New Group for Bible Believers.

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    I'm still wondering why you're debating in an "announcement" thread. You are aware that there's a forum for religious discussion. If you are one of those folks obsessed with belittling and berating Christianity perhaps you ought to start your own thread in that section and "go to town." I'd certainly visit.

    Every "man" on earth thinks his particular beliefs are the correct beliefs. Why don't you head on over there and show us what you got.
     
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    freedombecki Let's go swimmin'! Supporting Member

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    My little feather ruffler? :lol: :lol: :lol:

    ...'Kay... :D
     
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    freedombecki Let's go swimmin'! Supporting Member

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    Well, the gentleman conceded in favor of the lady Jeremiah. *sigh* That shows a gracious heart and spirit, DS. If you want to know what he thinks, you might knock on the door of the Iron Poet in "Writing" at USMB Hobbies. Very complex individual who puts a lot of heart and soul in his vocabulary. :thup:
     
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    Really? Looking back on this discussion, one might think you had a pretty good handle on at least some of the possible reasons for debating in here.

    My first post in this thread was #30 and was preceded by several argumentative posts, some of which were yours. :doubt:

    That's where I recently engaged and came to respect Jeremiah's attitude in the face of multiple attacks (in the Pentacostal Fire thread [sic]), not that her debating skills or tactics were particularly worthy of respect in that discussion, mind you.

    As with any large group, there are good and bad people in the ranks of Christianity, and my feelings are tempered for the collective sake of the good ones. I haven't spent much time in the Religion and Ethics forum, mainly because my heart isn't in belittling/berating the entire group, no matter how despicable some of its widely agreed upon tenets are in my view. I'd rather get a sense of the person, before deciding which weapon(s) to use against that individual, if any.

    I'm not a proselytizer. It's just that simple.

    If and when I choose to engage in a discussion, regardless of the forum in which it resides, it'll be on my own terms.
     
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    So you're just a troll.
     
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    High praise. Thanks.

    Regarding Jeremiah, at last check, she hasn't posted since the 8th. That's uncharacteristic. I hope all is well for her.
     
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    Don't flatter yourself.

    I've been to college and have more books on apologetics, archaeology and the reliability of the Bible than you do.

    As far as being indoctrinated for centuries, my grandmother was different. She was from the Church of England and decided for me to be like Moses. Moses was put in a basket and put into the Nile. It was the mother of Moses that had the faith and Moses survived and by my grandmother leaving me to God, I learned on my own which means what I believe is mine.

    I'm currently busy for a month but I could care less about your boasts.
     
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    Come on people, both Christian and non Christian alike. Some perspective here.

    This was intended as an announcement thread, yes, and it has served its purpose for that. But religion threads, most especially Christian threads, draw the non believers like magnets. And the place to exclude non believers for a discussion of Christianity unfettered by non-believers is in the special private group, not here.

    The phenomenon of why religion discussions do draw the non believers like magnets has always been an interesting phenomenon to me. Curiosity? Hope? God? What is the magnet? Of course the discussions usually break down into food fights with Christians accusing the non believers and the non believers disrespecting the Christians, but the phenomenon of the fascination is still quite evident.

    I would wish that the non believers had more open minds and did not seem so driven to destroy the faith of believers. I would wish that the Christians would follow the lead of Jesus and lead instead of accuse the non believers. I can't believe many, if any, people have ever come to know and love Jesus by being told they were going to hell.

    Change people's minds? No, we are unlikely to do that through the force of our own words. But if we teach instead of preach, if we love those who accuse us and spitefully use us and abuse us and do not allow them to draw us into combat instead of discussion, we are likely to plant at least a different kind of curiosity. And then God will take it from there. It is not given to us to 'convert' anybody. We are just to arrange the meeting with the One who does do that, and how we arrange that meeting could make the difference in whether one is compelled to seek further or writes us all off as hateful and self-righteous bigots.

    I probably won't participate much, if at all, in the new private group because too many there are not interested in my point of view and/or beliefs and in fact are bothered by them. But I do love Jesus, have committed my life in service to Him, and believe He was God incarnate on Earth and He is very much real now.

    But in this forum, I enjoy a good discussion as much as anybody and will go toe to toe with anybody who also enjoys a good discussion.

    Those that are just here to mock and diss Christians are really boring though.
     
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    Critical analysis, especially when the critical eye is focused inward on one's own belief system, is not a particularly effective means of self-adulation. It is, however, a very effective progenitor of healthy doses of self-doubt and epistemological skepticism, the likes of which are antithetical to strong religious convictions.

    Even if that's true, surrounding oneself with huge stacks of books that only support his or her preset-in-stone beliefs ...is no way to guard against delusion. It's not the size of the book collection that matters so much as its diversity of viewpoints in conjunction with the open-mindedness of the collector/reader.

    And before anyone tries to suggest otherwise, throughout my life (up to and including this very day), I've remained open to the prospects that the God of the Bible actually exists and that some or all of the stories and principles in the scriptures are true. My criticism of the Christian Faith, specifically of the teachings that promote blind acceptance of a number of implausible tenets "on faith" -- not only in the absence of evidence for them but in direct conflict with evidence against them -- applies irrespectively in relation to questions of existence and biblical veracity.

    What I find both amusing and telling, in terms of many Christians' belief systems, is their nearly universal unwillingness to treat all unproven concepts and potentially fictitious entities with the same methodologies and arguments they use in favor of their preferred potentially fictitious entity. Paraphrasing Dawkins, "Christians are some of the most vehemently anti-theistic people alive; I just believe in one less god than they do."

    Not to get too personal here, but you've obviously been *indoctrinated (*that's not necessarily a derogatory term, you know), whether the indoctrination occurred before or after you were "
    to God" by your grandma.

    Well, that's something at least; because I couldn't care less about your misapprehensions of my views.​
     

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