Truthseeker420
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I take Newt has never read anything about our founding fathers.
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Interestingly enough, I've never seen them wear their religion on their sleeve.
Newt tends to drape himself with it.
You tend to ignore Obama's speeches then? Cuz I can, without google, cite at least 10 speeches by Obama where he specifically cites 'God'.
Your partisanship is funny.
Obama cites god because he has too, otherwise America wouldn't accept him. I am not blaming him for doing so, but I don't think he really believes it. He is too smart.
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1835
When Totalitarianism comes, you will not be able to buy, sell or trade, without the Mark.
P.S. Separation of Church and State is a Christian Teaching. Maybe the problem lies in your definition.
What?
For almost a thousand years the Christian Church was in bed with every monarchy in Europe. They drew their power from the church, trampling on the common man declaring their divine right from God.
The main support against the revolution was from the Anglican church which was the dominant church in the colonies. 100,000 of them left to Canada and back to England after the revolution.
You tend to ignore Obama's speeches then? Cuz I can, without google, cite at least 10 speeches by Obama where he specifically cites 'God'.
Your partisanship is funny.
Obama cites god because he has too, otherwise America wouldn't accept him. I am not blaming him for doing so, but I don't think he really believes it. He is too smart.
I have to strongly disagree. I know some extremely intelligent people who have mystical and occult beliefs. Of course, they don't believe in "Noah's flood" and "magical creation". But they believe there is a "spirit of good" for lack of better words. They could explain their beliefs better since I don't share them.
Dr. Francis Collins, who many consider the father of the Human Genome Project, is an extremely devout Christian. Yet he completely believes in the reality of the Scientific Theory of Evolution.
Right wingers make the mistake of thinking I'm "anti religion". In fact, it's a more difficult debate. I don't share those beliefs. I don't like having them pushed on me. They attempt to use those beliefs as a "club" and many assign incredible ignorance to those beliefs, like magical creation and Noah's flood.
I can't even really "debate" something like the "supernatural". It's not that I have a belief that it's not real. The truth is, I have no belief at all. It's so wildly unreal, my mind can't even consider the possibility of "spirits and angels and demons". But others have different beliefs. As long as they don't push them on me, I don't really care what they are.
I take Newt has never read anything about our founding fathers.
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1835
When Totalitarianism comes, you will not be able to buy, sell or trade, without the Mark.
P.S. Separation of Church and State is a Christian Teaching. Maybe the problem lies in your definition.
The left sure spends a lot of time worrying about the faith of others.
I would say that "the market" was his god but he was a lobbyist for a GSE (Freddie Mac) so he is a Big gov't conservative/crony capitalist
Its good enough for you because hes a republican, if Gingrich said he prays to Satan youd still vote for him.
You know........if Newt actually DID pray to God for guidance, why is he still acting like a complete tool? Does he even listen to what God says?
I doubt it.
What did God say to you?
Obama cites god because he has too, otherwise America wouldn't accept him. I am not blaming him for doing so, but I don't think he really believes it. He is too smart.
I have to strongly disagree. I know some extremely intelligent people who have mystical and occult beliefs. Of course, they don't believe in "Noah's flood" and "magical creation". But they believe there is a "spirit of good" for lack of better words. They could explain their beliefs better since I don't share them.
Dr. Francis Collins, who many consider the father of the Human Genome Project, is an extremely devout Christian. Yet he completely believes in the reality of the Scientific Theory of Evolution.
Right wingers make the mistake of thinking I'm "anti religion". In fact, it's a more difficult debate. I don't share those beliefs. I don't like having them pushed on me. They attempt to use those beliefs as a "club" and many assign incredible ignorance to those beliefs, like magical creation and Noah's flood.
I can't even really "debate" something like the "supernatural". It's not that I have a belief that it's not real. The truth is, I have no belief at all. It's so wildly unreal, my mind can't even consider the possibility of "spirits and angels and demons". But others have different beliefs. As long as they don't push them on me, I don't really care what they are.
Mutant.
Know what pisses me off most about these GOP "Christians"?
They seem to use God as more of a prop to be displayed for political gain rather than actually following the lessons of Yeshua.
Unlike, for example, Nancy Pelosi or Barrack Obama?
Interestingly enough, I've never seen them wear their religion on their sleeve.
Newt tends to drape himself with it.
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1835
When Totalitarianism comes, you will not be able to buy, sell or trade, without the Mark.
P.S. Separation of Church and State is a Christian Teaching. Maybe the problem lies in your definition.
It is a Christian belief and clearly stated in the Bible by Jesus.
But these American Christians we see today are NOT the same as the kind of Christians we have come to expect.
When audience members applauded executions and shouted "Let him die", no candidates said a thing about it. When you have a Republican leader, such as Andre Bauer, saying "Feed the poor and they'll breed", clearly, that goes against Christian teaching.
