New study shows the Antarctic is warming

[Chris]

Contrary to the findings of previous studies, much of Antarctica has warmed in recent decades — and it has done so substantially, at rates similar to the global average rise in temperature.

Most Antarctic weather stations, with the exception of those at the South Pole and Lake Vostok, lie along the coast of the forbidding continent, says Eric Steig, a climatologist at the University of Washington in Seattle. Although coastal regions, on average, have warmed in recent decades, weather stations at the South Pole and Lake Vostok in the continent’s interior — two data points that represent an area the size of the lower 48 United States — have cooled. “Lacking more data, scientists have presumed that most of the surrounding area was cooling as well,” says Steig.

Now, to assess long-term climate trends for the entire icy continent, Steig and his colleagues blended meteorological data from 42 weather stations available since 1957 with satellite data gathered since 1982.

The researchers report in the Jan. 22 Nature that most of Antarctica, like much of the rest of the world, has substantially warmed in recent decades.

Science News / Antarctica Is Getting Warmer Too

 

[dilloduck]

Contrary to the findings of previous studies, much of Antarctica has warmed in recent decades — and it has done so substantially, at rates similar to the global average rise in temperature.

Most Antarctic weather stations, with the exception of those at the South Pole and Lake Vostok, lie along the coast of the forbidding continent, says Eric Steig, a climatologist at the University of Washington in Seattle. Although coastal regions, on average, have warmed in recent decades, weather stations at the South Pole and Lake Vostok in the continent’s interior — two data points that represent an area the size of the lower 48 United States — have cooled. “Lacking more data, scientists have presumed that most of the surrounding area was cooling as well,” says Steig.

Now, to assess long-term climate trends for the entire icy continent, Steig and his colleagues blended meteorological data from 42 weather stations available since 1957 with satellite data gathered since 1982.

The researchers report in the Jan. 22 Nature that most of Antarctica, like much of the rest of the world, has substantially warmed in recent decades.

Science News / Antarctica Is Getting Warmer Too

It's from Anguille's hot air about smokers.

 

[Chris]

You know someone has lost it when they put a peer reviewed article in the well respected journal Nature in the conspiracy section.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - all dat meltin' water causin' more ice in Antarctic...

Melt may explain Antarctica's sea ice expansion
1 April 2013 - Climate change is expanding Antarctica's sea ice, according to a scientific study in the journal Nature Geoscience.

The paradoxical phenomenon is thought to be caused by relatively cold plumes of fresh water derived from melting beneath the Antarctic ice shelves. This melt water has a relatively low density, so it accumulates in the top layer of the ocean. The cool surface waters then re-freeze more easily during Autumn and Winter. This explains the observed peak in sea ice during these seasons, a team from the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute (KNMI) in De Bilt says in its peer-reviewed paper. Climate scientists have been intrigued by observations that Antarctic sea ice shows a small but statistically significant expansion of about 1.9% per decade since 1985, while sea ice in the Arctic has been shrinking over past decades.

Antarctic sea ice shows a small but significant expansion, in contrast to the trend seen in the Arctic

The researchers from the KNMI suggest the "negative feedback" effect outlined in their study is expected to continue into the future. They tried to reproduce the observed changes in a computer-based climate model. The sea ice expanded during Southern Hemisphere autumn and winter in response to the development of this fresh, cool surface layer, which floated on the denser, warmer salty sea water below. This fresh water is ultimately derived from enhanced melting at the base of the Antarctic ice shelves. "Sea ice around Antarctica is increasing despite the warming global climate," said the study's lead author Richard Bintanja, from the KNMI. "This is caused by melting of the ice sheets from below," he told the Reuters news agency. But there are other plausible explanations for Antarctic sea-ice expansion.

Paul Holland of the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) stuck to his findings last year that a shift in winds linked to climate change was blowing ice away from the coast, allowing exposed water in some areas to freeze and make yet more ice. "The possibility remains that the real increase is the sum of wind-driven and melt water-driven effects, of course. That would be my best guess, with the melt water effect being the smaller of the two," he told the London Science Media Centre. The study in Nature Geoscience also asserts that the cool melt water layer may limit the amount of water sucked from the oceans that falls as snow on Antarctica. Cold air can hold less moisture than warm air.

BBC News - Melt may explain Antarctica's sea ice expansion

 

[Politico]

Good. Nest time I go back I won't freeze my ass off.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Good. Nest time I go back I won't freeze my ass off.

every once and awhile

you see a news article

about global warming scientists

that had to leave the artic because of extreme cold

--LOL

 

[skookerasbil]

This poor fuck Chris.......never seen any other board member get so pwned on authored thread,......invariably within the first page. He then disappears for weeks at a time.


s0n.....dont you get sick and tired of getting publically humiliated on here?

 

[S.J.]

Who cares? I don't live there. And if I did, I'd be glad if it got a little warmer.

 

[Saigon]

Who cares? I don't live there. And if I did, I'd be glad if it got a little warmer.

Comments like this really show what science is up against. It isn't only a battle against ignorance and political extremism, but a battle against indifference.

It's going to be one very dark day in hell when SJ notices that the US just recorded its hottest year ever, and that as a result the amount he pays for water, electricity, insurance and basic foostuffs is rising every year.


Mods - Why is this thread in the conspiracy section?

 

[S.J.]

Who cares? I don't live there. And if I did, I'd be glad if it got a little warmer.

