Kevin_Kennedy
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Give a few examples and I'd be glad to refute/debate them. Until then I'll accept the apparently "near" universal truth that Abraham Lincoln is one of the greatest presidents/men to ever live.
- Lincoln's desire to deport all African-Americans out of the country.
Source?
- Lincoln's support of the Corwin Amendment to make slavery permanent and irrevocable.
You must mean James Buchanan's? It passed days into Lincoln's presidency and he neither opposed nor favored it.
- Lincoln's support for an Illinois state law forbidding free blacks from emigrating to the state.
Source; name of law; years; anything? Do you want debate or do you want me to individually have to decode your statements?
- Lincoln's support for high protective tariffs that hurt the south and benefitted the north.
Laws; Links; Anything?
- Lincoln's deportation of an Ohio Congressman for speaking out against him.
This is becoming a broken record. Name of congressman perhaps?
- Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus in the north.
- Lincoln's shutting down of opposition newspapers in the north.
So out of context it gives me stomach pains.
- Lincoln's issuing an arrest warrant for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
- Lincoln's waging a war to suppress the right to self-government.
Oh comon.
All of these facts are so subjective and out of context I would be a fool to post open-ended remarks. I could randomly post general facts as well if you'd like.
1. Abraham Lincoln made the decision to fight to prevent the nation from splitting apart.
2. Abraham Lincoln was an unfaltering commander in chief during the Civil War which preserved the United States as one nation.
3. Abraham Lincoln's foreign policy was successful in preventing other countries from intervening in America's Civil War.
4. Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation which began the process of freedom for America's slaves. The document also allowed black soldiers to fight for the Union.
5. Abraham Lincoln was a strong supporter of the Thirteenth Amendment that formally ended slavery in the United States.
6. Legislation Abraham Lincoln signed into law included the Homestead Act, the Morrill Act, the National Banking Act, and a bill that chartered the first transcontinental railroad.
7. Abraham Lincoln set an example of strong character, leadership, and honesty which succeeding presidents tried to emulate. Barack Obama is the latest to look to Lincoln as a model.
All I had to do was copy and paste. I must be a genius.
These facts are easily looked up, though I didn't really expect you to do any real work. And my facts were not copied and pasted, they were individually written out from the top of my head.
I'll try my best to set this information up in a coherent manner. My bullet points will be in bold.
- Lincoln's desire to deport all African-Americans out of the country.
In the 1850s, colonization was urged by the governor of New York and the legislature of Connecticut. The concept was endorsed by the new Republican Party and was embraced by its first successful presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln.
American Colonization Society
"I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Abraham Lincoln
- Lincoln's support of the Corwin Amendment to make slavery permanent and irrevocable.
"I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution which amendment, however, I have not seen has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid minsconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." - Abraham Lincoln, first Inaugural Address
Abraham Lincoln: First Inaugural Address. U.S. Inaugural Addresses. 1989
- Lincoln's support for an Illinois state law forbidding free blacks from emigrating to the state.
In Springfield, Ill., on July 17, 1858, Lincoln said, "What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." On Sept. 18, 1858, in Charleston, Ill., he said: "I will to the very last stand by the law of this state, which forbids the marrying of white people with Negroes."
Lincoln supported the Illinois Constitution, which prohibited the emigration of black people into the state, and he also supported the Illinois Black Codes, which deprived the small number of free blacks in the state any semblance of citizenship.
Let's put myths to rest
- Lincoln's support for high protective tariffs that hurt the south and benefitted the north.
The tariff under Lincoln was instated with a vigor and was raised to unparalleled heights.3l This economic policy of anti- Southem tariffs and economic exploitation of the South was to be continued for almost eighty years after the war and was only abandoned in the face of the crisis of World War II.
Shattering the Icon of Abraham Lincoln
His support of Henry Clay's American System, which proposed high tariffs, was what won Lincoln so much support in the north in states like Pennsylvania, and no support in the south.
- Lincoln's deportation of an Ohio Congressman for speaking out against him.
His name was Clement Vallandigham.
On 13 Apr. 1863, Maj. Gen. Ambrose E. Burnside, Commmander of the Department Of The Ohio, had issued General Order No. 38, forbidding expression of sympathy for the enemy. On 30 Apr. Vallandigham addressed a large audience in Columbus, made derogatory references to the president and the war effort, then hoped that he would be arrested under Burnside's order, thus gaining popular sympathy. Arrested at his home at 2 a.m., 5 May, by a company of troops, he was taken to Burnside's Cincinnati headquarters, tried by a military court 6-7 May, denied a writ of habeas corpus, and sentenced to 2 years' confinement in a military prison. Following a 19 May cabinet meeting, President Lincoln commuted Vallandigham's sentence to banishment to the Confederacy. On 26 May the Ohioan was taken to Confederates south of Murfreesboro, Tenn., and there entered Southern lines. Outraged at his treatment, by a vote of 411 -11 state Democrats nominated Vallandigham for governor at their 11 June convention.
Clement Laird Vallandigham Biography Page
- Lincoln's shutting down of opposition newspapers in the north.
Shutting down newspapers that are against your administration despite the first amendment can be taken out of context?
Those seem to be the only claims you required further proof towards.