Ephesians 6:5 NLT Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
Clearly Jesus approves of slavery, otherwise he wouldn't be saying "be a better slave". This is why many confederates have no problem with slavery. Jesus says nothing against the gays, but the right wing makes gays central to their "hate", for lack of a better way to put it.
Someone once told me that helping the poor was central to the Bible. I believe that.
But how to help is the question.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
I have to strongly disagree. I know some extremely intelligent people who have mystical and occult beliefs. Of course, they don't believe in "Noah's flood" and "magical creation". But they believe there is a "spirit of good" for lack of better words. They could explain their beliefs better since I don't share them.
Dr. Francis Collins, who many consider the father of the Human Genome Project, is an extremely devout Christian. Yet he completely believes in the reality of the Scientific Theory of Evolution.
Right wingers make the mistake of thinking I'm "anti religion". In fact, it's a more difficult debate. I don't share those beliefs. I don't like having them pushed on me. They attempt to use those beliefs as a "club" and many assign incredible ignorance to those beliefs, like magical creation and Noah's flood.
I can't even really "debate" something like the "supernatural". It's not that I have a belief that it's not real. The truth is, I have no belief at all. It's so wildly unreal, my mind can't even consider the possibility of "spirits and angels and demons". But others have different beliefs. As long as they don't push them on me, I don't really care what they are.
I am waiting for the candidate that stands up and tells everyone that his religion is his own business and no one elses and they refuse to discuss their private beliefs.
And tells everyone that gay marriage is not their business, government should work hard to discourage abortion but not be involved in laws against it and the individual will be respected for the personal private beliefs.
But fat ass Snooty Newtie would weigh less on the Moon.Maybe God wants a colony on the moon.
Did you ever think of that?
Actually, based on simple observation, I think that He would want us to colonize Mars instead of the Moon because the Moon has a greater chance of meteor impacts.
Guess Newt didn't take that into consideration.
Besides...........Mars has atmosphere, the Moon doesn't.
When Totalitarianism comes, you will not be able to buy, sell or trade, without the Mark.
P.S. Separation of Church and State is a Christian Teaching. Maybe the problem lies in your definition.
It is a Christian belief and clearly stated in the Bible by Jesus.
But these American Christians we see today are NOT the same as the kind of Christians we have come to expect.
When audience members applauded executions and shouted "Let him die", no candidates said a thing about it. When you have a Republican leader, such as Andre Bauer, saying "Feed the poor and they'll breed", clearly, that goes against Christian teaching.
Ephesians 6:5 NLT Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
Clearly Jesus approves of slavery, otherwise he wouldn't be saying "be a better slave". This is why many confederates have no problem with slavery. Jesus says nothing against the gays, but the right wing makes gays central to their "hate", for lack of a better way to put it.
Someone once told me that helping the poor was central to the Bible. I believe that.
But how to help is the question.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
Personally I think there are Natures battling inside each of us, RD. That's why it is important to feed Conscience, and work with it. We Each need to be seeing through our own eyes, right? We are alive in a World that rebelled, and is paying it's dues. When you think about it, there is allot wrong here. To borrow from Scripture, Our Force is Not Right.
That said, God First In All Things. That does not mean We always get it right,it does mean that we learn from our mistakes and develop. We don't Surrender In Spirit. It's weird saying this but instead of judging, set an example. Separate the Sin or act from the Sinner. We All stumble.My Philosophy in part, is that we each are of more value than the tangents we create. A constant theme throughout the Old and New Testaments, is Redemption, Reconciliation. For Each, there is a choice.
The Politics of the times of the Prophets, the Cultures were different, the People adapted or lived short lives. The Leaders had arbitrary power over life and death. Christ's mission was Salvation, not Political Science. He was here to redeem Souls, not Run for Office or Abolish Slavery, directly, anyway. I view the Bible as Inspired, it is a Book with hidden meaning by design, Matters to be revealed in their own time. There are pitfalls, there is even misdirection by design. There were Powers that were meant to be thrown off course, off guard, so, that does involve multi levels of understanding. It's a Tool. Let's distinguish between God, The Church, The Things many have claimed to do in His Name, both Rightly and Wrongly. I'm not big on Slavery. I know you aren't. How many slaves did Jesus have? Timothy?
I think Everyday we effect change, both good and bad. We help each other in allot of ways, more so when we try consciously. We do it by example, by what we say and do. We do it when we teach skill, respect for what is just. We effect attitude and motivation, tone, outcome. Purpose driven life? Not Someone Else's, but Each Our Own.
But fat ass Snooty Newtie would weigh less on the Moon.Maybe God wants a colony on the moon.
Did you ever think of that?
Actually, based on simple observation, I think that He would want us to colonize Mars instead of the Moon because the Moon has a greater chance of meteor impacts.
Guess Newt didn't take that into consideration.
Besides...........Mars has atmosphere, the Moon doesn't.
Oh please alinskytes, spare us the cheap analogies. God only knows (no pun intended) what sunk into Barry Hussein's thick skull as he sat through the Rev. Wright's anti-American diatribes for 20 years.