Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Worker co-ops?

If the free market will support worker co-ops, they will thrive.

So far...not happening.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Socialists deny that their ambitions are totalitarian. But their stated goals say otherwise. Here's the first paragraph from 'What is Democratic Socialism' on the Democratic Socialists of America's website:

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

They want the economy, and society, to be "run" democratically. Think about that. What else is left? What else is beyond their control if they run the economy and society?

Pure democracy becomes totalitarian without fail.

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[danielpalos]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

Capitalism, you say?

Um, no....

https://www.mackinac.org/archives/1998/sp1998-01.pdf

Capitalism is all about boom and bust.

The Great Depression was not the country’s first depression, though it proved to be the longest. Several others preceded it.

 

[sparky]

The only function of Socialism is to enrich the oligarchy and enslave the peasants to a mundane subsistence existence.

well then you nailed it Mr Tree
>>>>

~S~

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Capitalism is all about boom and bust.

Because life is about boom and bust.

Prison is pretty routine. Would you give up the uncertainty of freedom for prison life?

 

[dblack]

Join DSA. Become a member today.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The only function of Socialism is to enrich the oligarchy and enslave the peasants to a mundane subsistence existence.

well then you nailed it Mr Tree
>>>>

~S~

And, the end result of socialism would be the same...except everyone would be equal, in the bottom tier, except for the VERY few political elite. (See North Korea)

 

[dblack]

Prison is pretty routine. Would you give up the uncertainty of freedom for prison life?

A lot of people would. That's the problem.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

A lot of people would. That's the problem.

We should oblige them.

 

[Oddball]

The only function of Socialism is to enrich the oligarchy and enslave the peasants to a mundane subsistence existence.

well then you nailed it Mr Tree
>>>>

~S~

The Fed and fiat banking have driven more wealth inequality than any other source....They're the ones who get to create money out of nothing, then charge interest on it.

 

[sparky]

The only function of Socialism is to enrich the oligarchy and enslave the peasants to a mundane subsistence existence.

well then you nailed it Mr Tree
>>>>

~S~

And, the end result of socialism would be the same...except everyone would be equal, in the bottom tier, except for the VERY few political elite. (See North Korea)

Indeed so Boots


~S~

 

[Oddball]

Capitalism is all about boom and bust.

Tide comes in, tide goes out....Learn to live and deal with it.

 

[sparky]

The only function of Socialism is to enrich the oligarchy and enslave the peasants to a mundane subsistence existence.

well then you nailed it Mr Tree
>>>>

~S~

The Fed and fiat banking have driven more wealth inequality than any other source....They're the ones who get to create money out of nothing, then charge interest on it.

and put anyone else that tries the same in jail.....like >>>>

~S~

 

[Flash]

When will these stupid Libatrds ever learn that you don't create any wealth or prosperity by talking money out one pocket and putting it in the other?

 

[sparky]

Capitalism is all about boom and bust.

Tide comes in, tide goes out....Learn to live and deal with it.

goes double for construction....~S~

 

[dblack]

The only function of Socialism is to enrich the oligarchy and enslave the peasants to a mundane subsistence existence.

well then you nailed it Mr Tree
>>>>

~S~

The Fed and fiat banking have driven more wealth inequality than any other source....They're the ones who get to create money out of nothing, then charge interest on it.

and put anyone else that tries the same in jail.....like >>>>

~S~

Indeed. Crooks don't like other crooks invading their turf.

 

[Oddball]

The only function of Socialism is to enrich the oligarchy and enslave the peasants to a mundane subsistence existence.

well then you nailed it Mr Tree
>>>>

~S~

The Fed and fiat banking have driven more wealth inequality than any other source....They're the ones who get to create money out of nothing, then charge interest on it.

and put anyone else that tries the same in jail.....like >>>>

~S~

Madoff was a piker.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Capitalism is all about boom and bust.

Tide comes in, tide goes out....Learn to live and deal with it.

Yep.

A tiger living in captivity has at least one meal a day, where he may go several days without food in the wild, but the second he sees an open gate...


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[dblack]

When will these stupid Libatrds ever learn that you don't create any wealth or prosperity by talking money out one pocket and putting it in the other?

About twenty minutes after Trumptards figure it out.

 

[sparky]

When will these stupid Libatrds ever learn that you don't create any wealth or prosperity by talking money out one pocket and putting it in the other?

Hire me, i'd be glad to empty you pockets Flash

~S~