with being overly harsh is that some of the people are innocent, picked up for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Been there, done that, got the fucking T-Shirt

 

[protectionist]

If I were the Sheriff of St. Louis County I would see to it the the Ferguson rioters really regret breaking the law there. I would deny them the comforts of pillows, blankets, TV, radio, stereos of any kind, computers, books and magazines.

They also should not be allowed cell phones or the use of any phones of any kind. They also should not be allowed to send or receive mail or have any visitors.

They should also be required to do some kind of hard work, without any pay for it. If there is work outside needed to be done they should wear ball & chain to insure they can't escape.

So you would prevent them from getting mail and having visitors? And not let them have pillows or blankets?

And you even said put them all on bread & water?


lol Hate to tell you, but if you were the jailor and did that, you would be IN jail. There are laws and standards for providing for inmates.

And isn't it a bit strange that you would do all that for rioters, but drug dealers and murders would, presumably, get pillows, blankets, cell phones, computers, visitors, TVs ect ect.

Are you retarded ? I've been talking about how I see that things SHOULD be, not how they are. Without getting into whether you are correct or not, it's irrelevant to the thread. The thread is a design (including making things law, that should be), not a mirror of current situation.

Also, regarding this > "drug dealers and murderers would, presumably, get pillows, blankets, cell phones, computers, visitors, TVs etc., etc." you presume wrong. I would give them the same treatment, as I mentioned in Post # 29. Try reading the thread before you post.

 

[protectionist]

You're not very smart, are you?

He does shows indications of that, It can't be denied.

 

[protectionist]

Another thing I would change is allowing inmates to have regular food. To hell with that. Why should taxpayers pay to give these bums good food ? I'd give then a steady diet of one thing > Bread & water. Nothing else.

And no toilet paper!



seriously, the problem with being overly harsh is that some of the people are innocent, picked up for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Been there, done that, got the fucking T-Shirt

Yeah, I hear you there. That is a bummer, But hey, life is hard.

 

[Mr. H.]

Some of those inmates are accustomed to eating crawdads.
And when there is no crawdad, they eat sand.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It seems some of you think jail/prison is a walk in the park. I assure you it isn't. The solitude alone can drive you nuts.

A friend of mine, one whose conviction was overturned, said the same thing another friend did (his conviction was NOT overturned): the first night is the hardest. I'll stick with what my daddy believed, this applies only to long termers: train, teach, direct, and hope a few do not come back in. I remembered just now a former inmate calling my father a year or so after he got of prison; my daddy's first words were "Are in trouble, did you do something again"? The guy told him no, he was working, and wanted to thank him for treating him decently, AND helping learn the basics of reading.

Your daddy didn't do time, I did. And not some 6 month stint either.
As I said, most of you are clueless. You try to apply politics to prison but you speak from "surveys" or "charts". I speak from experience.

 

[hipeter924]

You realize they might send them to a private prison that charges the state 2x or 3x as much to house them as a public prison, then use the prisoners as a cheap slave labor force, right?

The prison system is no longer about keeping America safe, or even punishment - most of the time it is about making money off human misery and creating even worse criminals that they can imprison again for greater profit.

Not really true. Perhaps some but not all.

Entirely true, some day America will have so many prisoners it will cost more than the entire US welfare budget to keep them all in prison. A testament to the failing war on drugs, and whatever else.

The obsession with incarceration over rehabilitation has created a mess. The great wars are over, so you can't send them to fight, and the moment most of them get a black mark on their name they can never get a job again.

But keep pushing for more prisons by all means, it will create employment for people as prison guards, and help the construction industry. Everything will be fine until the country starts losing out economically against China, because the US has to spend vast sums of money that it doesn't have.

Maybe your lawyer could negotiate for you to wear a GPS ankle bracelet ? Of course that still wouldn't stop you from being a danger to the community. Only prison can do that.

For that I would actually have to commit a crime, no bad or corrupt cops around my area, so not going to happen.