Comments like this really show what science is up against. It isn't only a battle against ignorance and political extremism, but a battle against indifference.

It's going to be one very dark day in hell when SJ notices that the US just recorded its hottest year ever, and that as a result the amount he pays for water, electricity, insurance and basic foostuffs is rising every year.


Mods - Why is this thread in the conspiracy section?

Prices are already rising for basic survival needs, and it's not because of any global warming, it's because of all the fucking liberals.

 

[Saigon]

S.J.

Blaming anything and everything that bothers you in life on some amorphous, faceless group of people must feel very comforting, but it doesn't bring you very close to reality.

The Antarctic is not liberal. It does not respond to hype from politicians.

The only sensible option is to read what experts say is going on in the area, and then try to make sensible choices about what that means and what can or should be done about that, if anything.

Leaving your head stuck in the sand while your country experiences the hottest year on record simply is not smart.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Who cares? I don't live there. And if I did, I'd be glad if it got a little warmer.

Comments like this really show what science is up against. It isn't only a battle against ignorance and political extremism, but a battle against indifference.

It's going to be one very dark day in hell when SJ notices that the US just recorded its hottest year ever, and that as a result the amount he pays for water, electricity, insurance and basic foostuffs is rising every year.


Mods - Why is this thread in the conspiracy section?

Prices are already rising for basic survival needs, and it's not because of any global warming, it's because of all the fucking liberals.

be careful or you will get a neg rep

from this guy

--LOL

what a piece of work

--LOL

that will show ya --LOL

 

[Saigon]

Jon -

I neg repped you for spamming the thread with off-topic nonsense. If you don't like that - try addressing the topic.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Who cares? I don't live there. And if I did, I'd be glad if it got a little warmer.

me too

--LOL

28 Dec 1949 - World "Becoming Warmer"

 

[S.J.]

S.J.

Blaming anything and everything that bothers you in life on some amorphous, faceless group of people must feel very comforting, but it doesn't bring you very close to reality.

The Antarctic is not liberal. It does not respond to hype from politicians.

The only sensible option is to read what experts say is going on in the area, and then try to make sensible choices about what that means and what can or should be done about that, if anything.

Leaving your head stuck in the sand while your country experiences the hottest year on record simply is not smart.

First of all, they're not faceless. Second, IF temperatures are rising, it's not because of anything man is doing, it's nature.

 

[Saigon]

S.J.

Temperatures do not rise by themselves. One thing that every scientist can agree on is that nature does not simply change of its own accord - it changes because something MAKES it change.

At times in the past massive volcanic activity has forced the climate to change, and at the moment almost all scientists agree that human activity is forcing the climate to change. Of course we all have our own opinions about how that works and what effect it might have - but as long as most scientists from right around the world agree, it is worth giving their research a little thought. It's especially worth keeping in mind that most conservative political parties and governments and their research units agree on this - it is by no means a 'liberal' conspiracy.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Jon -

I neg repped you for spamming the thread with off-topic nonsense. If you don't like that - try addressing the topic.

"global warming scientists" being forced off the Artic because

of it being too cold is on topic

however i dont care what you do


--LOL

 

[S.J.]

S.J.

Temperatures do not rise by themselves. One thing that every scientist can agree on is that nature does not simply change of its own accord - it changes because something MAKES it change.

At times in the past massive volcanic activity has forced the climate to change, and at the moment almost all scientists agree that human activity is forcing the climate to change. Of course we all have our own opinions about how that works and what effect it might have - but as long as most scientists from right around the world agree, it is worth giving their research a little thought. It's especially worth keeping in mind that most conservative political parties and governments and their research units agree on this - it is by no means a 'liberal' conspiracy.

The earth doesn't maintain a perfect orbit either. If it gets closer to the sun, it gets hotter. If it gets further away, it gets colder. Nothing we can do about it and we didn't cause it to happen either way.

 

[jon_berzerk]

S.J.

Temperatures do not rise by themselves. One thing that every scientist can agree on is that nature does not simply change of its own accord - it changes because something MAKES it change.

At times in the past massive volcanic activity has forced the climate to change, and at the moment almost all scientists agree that human activity is forcing the climate to change. Of course we all have our own opinions about how that works and what effect it might have - but as long as most scientists from right around the world agree, it is worth giving their research a little thought. It's especially worth keeping in mind that most conservative political parties and governments and their research units agree on this - it is by no means a 'liberal' conspiracy.

The earth doesn't maintain a perfect orbit either. If it gets closer to the sun, it gets hotter. If it gets further away, it gets colder. Nothing we can do about it and we didn't cause it to happen either way.

sun spots and other solar activity add to it as well

 

[S.J.]

S.J.

Temperatures do not rise by themselves. One thing that every scientist can agree on is that nature does not simply change of its own accord - it changes because something MAKES it change.

At times in the past massive volcanic activity has forced the climate to change, and at the moment almost all scientists agree that human activity is forcing the climate to change. Of course we all have our own opinions about how that works and what effect it might have - but as long as most scientists from right around the world agree, it is worth giving their research a little thought. It's especially worth keeping in mind that most conservative political parties and governments and their research units agree on this - it is by no means a 'liberal' conspiracy.

The earth doesn't maintain a perfect orbit either. If it gets closer to the sun, it gets hotter. If it gets further away, it gets colder. Nothing we can do about it and we didn't cause it to happen either way.

sun spots and other solar activity add to it as well

Stop using facts and logic, Jon. It interferes with liberal ideology.