NJ Gay marriage bill fails

[Newby]

I live in NJ and support gay marriage.
But I am glad it was not approved in this case. If the bill had been in the works for some time and they pushed it ahead before Corzine left, I would have supported it.
But to generate and rush through legislation with a lame duck Governor is just wrong.

NJ has civil unions now and will eventually get Gay Marriage. But this is not the way to do it

What's the legal difference between a civil union and a 'gay marriage'?

 

[bodecea]

I live in NJ and support gay marriage.
But I am glad it was not approved in this case. If the bill had been in the works for some time and they pushed it ahead before Corzine left, I would have supported it.
But to generate and rush through legislation with a lame duck Governor is just wrong.

NJ has civil unions now and will eventually get Gay Marriage. But this is not the way to do it

What's the legal difference between a civil union and a 'gay marriage'?

Lots...particularly at the federal level.

 

[Newby]

I live in NJ and support gay marriage.
But I am glad it was not approved in this case. If the bill had been in the works for some time and they pushed it ahead before Corzine left, I would have supported it.
But to generate and rush through legislation with a lame duck Governor is just wrong.

NJ has civil unions now and will eventually get Gay Marriage. But this is not the way to do it

What's the legal difference between a civil union and a 'gay marriage'?

Lots...particularly at the federal level.

Such as?

 

[bodecea]

What's the legal difference between a civil union and a 'gay marriage'?

Lots...particularly at the federal level.

Such as?

Off the top of my head:

No survivor benefits with SSN

No survivor retirement benefits for families of federal workers, including retired military

No recognition of domestic partnership agreements thruout the U.S. based on the Full Faith Clause.

No enforced recognition of powers of attorney thruout the U.S. based on the Full Faith Clause.

A minor annoyance for us (cost extra time and $$$) was when we refi'd our house....since it was a Fed loan, we were not allowed to refi as a married couple even tho legally married in CA.

Here are more:

Marriage Benefits

 

[Cecilie1200]

New Jersey legislature defeats gay marriage bill - Yahoo! News

Looks like it wont be passed before Christie takes office there.

So tell me something, if Gay marriage is so important, why does it keep losing in the most liberal of states?

Silly. Don't you know that some things are just TOO important to be left up to the democratic process? The TRULY important issues of the day must be decided for us by the handful of enlightened, anointed beings (leftists) whose mission on Earth is to tell the unwashed masses what's really good for them.

Now write that down somewhere and don't make me tell you again.

 

[Cecilie1200]

New Jersey legislature defeats gay marriage bill - Yahoo! News

Looks like it wont be passed before Christie takes office there.

So tell me something, if Gay marriage is so important, why does it keep losing in the most liberal of states?

just like civil rights would have

Yeah? Prove it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Well I live in it, and it ain't Massachusetts.

Well it ain't fucking Texas.

Jersey is liberal pard.

to the fucking core...

"Liberal pard, to the F____G Core?" I don't think so. I don't recall one friend or acquaintance that is a 100% lib here in NJ. Maybe their hiding or afraid to admit it. Most that I have known over the years are a mixture of conservs,libs and those pesky "super Libs", the Progressives.

Kind of like the ideology mix of the USA, capitalist/socialist/Marxist and a topping of a few out right crazies. Holy 'Krap', that sounds like a USMB mix!

Unless you know the majority of people in the state, your anecdotal "No one I know there is liberal" means nothing. Of course, in light of the rest of your post, it meant nothing, anyway.

 

[bodecea]

New Jersey legislature defeats gay marriage bill - Yahoo! News

Looks like it wont be passed before Christie takes office there.

So tell me something, if Gay marriage is so important, why does it keep losing in the most liberal of states?

Silly. Don't you know that some things are just TOO important to be left up to the democratic process? The TRULY important issues of the day must be decided for us by the handful of enlightened, anointed beings (leftists) whose mission on Earth is to tell the unwashed masses what's really good for them.

Now write that down somewhere and don't make me tell you again.

Who exactly are the "unwashed masses" you are referring to?